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support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 20

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foolonthehill · 14/04/2013 17:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
minkembra · 03/05/2013 07:12

mrsm good luck collecting your things. wishing you strength to get through a difficult day.

onwards and upwards. this is the first day of the rest of your life. if leaving is like being born then i guess yours is a little earlier than expected but hopefully you will quickly catch up to where you would have been if your plan had gone full term.

really feel for you that his behaviour has forced this crisis but hoping you can get through the next few days.

FairyFi · 03/05/2013 07:47

I'll remember your amazing commitment next time anyone (including me, might moan about NHS). I hope this morning goes quickly for you and will be thinking of you and keep everything crossed for you this afternoon. As I don't think I'll be back either.

Perhaps you will be able to have a good (far better) rest tonight, I hope for you xxxx

MrsMorton · 03/05/2013 07:55

I haven't even brushed my teeth Blush in work now and fortunately toothbrushes aren't in short supply here!!

minkembra · 03/05/2013 08:03

silvery total OT but did you notice in TA they slipped the word entitled in 3 times to last scene with Paul. hope they take time to let this develop slowly though as it does in rl (might increase understanding of the boiled frog effect).

ColinCaterpillar · 03/05/2013 08:45

Thinking of you mrsm

I keep going round in circles. Late yesterday the weird stuff came flooding back and I forced myself to think about how many women he has cheated with. I've always found out bits but never confronted and then it's stopped or he's denied it. It was only a matter of time before one of them stuck. I do find the small hours knowing he is with her hard and that she will be being treat to his Prince Charming side.

However more weird behaviour is coming back and that reminds me of the life I could have had. E.g. Following me when out shopping, trying to make me come off social network sites, telling me to leave a One Direction concert because he didn't want me there (chavvy thing to do to go and watch a shit boyband, not intellectual and I might run off with Harry Styles), never mind that I was taking my niece!

But then I think god no one can replace him and I love him. Circles. I guess I just have to hope the circle gets bigger.

My friend/boss is concerned he will attempt contact again. I don't think he will because last time he had a serious girlfriend he didn't. But my friend thinks the control and stuff has escalated so it might not be that simple. I also think I turned into such a fruit loop that there's no way he would be tempted.

Good job I'm off work today as FW is going there today. He's had some odd ends to sort out which he could have done ages ago, so either he's being so bullyish and FW to go into MY office after what he's done or he's heard the coast is clear of me.

minkembra · 03/05/2013 09:08

Colin you sound like you are getting there. still tough but regaining your balance?
don't worry about replacing him yet. ta theyke time to heal yourself first. i often get a gap when i have just left a r/s were i want to move on straight away to fill the void then gradually being single is ok.

it has its benefits. i can watch whatever cack soap i want. listen to the radio in bed. sleep when i like. eat when i like. see friends.

have some serious me time Colin.
that way it seems more positive than just waiting.

have you thought if the thing you like about yourself today? (i find this really hard to do for myself but i think it is precisely for that reason that i should be doing it iyswim)

i am off to have a lazy gratuitous bath when i should be doing something but buggrit there is always something i should be doing.

ColinCaterpillar · 03/05/2013 09:25

Ok, the thing I'm going to write today...

I like my dress sense. I am quite put together and love pretty dresses. I know that's a bit superficial but I enjoy it.

I also like the effort I put into my friends and family. Thinking about it FW will have honed in on this and wanted a bit of that but at the expense of family and friends and have felt very conflicted about this. So yes I'm free to see people without being distracted or getting told off.

I've been thinking about the light in my world going out. I remembered one of our friends saying to me that I am wonderful and fascinating person but that I lose my sparkle when FW is in the room. It's weird but I feel very alive With him but other people think not. Why do I want him to light up my world than be the person that sparkles for others?

minkembra · 03/05/2013 10:15

Colin Smile Love pretty dresses too. i am not well put together/smart but when i do get it right I feel good. have bought shameful number of therapy dresses lately.

you could also buy yourself a lovely fuck you fw dress with the money he won't be drinking. spring is here. perfect time for dresses.

betterthanever · 03/05/2013 11:09

keep strong mrsm you are very considerate to others glad you are only working the morning, a good compromise.
colin you are doing very well.

ColinCaterpillar · 03/05/2013 11:33

It's such a tough addiction. I keep being tempted to contact him but I haven't. I don't want to give him the satisfaction.

butterflymeadow · 03/05/2013 13:49

Why do I want him to light up my world than be the person that sparkles for others?

minkembra · 03/05/2013 14:10

not sure what to suggest. problem.is there is never any reasonable sanction. if he keeps contacting you what will happen. i suppose there is the carrot of mediation but fw are such fw that they quite like nit to get what they vlsim to want just so they can moan about it. sigh.
does sol have Any suggestions on what might happen if he keepskeeps harassing you?

ColinCaterpillar · 03/05/2013 18:19

I can't believe it's been almost a week. If I hadn't caught him, we'd probably have got back together but he'd still be seeing her too but I wouldnt know. I don't know which I prefer.

TheSilveryPussycat · 03/05/2013 19:28

You are doing well, Colin. It isn't a question of which you'd prefer. You know this is the right path for you, don't you? Brew [hug]

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 03/05/2013 20:00

FW could have a gold medal for persistence and quick mood changes. Tonight I've had (again) "Think of everything we've been through/what we're throwing away/you know I love you."
Pointed out that his actions speak louder than words and nobody who loved someone would treat them with such a lack of respect.
Then he came back with the fact that apparently I've said things to him too. He couldn't disagree that I've never scared or intimidated him though.
Then when he realised he wasn't getting anywhere ( once again) he started telling me I'm going to have it tough once we're divorced, as he won't be doing me any favours ( he did a couple of things to the car when I had a flat/broken wing mirror) and I won't be coming in the house any more.
Well, I'll just pay someone else then and have no problems with not coming in the house.
He seems to have a massive problem with the idea that I am independent and don't need him. He wants me to be this helpless person who needs rescuing, so he can have that control over me. Hard lines FW! That ship has sailed.

ColinCaterpillar · 03/05/2013 20:05

Not really, it's just the path I am on. One of the worst things is that it feels like he will be controlling me for a bit. This happened five years and two years ago and each time I have moved on...he has given me grief for doing that so now still that seems like I can't do that. Even though I can.

I still can't believe he's changed his FB to in a relationship. We never did that!

minkembra · 03/05/2013 21:03

Colin if you are under a very large shadow it takes a while to walk out of it. seems like he casts a large shadow over you.

keep going and don't look back. thinking of it as like quitting smoking or drugs. it is hard but once you are out if you go back you just have to go through te withdrawal again.
the FB status is no doubt for your benefit. he didn't change it when he was with you because he wanted to play the field (sorry). unfriend him on FB. if you were giving up smoking you would not put a pack of cigarettes in plain sight.

ColinCaterpillar · 03/05/2013 21:14

I have not been friends with him on FB for ages as I was sick of obsessing over his new friendships, stalking him on there and mostly, having him stalk me on there. A friend told me after I told them what happened. I'm aware of why he wouldn't change it for me, but it's not something I bother about for myself anyway.

minkembra · 03/05/2013 21:38

might be best to ask your friends nit ti mention him?
i can not talk. i checked out my ex's dating profile (well the one that i found) and read his blog occasionally. just to remind myself that he gives me the boak and that he is a patronising sexist fw.
but I do it much less now thankfully. it was actually my silent thread resolution for the last thread- don't look at ex's blog before the thread ends.

(speaking of which not long now for this one)

new words Bernard has made up today and now uses at every opportunity- tgeg s tgread-although
i am starting to think Bernard speaks patagonian. Grin

if anyone is short of a laugh today check out the what are your embarrassing mistypes thread. i cried laughing.

butterflymeadow · 03/05/2013 21:38

mink, the sanction is that I contact the police and there is no mediation. Sol's view is that mediation requires a level playing field and we don't have that because he is being controlling. I am really hoping he will be reasonable. I am prepared to negotiate, but at the moment, I feel bullied.
And the more threatened I feel, the higher the barriers I am putting up, so it feels counter-productive.
I don't know, it feels never-ending, and I am back to thinking, how did this happen?

ColinCaterpillar · 03/05/2013 21:42

They won't now - it was people who were under the impression we were together and were v confused

I'm reading self help, it's helping

minkembra · 03/05/2013 22:08

butterfly that is good that you can phone police (Grr that you might have to though) i wasn't sure that there was much you could do other then keep asking them politely. as with the mediation thing he will just give the big boohoo hoo she is so mean and won't come to mediation when i am so reasonable. but if the police are involved he cannot really turn that around.

totally get what you/sol mean about level playing field. and am glad there is a real sanction as sometimes it seems the can just do whatever they want.

BreatheandFlyAway · 03/05/2013 23:03

Hi lovely ones,

Colin even if you don't feel it, you are really sounding much stronger in yourself in your recent posts. You're doing so well, I am full of admiration for you. Let yourself sparkle like your rl friend said!

Match yet again I have realised we're married to the same fw Wink I had that EXACT speech about throwing away, blah di blah Hmm

butter keep strong, it sounds like he is (of course) being a very difficult tricksy fw - that's their game plan and method of control. But luckily it's a pretty short sighted one and reason and sense are much more powerful.

mink Fi, pony and everyone, hello! (also 'Allo, 'Allo!)

I've popped into Vixens for last orders, as have had very busy day with dm here, lots of neighbourly visits, school and kid stuff going on. Just needed to sit down with Wine and me Vixens mates Smile

minkembra · 03/05/2013 23:37

Wine cheers breathe. allo.
all quiet on the fw front here. hopefully pick up goes fine tomorrow. he is back to chatty again. will see how long it lasts.

still got bizarre little things welling up. remember ages ago we had the conversation about the boaky tongue thing that it turns out must be in the fw manual. now that i no longer have to feel disloyal about thinking about other guys i remembered that i really have kissed much better kissers.

butterflymeadow · 03/05/2013 23:47

Oh no, please DO not mention tongues. As for better kissers, I have bleached my brain of all things intimate ever. I don't remember.

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