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support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 20

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foolonthehill · 14/04/2013 17:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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BreatheandFlyAway · 04/05/2013 00:00

The Boaky Tongues - another house band for the Vixens Grin? No actually they'd be playing at the Far Side of Fuck!

butterflymeadow · 04/05/2013 00:11

Definitely at the Far Side of Fuck!

minkembra · 04/05/2013 00:31

it is quite a catchy name though.Grin

ColinCaterpillar · 04/05/2013 08:01

FW was really funny about kissing me. I loved it at the start, but he withdrew and acted like it was a treat for me in the end. He only ever wanted pecks on the cheek when we parted, and would point at his cheek. It broke my heart every time.

minkembra · 04/05/2013 08:05

Colin that is exactly what my ex would do. offer his cheek. except in bed when he would do the B T. (sorry butter) and Weirdly it turns out this is all in the manual. (how? where do they go to learn that??)

ColinCaterpillar · 04/05/2013 08:33

What a bunch of weirdos, calculating behaviour like this. I'm still doing lots of reading, though mainly it seems to focus on getting out of the situation. There doesn't seem to be as much on getting over it when you've been discarded.

Also, the more I think, the more I think that him buggering off isn't an isolated incident. He's had flings and they've just run their course before he got caught. I think part of why he is jumping into this so quickly is because he got caught and I'm no longer there. I was begging him back and he could see I was hurt but because I confronted him and 'hurt' him in the only way he can be hurt by humiliating him/calling him out, he is making doubly sure that I am devastated. But maybe he just does love her.

bountyicecream · 04/05/2013 08:34

My FW does not like kissing because of my 'poor oral hygiene'. Shock Obviosuly slightly self consicous I went to the dentist who said my teeth were in great condition and also asked (close) friends whether I have stinky breath. They all say no. I've realised it's another form of control. You are less likely to chat to people if you are worried about your breath. When out for dinner (rarely) with friends I would mentally discount half the menu as it might give me stinky breath. It always 'did' regardless of what I ate. I kept planning to go out for dinner and eat nothing just to see if I got the stinky breath comments then. But never quite managed to follow that through. Grin Now I eat what I like. And the lack of kissing is a positive.

bountyicecream · 04/05/2013 08:38

colin these men are not capable of proper love so he does not love her. He will think he loves her whilst she behaves in a way acceptable to him but he will turn quickly if/when she sees him for who he really is. You sound a lot stronger already. You really do. Keep reading!

betterthanever · 04/05/2013 09:12

butterfly I am going to get the book Lundy recommends to read more on the problems with contact: The Batterer as Parent: Addressing the Impact of Domestic Violence on Family Dynamics (written with Dr. Jay Silverman) Lundy says it focuses on physical abuse but what is says applies to psychological abusive men as well.

ColinCaterpillar · 04/05/2013 09:22

Thanks bounty I certainly don't feel quite as rock bottom as I was. I still am sad he's not coming back; whenever we broke up in the past, I always 'knew' he would be back; but it feels very different this time. I feel sad at the thought of us not having sex again and the fact that he's with someone else right now.

However, I've not been shouted at for one whole week, not been called a victim, not been demanded for money, not had to watch him on the toilet (wouldn't leave me alone in his house so made me accompany him).

TheSilveryPussycat · 04/05/2013 09:30

"not had to watch him on the toilet" Shock Envy

FairyFi · 04/05/2013 10:08

"not had to watch him on the toilet" Shock Envy eeeuurrggghhh

"stinky breath" Shock Sad grrrr....

kissing - massive tongue, entire length straight towards throat - oooo how very sexy... (still makes me wanna vomit)

Good morning beautiful ladies one and all xxx

butterflymeadow · 04/05/2013 10:53

better thanks, I think I will because I was thinking last night I would need to revisit Lundy. It is hard to think it is not just in my head.FW seems to think we just need to communicate better, but I have spent x years trying to communicate, he just does what he wants and if he can't then gets manipulative or angry, though the latter is not expressed by shouting. How are you doing, anyway? Have you managed a couple more relaxing days?

Colin, the more I hear, the happier I am for you that you are not with him. He made you go to the bathroom with him? Do not get back together with him, when he comes crawling back. Just don't. Just remember normal people do NOT expect their partbers to be prisoners while they take a dump. That thought alone should make you steer clear. You are literally able to breathe fresh air, fresh start.

silver yes to stopping kissing. Hated it, partly because it was forced on me, partly because I felt like the household skivvy who did not matter.

Ah well, off to breathe some fresh air and plant some plants.

butterflymeadow · 04/05/2013 10:57

bounty never met you, no idea about your eating habits, but absolutely sure you don't have stinky breath and never did. Eat, speak, be heard!

minkembra · 04/05/2013 11:01

Colin Shock at toilet. you should have run off once while he was busy as it were just to see what he would do.

Yy to not being shouted at. hold on to that. i try to remember that. not been shouted at. not called an idiot. yeah.
sadly still getting told to ask my fucking friends to do [anything i ask x to do].

i did tell the kids today though when they were complaining about their bacon rolls not being just so, that there us to be no.more complaining/shouting/telling me if when I do something for them. a simple thankyou will do.

so used to what used to go on and letting it was over me that i sometimes fail to notice the are copying him.

foolonthehill · 04/05/2013 11:49

in advance of need as I will be out the new thread is set up.

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foolonthehill · 04/05/2013 11:51

sorry that there is still a need.

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foolonthehill · 04/05/2013 11:52

Flowers to you all

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foolonthehill · 04/05/2013 11:53

better the Lundy book is good. but it is much more focussed on the American system than ours.

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ColinCaterpillar · 04/05/2013 12:08

Thanks fool

Do you know it never occurred to me to run off mink. How sad. It's like emerging from a cult.

He did used to shut the door at the crucial moment, and guess what, if nature called for me and he heard me enter the bathroom, i had to run the tap so he couldn't hear because it was vile for me to go!

ColinCaterpillar · 04/05/2013 12:16

I've been enjoying Florence and the Machine today, not listened to the lyrics all these years but in Dog Days...'leave all your love and your longing behind, you can't carry it with you if you want to survive' is my mantra for today.

minkembra · 04/05/2013 12:29

Thanks fool.

Colin i am smiling at you having an anthem. thank goodness it is not just me.

minkembra · 04/05/2013 12:30

and onwards and upwards to the new thread resolutions at the ready.

see you there Brew Thanks

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