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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 20

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foolonthehill · 14/04/2013 17:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
butterflymeadow · 01/05/2013 20:46

mink have to say I was reading your post about giving choices thinking that is what I do with dc2!

minkembra · 01/05/2013 21:16

match butterfly changed from her winter name into her spring one Wink

And Colin yes he was abusive. the push pull of leaving and it is over but you cannot go out and the financial abuse. and probably other things you have suppressed or not realised yet.
Glad you are free of him but don't let your guard down yet. he may try to come back if he thinks he can have his cake and make you pay for it. the are like nits, irritating and bloody hard to get rid of.

I too escaped very easily. ex left without much protest. but i am still dealing with the issues. thought i was getting over it and then a whole raft of new incidents have come back to me. it is a lot to process and you need to build your boundaries.

I also frequently question if he was abusive. he was though. he is. he won't change.

what i am basically saying is there is no time limit on the support on this thread. Come and go as you please of course but don't ever feel you cannot post if you need to.

Above all be kind to yourself.

minkembra · 01/05/2013 21:25

butterfly that is what did it for me. when the dts reached the same level of emotional maturity as ex Grin i realised they would grow out of it and he would not.

I am currently trying not to get to carried away with hoping that the next person i meet will be nice and then convincing myself they are nice because i need them to be nice. that is a lot of nice and a lot of expectation/projection. Rationally i know but underneath i am such optimist. i am missing sex a ridiculous amount at the moment. but firm resolve thinking with the head not the heart and definitely not the vajajay.Wink

NiniLegsInTheAir · 01/05/2013 21:53

Seconding Min's words to you Colin. We are always here Thanks and Brew Smile. I would suggest caution, just because he's gone doesn't mean it's over.

And lol Min, I miss sex terribly too. In the last 2 years (since DD's birth) FW and I have done it 5 times, each of which has been so goddamn awful I'd rather forget it. There are times when, despite it all, I feel like jumping him, which is very confusing. Sometimes it's hard not to thing with your vajajay Grin.

FW didn't respond to my email r.e. childcare and my decision to travel anyway, which made me think. When things are bad and we end up conversing by email/text, he either doesn't respond or uses carefully chosen, non-inflammatory words (that often sound like I'm the controlling one). I have nothing in writing that could point to his abuse. Which worries me a lot. If things get bad, he has lots of instances of me saying in writing 'things will be this way', but I have no proof of my own. It's like he's doing it deliberately, in fact I'm sure he is. Any thoughts?

WinnieFosterTether · 01/05/2013 22:08

I'm so disappointed I missed the visitors (hello Tis) , and the pudding! However I have started online counselling - hurrah! I just couldn't seem to find time for RL counselling between work, ds, etc. Going to counselling was one of my resolutions to help me decide when/how/if I'm going to leave. It may have taken me 4 months longer than I thought it would but I feel it's a small start.

bountyicecream · 01/05/2013 22:17

Well done Winnie. Do you mind sharing where you found the online counselling. And do you have to pay? And yy it's a start. Lots of baby steps make great strides!

nini Do you record his actions in a journal? Because I am sure they also count as 'evidence' of his behaviour. I only have one 'abusive' style email from my Fw out of hundreds. They tend to be very in control just as their nature so won't lash out (e.g. on email) if they know they shouldn't. It shows how messed up they are. ie they could choose to control their behaviour all the time but of course they don't want to - only when it suits them

ColinCaterpillar · 01/05/2013 22:24

Ok pussycat that might help.

I'm not really sure where to start. For me, he has a presence. I love it when he entered the room; the energy changed. He was really spontaneous which could be fun (or not) and made me try new things. He was clever and made me giggle so hard. I was really attracted to him, he was good at sex, turned me on and was massively turned on by me. He knew me so well, understood how I worked for the most part. I just couldn't be near enough to him and couldn't get enough of him.

And now he's gone and someone else gets him. I feel if I'd been better I could have been fine. I should have done more.

butterflymeadow · 01/05/2013 22:26

Nini, you could always sign off every text or email with the phrase 'without prejudice'.
More seriously, you could start by saying that your communication is a genuine attempt to settle a dispute, or a response to an ongoing situation which needs resolved and you suggest x,y,z in the interests of resolving the situation. If you don't hear back, you will assume he agrees. Or because you have not done x, I suggest doing y.
I am not sure how much such things would come to be used though. Do you mean in a divorce?

butterflymeadow · 01/05/2013 22:35

Oh Colin, I have an ex like that. Being with him was transcedent. When the relationship ended, I felt like a light had gone out in my life. In the intervening years, I see him as more human and also, realise from conversations we have since had, that there was nothing more I could have done.

The other side of the coin is everything you posted about before, so maybe the issue is fitting the two images of him together.

Not sure if that is any help. But I agree with the others, post as much and for as long as you wish.

ColinCaterpillar · 01/05/2013 22:38

That's exactly how I feel. He's just everything to me. I've had months and years even without him and they were such empty times

NiniLegsInTheAir · 01/05/2013 22:43

Yeah I guess I do mean in terms of divorce butterfly. It makes me uneasy as I feel thats why he's doing it. That and his 'need' to be seen as the 'good' guy. Ive kept a diary since the age of 11 but not sure I want that seen publicly.

Must go to bed, long few days ahead. Sad. Night all.

butterflymeadow · 01/05/2013 22:49
Sad I don't have an answer. I got married twice since and had dc. It was only with my second marriage to FW that I realised how the threads fitted together and that this ex had been abusive too, in ways i won't go into, although he has since tried to explain some things and I don't think he is a FW. I find it hard to reconcile my two perceptions of him. I don't think I have really worked it out, but I have my own life and I am happy with that, fuckwittery permitting. Time does strange things.
butterflymeadow · 01/05/2013 22:49

nini can you extract from your diary?

butterflymeadow · 01/05/2013 22:51

Sorry my first post there was for colin
Bed for me too!

betterthanever · 01/05/2013 22:58

Hey everyone, thank you so much for well wishes, kitchen utensils the lot!
I didn't think my sol would be the main problem but he was. Brief version because I feel so drained. FW has to re do some indirect contact as court agreed it was in appropriate next hearing will involve cross exam on a statement from me which will have all the back story which is first time court will get all of it. cafcass didnt want to get involved not happy with that. I stood firm. Court were nice to me. Sol trying to bully me and being rude - stood strong. So mixed day really and not much further. Barrister at next hearing could end it could give him what he wants Confused I will not have my DS welfare compromised.

ColinCaterpillar · 01/05/2013 23:13

Well done Better xx

bountyicecream · 01/05/2013 23:24

better I'm glad you've got through it. was thinking of you today. Well done for staying firm and at least the court was nice to you. Why wouldn't cafcass get involved? And do you mean your sol tried to bully you? How was your sol the main problem? That doesn't sound good. Surely he should be on your side. Will it all come down to the barristers decision then? (sorry 50 q's - answer another day when you're less tired)

NiniLegsInTheAir · 01/05/2013 23:24

Glad it went ok better, and very well done on standing firm. [Smile]

I could use diary extracts if needed butterfly. Diary is hidden at work so no chance of him finding it.

Ok now im really going to bed!

MaggieOnTheSofa · 01/05/2013 23:54

Hi everyone, sorry didn't get a chance to come back on last night, this dongle thing is not so good with keeping a connection here...tinterweb is defo on my list of things to get and can't wait to be back on here properly. Thank you all so much for your nice messages xxx I really couldn't have done this without you all and I really mean that x

Due to shite connection have only been able to skim read quickly so sorry for not writing detailed messages to everyone...just a few tonight...

Nini typical FW behaviour re your gig, he just wanted to look the big i am in front of all at xmas when he presented you with this amazing pressie. Arsehole. Keep strong and keep planning and enjoy the gig with your friend! I always used to go to gigs with FW (where it would always end in a row regardless) so I started to pretend to go to the toilet and then pretend I couldn't find him again! I used to go to the bar get myself a large drink and perch myself next to a lovely group of lads and perv at them (tmi!) instead of going back to stand next to FW and be tormented. Have fun! Let the time away give you more strength to return with.

Leclerc Am so angry to hear what has happened with your FW and his sister. What utter utter bollocks bastards. I hope if you are reading this Leclercs exFW you know that you are the lowest of the low but i guess as a FW it is to be expected of you. But as for FW sister...there are no words.....I hope for your sake you don't ever have to live with someone you are frightened to the core of, to wake up every morning not knowing whether that day you will be raped, battered, used as an emotional punchbag, isolated from everyone you love in your life etc etc etc. Because if you do, just remember that is what Leclerc and so many of us here have been living for years. Years of fucking hell whilst everyone else thinks the FW is wonderful. Leclerc is worth a million of you sticking by this evil FW man. You just remember that ok SISTA!!!! (Jerry springer stylie!)

In other news......FW has apparently "broken down" to his dad, alrighty then. He has told his dad there are 2 sides to every story and that no one ever listened to him and that I am keeping kids from him out of spite. God only knows what he has told his dad about me over the years....shit at keeping house, spent all his money yada yada yada. His dad will believe all his lies I know. I couldn't give a hairy shit at the moment to be honest. Still the FWerty lives on hey!

Better go, I think the little mice running in the wheel inside this dongle do-da are going to give up in a minute and kick me off tinterweb!
Waving hello and goodnight to you all....hopefully back soon and thanks again to you all xx

ColinCaterpillar · 02/05/2013 05:39

Help. I am missing him so much I want to contact him. I'm not but aaaaaaargh

ColinCaterpillar · 02/05/2013 05:51

I really won't by the way, I'm scared anyway to do that

thepatioislumpy · 02/05/2013 05:53

Colin don't do it. Is he still listed on your phone under his real name? If so, might I suggest changing his name to something more appropriate? It could be anything from crude (twatface) to purile (hairy bum). A suggestion of mine would be Cock(isnotsolidgold)lodger Grin

It might just help when pulling up his no to text or call. Failing that, sit on your hands.

(((hugs))) (to you to maggie)

thepatioislumpy · 02/05/2013 05:55

To you too. Gah.

ColinCaterpillar · 02/05/2013 05:56

I would change, be better if he did come back

ColinCaterpillar · 02/05/2013 05:56

He's under Fuckwit

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