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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 20

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foolonthehill · 14/04/2013 17:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 02/05/2013 21:05

Wow, MrsM - how gracious of him. Hmm Hopefully he's helped in the long run. Can you stay out until you know he won't be in and then return for what you need? Think he won't call because he's expecting you to return sometime this evening and is in front of the mirror perfecting his gloating face.

MrsMorton · 02/05/2013 21:05

I don't have a car. I cycle everywhere and I don't have my bike so I will have to leave at 0530 to get my train. He doesn't leave til 8. I've just checked into a hotel.

I haven't got anyone I can share this with really. There's so much to think about. No DCs but a dog. He hasn't contacted me. I think I'm gutted about that as well.

I don't know what to do with myself. I juts don't know.

MrsMorton · 02/05/2013 21:06

I'm a wreck. It wasn't supposed to be like this.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 02/05/2013 21:12

What would happen if you went home, but didn't talk? If asked, say you're just back to pack your pags (tomorrow)?

He's put you in an awful position, but you'll get through this.

MrsMorton · 02/05/2013 21:19

He just texted to ask what he's done to deserve this and all I can think of is our hopes and dreams and the good times. Oh this is fucking shit

ColinCaterpillar · 02/05/2013 21:22

What a fucking FW.

ColinCaterpillar · 02/05/2013 21:22

Look after yourself

FairyFi · 02/05/2013 21:32

oh MrsM can you believe the audacity.. he tells you to fuck off, and then when you do doesn't understand what happened???? mmmmm Hmm

Im so sorry. This is the dashing ofyour hopes and dreams. it really is fucking shit, but it was fucking shit when you were in it too right? The good times really aren't worth putting up with/tolerating/existing under the bad times for?

and he has no right to try to turn this on you, like you have done something to HIM! PAH! just gets better doesn't it.

Take your time to think it through, there's no rush, have a long weekend away from him and let him stew, you owe him nothing after that particularly beauty.

I hopeyou get a good rest away from him, and you will kow what you want/need for a happy rest of your life. xxx

MrsMorton · 02/05/2013 21:34

I need a rest. It's so much at once.

ColinCaterpillar · 02/05/2013 21:35

You must be absolutely drained. Take your time xxx

bountyicecream · 02/05/2013 21:36

Is he likely to try to keep the dog? I know that seems the least important thing tonight but I suspect that it might be playing on your mind. Can you not walk back tomorrow to get your bike? Do you still have keys?

butterflymeadow · 02/05/2013 21:39

Get some rest, mrsm, concentrate on getting to work tomorrow and some clothes to get you through the weekend. Seriously, think on who you can call, you don't need to share details, you just need someone to help you with the practical stuff till you get your head together.

MrsMorton · 02/05/2013 21:47

I didn't bring my keys but there are spares in the garden. I don't think he will move them.
Yes, the dog is my friend. He's so wonderfully lovely, it's not really practical for me to have him though because in work such long hours in a clinical environment.

I will have to go to work tomorrow without going home then I'll finish early and go back to get some things. I think that's best.

betterthanever · 02/05/2013 21:51

mrsM stuff work.. wait until after he has gone to work tomorrow and go back and get things. I was always so responsible I just kept going despite everything and it made me ill. I know in some ways you have to keep going but not tomorrow. You will feel better knowing you don't have to worry about going to work tomorrow if you decide that now at least. Well done it has to get worse to get better. But you don't need to make all you plans now. Give yourself that time and space you deserve.

bountyicecream · 02/05/2013 21:52

Well that sounds like a short term plan sorted anyway. Tomorrow you'll be able to think a little straighter and think the next steps.

Is the house his or joint? ie can he actually tell you to f off or could you stand your ground and try to get him out?

(((hugs))) for tomorrow at work. Is there noone you feel able to share with.

bountyicecream · 02/05/2013 21:53

Ignore me. better's plan sounds, well, better.

Take a sick day. Give yourself some time to sort things without him breathing down your neck

minkembra · 02/05/2013 21:56

MrsM this merits a day off sick. It is traumatic. You are entitled to a day off for stress. seriously. if it is hard to go to work don't. phone in sick. have a lie in and nice breakfast in the hotel. pick up your stuff when he is at work and go if that is what you want to do. or else just go back home when he is at work and ignore him (or gaslight himGrin and pretend it never happened and he is mentl for even suggesting it)

be careful though as he will now be thinking you are with OM/(OW? if he thinks you buy them charms)

take care Brew Thanks

minkembra · 02/05/2013 21:57

x post.

MrsMorton · 02/05/2013 21:58

I'm overwhelmed by you all. xxxxx

TheSilveryPussycat · 02/05/2013 22:10

MrsMorton have a lovely bath and a good night's sleep.

My freedom began with a night alone in a hotel. The peace! To just empty your mind...

Sleep in. Ring in sick. Brew [hug]

betterthanever · 02/05/2013 22:29

mink the gaslight him made me smile (a lot). Oh being able to know what they are about and make it make you smile.
At first you want the instant gratification of a reunion and it all feel ok again and make you feel ok again. But you have to think long term.
Being pregnant at the time I just panicked and worked and worked and ran round like a loon and cried and panicked ... oh and did I mention panic. I wish I could talk to myself back then and say let your mind process it through before doing anything, and a nice hotel breakfast sounds a good idea too....I went so thin, I ended up crying in a changing room as I suddenly noticed how blimin ill I looked. I felt so alone and broken and upset and let down and hurt and shocked..... I didn't handle it all that well and I don't always handle my situation now that well but I'm trying and I'm taking great advice from you all, you are wonderful.
How mine has the face to come back 8 years later and claim non of it happened really does astound me... they never give up trying to break you. .. the way I look at it now is that in a couple of months I will be before a judge and I will tell them everything and if they don't believe me I don't care, I know it is true and I will stay true to me and my DS.

mrsm for him to text and ask what he has done says it all to me. My ex can still do that all these years later, not an inch of remorse, they don't care about our feelings only their own, they see themselves as blameless. (pinched from Lundy but not word for word).

butterflymeadow · 02/05/2013 22:59

Ha, was going to come back and say stuff work tomorrow, but others have got there first. You need to make sure you are physically okay, which means sleep and managing stress tomorrow.
All the best, hope you get some rest.

MrsMorton · 03/05/2013 05:58

Sadly I can't stuff work as I have lots of patients who have been waiting weeks to see me. I'm walking to the station now, my head is still banging. I'll finish at 12 though and then probably head back to collect some bits.

Thank you so much ladies, you can't imagine how much this means to me.

butterflymeadow · 03/05/2013 06:47

Okay, well hopefully work will take your mind of things for a few hours. Paracetamol? I am not online today, but hope you get through the work day and also get some of your things. Back for handholding later (((hugs)))

butterflymeadow · 03/05/2013 06:49

Sorry if the paracetamol suggestion sounded flippant, lack of sleep here too. Point is try to look after physical needs too.