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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 20

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foolonthehill · 14/04/2013 17:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
FairyFi · 01/05/2013 00:23

dig in ladies!

I am shocked at teachers tactics, just pure intimidation! This was definitely a tactic of the FW, and he actually told me to do it when I was having real difficulties with a boss; he said I wasn't using my height to belittle and intimidate.

Wanting to say not to be so tough on yourself Charlotte its a long rough process and can't be taken lightly and you are giving it your best shot, hoping against hope that it won't be what you dread it might be.

BreatheandFlyAway · 01/05/2013 00:27

agree with fi re being kind to yourself, charlotte Smile

FairyFi · 01/05/2013 00:28

Grin [grin
Fly

FairyFi · 01/05/2013 00:29

blast..I can't get rid of hunger pangs .. have to leave bed to get something sensible to eat! raid fridge

butterflymeadow · 01/05/2013 00:36

Charlotte, time will tell. I think I should have left earlier, but I don't think I would have been sure. It took a while to work out what was what.

Night all.

BreatheandFlyAway · 01/05/2013 00:36

Grin me too!

BreatheandFlyAway · 01/05/2013 00:37

Night night all. DM here tomorrow so I feel cared for, yay Smile

minkembra · 01/05/2013 09:35

this thread has made me feel somewhat better about my wayward kids Grin

mind you lord knows what would be in a thread of boundaries you did not think you would have to set your FW.

mine would be : please open the curtains in the morning don't tell me to ask 'ask my fucking friends to do it' ?!? (ex's standard response to me asking him to do anything)

NiniLegsInTheAir · 01/05/2013 11:39

Wow where to start. Right now mine would be - Please think of me as an actual person with thoughts, feelings and opinions and let me voice them without fear Sad.

After sleeping on the issue (FW has not broached the subject again, just asked me to make a decision and let him know, so of course put all the onus on me and making it look like I actually HAVE free speech), I've decided to go. It occured to me that my friend's birthday is this weekend and I have a present for her that will be both costly to post and could break in transit. So I'm going to help celebrate her birthday Smile not because I'm a fucking coward with no balls.

I've emailed him to tell him the times of my travel, and told him HE will have to write notes etc for his Dad telling him what to do. I've also told him the reason I'm going is to give friend her present, not to please him. Smile

This is about as ballsy as I get, apparently.

minkembra · 01/05/2013 12:19

nini that sounds like a good solution. and it does mean you get to go and see the gig. it will probably be nice to get a bit of time away with a friendSmile

but yy absolutely to not letting him dump all the dealing with FIL on you. one 'technique' i use sometimes was to say do you want to do x or y. i.e. which of making the tea or giving the kids a bath do you want to so.
if I said can you make bath the kids - why should I, what are you doing? but if you present it more like which of the following jobs which must be done are you going to do.
all backfired a bit when fw read 'talk to your kids etc.' as he found out I had been using techniques for dealing with toddlers on him.

I wonder why?!?

TheSilveryPussycat · 01/05/2013 12:53

I think that is a brilliant solution. Turning it round into an extra positive for you, how disappointing for him Wink

NiniLegsInTheAir · 01/05/2013 13:08

Hah I have tried that technique on him min - backfired when he started doing it me, deliberately and usually when I'd sat down for the first time after hours of rushing around.

Thinking of better today. And everyone else of course.

Now to decide what to wear to this concert...havn't been to a rock one in years, feel too old for it now...

FairyFi · 01/05/2013 13:33

nice one nini go exercise your freedom and free the inner rock chick ;)

I found myself adapting my behaviour again and again to try to get a 'better' result. He was still a FW sadly Sad, and so very much still is.

minkembra · 01/05/2013 13:40

ah nini that would never have happened to me because in order for that to happen ex would actually have had to notice there was something that needed doing. Hmm

his family came round for a dinner between xmas and ny. the day before I said if I am doing all the cooking you will have do some of the cleaning. I can't do both and you can't do you usual trick of leaving early 'to pick them up' and then not reappear for 3 hours. I have written a list, tick off the things you are going to do.

much ranting about this would not be so bad if my house was not such a shithole etc. followed by him screaming (whilst still in his lazy bed), "that's it. just tell the fing cnts to fing f the f off."
I replied, no I am not cancelling this. if you want it cancelled you cancel it. and you can tell them they are a bunch of c
nts while you are it if you want to.
(this was in reference to his 2 dcs and his m- he seriously wanted me to tell his children to fuck the fuck off just so that he would not have to hoover.)

then the next day he got up and cleaned the house.

FairyFi · 01/05/2013 14:04

oh Mink Sad how hard should this have to be? no, not that hard.. xx

ColinCaterpillar · 01/05/2013 17:44

Poor mink

nini have fun

I am posting and I'm not sure I'm in a dangerous territory tbh.

I'm questioning whether ex-FW was abusive, that it was me, I should have stayed with him more. Also wondering if he's different from your FW in the sense that he has gone. Yours are with you. They are for you to escape. I'm away from ex-FW, so I'm safe, right? Especially given my frame of mind when he last saw me. I'm out of it.

butterflymeadow · 01/05/2013 18:41

colin he was financially abusive and controlling. At the very least. He has found someone else who he thinks he can control more. Doesn't mean he was not abusive, just because he has gone.

Great loads of fuckwittery here. I am not dealing with a rational person. Anxiety through the roof. Counsellor said it is here to protect me. Hello anxiety. Just posting quickly. To keep breathing.

ColinCaterpillar · 01/05/2013 18:46

Thankyou sort of Butterfly for making me see I'm not mad. But like you say, he is gone so I am home free now.

butterflymeadow · 01/05/2013 18:50

Not at all, you have the emotional fall out to deal with. But whatever you do, don't blame yourself. He is the FW, not you.

ColinCaterpillar · 01/05/2013 18:51

Yes I know that I need to heal, but obviously not getting anymore EA what with not seeing him again.

TheSilveryPussycat · 01/05/2013 19:02

Colin I am wondering if it would help to just talk about him on here, not picking out stuff that is necessarily abusive, but because sometimes to get over the person you are obsessed with, you feel a need to talk about them with someone. Just thought it might be better to share it all rather than keep it to yourself. Feel free to ignore, or disagree...

FairyFi · 01/05/2013 20:19

your journey to freedom has just started Colin I have been 'out' some considerable time, but still dealing with the FWittery Sad. I hope that you don't ever have to hear from him again, if you do you will likely experience elevated levels of FWittery. The thoughts that you are having are typical of what happens in the after all...

yy Butterfly not rationalise, so important not to try to rationalise, and keep breathing, and putting one step in front of another when you can manage.

take care ladies.xxx

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 01/05/2013 20:27

Nini has FW done the things you asked him to do r.e your night out?
Maggie hope you are not being harrassed by him. I think I'd have the contact visits in a supervised centre for the forseeable if I were you?
Breathe what is the latest situation with you? Is he still haranguing you at home?
Charlotte you sound like I was the previous time I left. I came back because I felt I should give it another go, but the love had long gone.

Latest here: FW has to sort his mortgage out. Cue much bleating about how little cash he will have. I added up his expenses, including all bills and fuel and he'd have about £600 a month to spend on food and anything else he wants. No sympathy from me! Today he asked me if I don't feel sad about it at all. I pointed out all he is missing are my financial contributions and the housework/cooking/laundry being done. Obviously it was denied, but nothing he's said to me suggests it's me personally he can't live without.
He pointed out I will have to be financially independent ( already am!) and won't have anyone to do odd jobs for me ( I will learn or pay someone!) He can't stand the fact that I don't him.

The longer this goes on ( almost 7mths) the stronger I feel.

butterflymeadow · 01/05/2013 20:43

match, thank you for posting that last sentence.

fi, thank you. What I have got is how much he loves me, why have I ended the marriage, followed by an announement of plans which completely disregard my stated wishes and the need to communicate through proper channels. Plus more I won't go into. A rational person might assume that negotiation is helped by compromise. A FW will plough on, regardless, but dress it up with some emotional blackmail.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 01/05/2013 20:46

butterfly, how long ago did you leave? I think you nc, didn't you and I can't work out who you were. I feel like I probably would know your story if I knew who you were.