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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 20

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foolonthehill · 14/04/2013 17:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
ponygirlcurtis · 30/04/2013 23:01

Thanks Nini - he used to specialise in doing it while I was breastfeeding and therefore couldn't get away (and was extra vulnerable), and would sometimes shake things up by poking me hard in the arm at the same time as well. Sad So yes, my steps away from him are only a good thing! Part of me still wants to say that I'm sad because I wish he wasn't a FW, etc, but I'm trying to stop saying that - instead, I'm going to say that he is a FW, and I deserve more, and better, and one day I will find it.

Now get some rest! (I'm talking to you as well, pony my girl...)

night all. xx

ponygirlcurtis · 30/04/2013 23:05

Hang in there Dillie - I think the nice/nasty is definitely par for the course. If he's scaring you, please please consider calling the police, or even just call 101 for some advice (and to let them know that you are leaving an abusive situation and things could get bad). I think this weekend you'll need to be on your guard and ready to bail at any time. But you're so nearly there, it will be great for you and your lovely DD. Take care, stay safe. x

BreatheandFlyAway · 30/04/2013 23:25

pony lovey, that made me shudder in sympathy Sad. They hardly need the tactics taught to them , do they Sad. (((hugs)))

Dillie what pony said - hang on in there and keep your guard up till you're flying free Smile

Tis Smile lovely to have you here, wish it could be more often Sad. I've got an extra powerful garlic press ready specially for certain people you know.... Wink

BreatheandFlyAway · 30/04/2013 23:26

nini sleep well and peacefully Smile

BreatheandFlyAway · 30/04/2013 23:27

maggie enjoy the air bed, gotta be more comfy than that pissing sofa, eh Grin

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 30/04/2013 23:27

Nini, that reminds me of my first Christmas present from FW - a trip round Western Europe - 5 days, 4 countries, to get me travelling as I'd done so little and it is his passion.

Bit surprised by extravagance, but off I went.

Then towards end, and in the days afterwards, lots of grumpiness from him about how anyone else would've offered to contribute towards it - he was actually quite hard up and couldn't really afford to pay for the whole thing. So eventually I got a bill and paid up - probably sub-consciously wondering why I was paying for my own present, but certainly not letting that thought into my conscious mind.

I've felt useless at dealing with money in social situations ever since.

FW.

I so so sympathise with you.

(Have possibly been toasting Maggie's return a little liberally.)

BreatheandFlyAway · 30/04/2013 23:34
minkembra · 30/04/2013 23:36

So many.posts
godspeed dillie

A bientot leclerc

nini gift ambush. what a twunt. i too think some kind of act of god that prevents you going is the way to go. or ask him to pay for your travel and then he may decide himself you cannot go...

Colin i think you are in a lot of pain anguish because of the whole situation and you are attributing that pain to.him not being there when it is probably as much about the damage he has done. sounds like you have an rl shoulder to cry on.
You might as well picture him treating her badly as 'with' her. because that is where it will end up. then picture him old and lonely and drunk because that is where he is going. as the lovely Mr bragg says
^some day boy you will reap what you've sown
you'll catch and cold and be on your own
and you will see that what's wrong with me
is wrong with everyone that you want to play your little games on^

And for you you need a bit of the cowboy junkies
you'll be loved again

Be kind to yourself.

And cheers all Wine

minkembra · 30/04/2013 23:39

breathe i see your garlic press and raise you a potato ricer!!! Grin eyes watering at thought.

FairyFi · 30/04/2013 23:45

haha ! Charlotte sliding under sofa!

oh gawd that 'holiday' doesn't sound so good as the sales patter! Sad and a debt to boot .. FW.

feeling hungry all over again!

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 30/04/2013 23:48

I've been doing my homework in preparation for WA woman's visit next week, by writing a new summary of what exactly I see as the problems in FW's behaviour.

It's the clearest "page of clarity" I've written yet. I shall keep reading and re-reading as the weeks go by, to see if he's really changing or not. (Wtf am I taking all this responsibility for his behaviour on for??)

Unfortunately, it all leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth, wishing I'd not decided to give it another try. And as I'm, regardless, pretending everything's still ok, I feel like I'm now staying for the sake of the children. Which I KNOW is the worst reason to stay together.

Meanwhile, he's talking of jobs overseas. Tempted to encourage him and refuse to accompany him at the last minute... :o

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 30/04/2013 23:49

Mmmmm... Tasty wotsits...

BreatheandFlyAway · 30/04/2013 23:53

charlotte could that be a cunning plan? You could even stage an illness (that's my theme tonight ha ha) so you didn't have to confront (one of my own issues) and then just ... never arrive?

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 30/04/2013 23:57

I do like your illness plan for Nini's situation - seems the perfect get-out.

Would have to play it carefully in my case, in order to keep dcs with me.

BreatheandFlyAway · 30/04/2013 23:59

Yes, very important to get the sequence right and keep dcs with you.

minkembra · 01/05/2013 00:00

Remember charlotte just because you decided to give it another go you don't owe him anything. you can change your mind any time.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 01/05/2013 00:00

Ha! I've been wondering what implement I should be carrying in the kitchen army - now I know: a coupla spoons, just in case they come in useful!

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 01/05/2013 00:02

Is that fair on the dcs, though? I can't keep changing my mind and I've seen how quickly I can be dissuaded atm from something I thought I was entirely set on.

I think I need to sit tight for the moment and build up some strength for the next attack...

Thanks for the support, though - means everything to have people on here believing and accepting me when I feel like a complete fraud myself.

butterflymeadow · 01/05/2013 00:03

pony that is horrible, it made me feel anxious reading it. FW used to block me in spaces, comes too close, do the standing over me thing, and yes, bf makes you especially vulnerable. I had an incident at work where someone closed my office door, stood over it and tried to intimidate me. It is horrible. I would be really surprised if they teach that to teachers.

better just to wish you luck. Fingers crossed.

BreatheandFlyAway · 01/05/2013 00:04

I had excellent counselling and fp today. Am feeling brave. Shock Am thinking of writing email to fw ready to send tomorrow (when dm is arriving for a couple of nights = safe) saying I am sending D petition.

minkembra · 01/05/2013 00:07

charlotte was not meaning you he to change your mind just now. but you can stay knowing that you can change your mind any time

butterflymeadow · 01/05/2013 00:07

Oh goodness, Charlotte, of course you can change your mind. You don't need to stay forever just because you agreed to give it another go. Once you have given it another go, you can, well, go.

It is hard, though, I don't mean to be flippant. Whatever you do, don't leave the country with him.

minkembra · 01/05/2013 00:08

When you are ready. or never if it works out. but just knowing you can do it if you want to and for no other reason than because you want to then it gives you options.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 01/05/2013 00:11

pony, I did mean to comment on that earlier. I think your young teacher 'friend' is hopelessly deluded. His tactics sound aggressive and unpleasant, and are not going to work well with any teenager who's suffering the same sort of treatment at home, I suspect.

I've found from experience back in the days when I taught (rather than sloping around at home wondering when I'll ever make it back to the chalkface), that the best way to "intimidate" the big kids is to have the fortune to have taught them while they were still small, back in their first year or two at secondary school. Then, no matter how much they tower over you now, in their imagination, you're still head and shoulders over them! And if you are calm and rational and firm and reasonable and fair and encouraging... then you probably have a little room in their heart so that they will listen to you, if only for a moment.

Ah, they're not bad, teenagers... Will be good to get back to work, one day!

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 01/05/2013 00:21

Thanks all. I am definitely back to thinking I will most likely need to leave at some point - but must remember that that doesn't mean I am ready to leave yet! I need to wait and watch. Patience is the hardest thing! I want to know NOW - one way or the other!

Night all.