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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - number 19

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/03/2013 20:56

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you're dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change - please don't give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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BreatheandFlyAway · 13/04/2013 00:22

leclerc you have TeddyofDoom, what are you complaining about Wink

mink sorry ha ha I've read about Intermittent Fasting, where you stuff yourself five days a week then go under 500 cals for the other two days.... I wondered if that's why you were fasting... I tried it until lunchtime one day Blush At the other end of spectrum are FnCs - Fish and Chips which I troughed tonight Grin

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/04/2013 00:23

and yes, lots of Grins at yonigirlcurtis ha ha

minkembra · 13/04/2013 00:25

doh breath IF just got it. well I went on low GI/diabetic diet 6/7 about a year ago, then started fasting 1 day so now on a 5/1/1. and I go to 5/2 in the advent and lent. basically I like to eat rubbish once a week and at christams and easter and so I get in a run up before hand. Grin
(anyway it works I am a stone and half lighter and I still get to eat cake, crisps, biscuits, chocolate and bread) but today I could sniff out a biscuit in a steel box buried a foot deep in next doors back garden!

minkembra · 13/04/2013 00:29

F,n,C see the fasting has addled my brain. not getting anything tonight. but I believe with IF unless you go to ADF (alternate Day) you cannot get away with eating rubbish the rest of the time. I only eat rubbish one day a week but boy do I eat rubbish on that day!! to the point it makes my head spinWink mmm fish n chips there is a thought. but the advantage of the low gi diet the rest of the time is you can still have the fishSmile and I eat lots of nuts n cheese etc. just no sugar or startchy carbs.

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minkembra · 13/04/2013 08:17

tisbut he would be so lovely to stroke.
Mind you if he had more hair on his back than on my head you would need to get the curry (sp ?) brush out daily and he would use up all the conditioner.

I used to hair a penchant for the IrishWink and they can be a bit on the hirsuit side. under his clothes i bet T Wogan is like a yeti

I am now very cautiously dipping my tiniest toenail in the internet dating pond hoping it is not full of pond scum. Should it ever get that far i shall remember to check re. back hair ...although how to manage it discreetly before it is too late Grin

minkembra · 13/04/2013 08:40

tisbut he would be so lovely to stroke.
Mind you if he had more hair on his back than on my head you would need to get the curry (sp ?) brush out daily and he would use up all the conditioner.

I used to hair a penchant for the IrishWink and they can be a bit on the hirsuit side. under his clothes i bet T Wogan is like a yeti

I am now very cautiously dipping my tiniest toenail in the internet dating pond hoping it is not full of pond scum. Should it ever get that far i shall remember to check re. back hair ...although how to manage it discreetly before it is too late Grin

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ponygirlcurtis · 13/04/2013 09:55

mink - you made me wheeze with laughter at that thought of old Tel being a yeti underneath! Grin Good luck dipping your toe in online dating - although, that's how I met FW, so keep your wits about you...

Leclerc - not surprised you aren't feeling too buoyant, you must be desperate for DD1 to be back. I remember when we first moved back to Scotland and every 3 weeks DS1 would go off to his dad's for 5 days at a time - he was only 3 so still little. The first few days I enjoyed the peace and freedom but by day 5 I had a fake 'I'm fine, really' smile plastered to my face! I'm much more used to it now, but still miss him when he's gone, of course. Glad you have a busyish day planned to keep you going.

That's a really hard decision to have made re church, but it's obviously what's right for you. There's no harm at all in taking a little break.
Are you going to do something nice with the time tomorrow?

I've booked myself a cheeky wee treatment package today - getting my eyebrows and eyelashes tinted! Been wanting to get it done for ages. Gulp! Hope I don't look like a Wag after it.
(Interesting fact - my friend is credited on t'internet with being the journalist who coined the phrase 'wag'! I know famous people!!!!)

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/04/2013 14:07

Leclerc sorry you are feeling a little down (and I don't mean terry wogan's pelt Wink) take care and well done re decision about church. I'm sure you'll find another that will be more nurturing.

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/04/2013 14:09

Poni-yoni, good luck with the beauty treatments, you deserve some pampering Smile

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/04/2013 14:10

As usual whilst on my phone a post was eaten. I was just saying Mink that I like the sound of your way of eating. Do you have any links or was it your own invention? Thanks!

LemonDrizzled · 13/04/2013 14:16

I'm giggling at you all today. Partly in relief that the mediation is all but over and went well.
Grizzly details for anyone interested (or about to go through mediation):
I met my sol after a flurry of emails from FW wanting a prior look at "the proposal" from my sol. I ignored him. My sol had cast a smokescreen of confusion over the timing, the content and the detail of the session for his own secret reasons. We went in with open minds but with a bottom line (and a top line) to negotiate over. It became clear that FW had not talked at all to his sol (as it would cost money) and was fixating on details that could easily be agreed.
I got all brave and asked for what I wanted and he agreed. Then he suddenly gave away more than he needed to. I'm not sure whether it was because he wants to be seen as very generous or just stupidity. I had to clamp my mouth shut not to point this out and offer it back. I could feel my sol urging me to keep quiet. Then we shook hands and left quickly.
I spent the extra time and cost on enjoying a cup of tea and a gloat with my sol - probably cost about £60! But hooray! I have a fair settlement and a great pension to look forward to. We are drafting the financial court order and it will be cut and dried. I just hope FW doesn't pay to talk to his sol!

Incidentally my sol said he was amazed at how I had increased in confidence and assertiveness and said I should give lessons to his other clients. I blame MN and Anne Dickson's book

FairyFi · 13/04/2013 14:31

luxuriate in the beauty pampers Pony/Yoni Wink

raising a generous cup of Brew to you Lemon a very happy outcome in every sense, but specially the level of confidence Smile

sorry Tis Sad for you about having to look to other churches, it seems that your current one is proving too small for the both of you tho? you will have the support of your new community and be able to leave the other behind you, but the ones that value you and respect your life will not want to lose touch anyway, so you will have more in the long run?

Here, my social secretary (FW) likes to continue to send helpful fucking annoying reminders of his work/life plans (for my benefit, do we think?) not to worry, its all going to the police to add to their harrassment case.

meanwhile, I spend the remainder of my last DC free 24 hours, snuggling [mmmm] in bed, in very good company Wink Wink Wink and luvvin it! [raised brows] ha ha! having dined on incredibly gorgeous selection of far eastern foods, sharing rich, deep, smooth red wine, last night, and rather a 'late night'. oooo yum love to all for last crumbs of the holiday weekend.

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/04/2013 15:26

Woo hoo fairy Grin

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/04/2013 15:28

Lemon fab news for you, I'm so glad SmileSmileSmile

I'm sitting in motorway service station having unsuccessful fought terrible sleepiness in car. So after snack am going to kip in car before resuming road. Am permanently exhausted atm.

LemonDrizzled · 13/04/2013 15:55

Breathe dont sleep too long or they will charge you a fee!

Naughty fairy ! Care to elaborate [nosey face]

I'm baking a lardy cake to celebrate today. never done one before...

FairyFi · 13/04/2013 17:36

he he he! mmmm... v. naughty, but nice...

Good sleep Fly better to do that than drive. All this stress causes excessive exhaustion!

need the recipe for lardy cake Lemon cake lady
yours... [actually very] naughty Fi

MrsMorton · 13/04/2013 17:42

Ooh, lardy cake. My grandma used to do them, haven't heard the term for aaaages.

ponygirlcurtis · 13/04/2013 17:51

Thank you all for the good beauty pampering thoughts - didn't quite go down that way though! On the way there, DS1 tripped on a paving slab and went down really hard, scrapped all his knee and put a big bleeding hole in his elbow! (looked soooooore) So we walked into the salon with him blubbing and limping and needing tissues and towel and all sorts! Then, when I finally got to lie down (ahhhhhhh, the bliss) and revealed how excited I was because I'd never had my eyebrows or eyelashes dyed before, the beautician said 'oh no, we can't do it today then, you need a patch test on your skin of the dye!' Gaaaaah! So precisely 3 minutes lying down time, and I don't know when I'll be able to go back, probably not till next weekend. Arse biscuits.

Lemon that's a great result for you in your mediation. And an even better result to have got there though your own new-found confidence. I'm eyeing that book with interest now... Well done! Wine for you tonight, celebrate, and pass round the cake! [yum]

OOooooooh Fi, you've peaked our interest now! Is there gossip to be spilled? Wink Glad you had a lovely evening, you deserve it too. (I like Naughty Fi, she sounds like a right minx!)

FairyFi · 13/04/2013 17:56

oh double arse biscuits Pony blurggh thats no fun, one brief ahhh, upon lying down does not a pamper make, especially after poor LO trip.

Will PM you the dets!

ponygirlcurtis · 13/04/2013 17:57

Haha MrsM, I actually didn't realise it was an actual type of cake, I assumed Lemon meant she was making a cake that was laden with calories! Heh. Will have to google it now to see what it is.

Just have. Bring on the lardy cake! Grin

bountyicecream · 13/04/2013 18:27

Lemon - that's great re the solicitor. I too would have been sitting on my hands to prevent myself offering something back to be 'fair'. In fact talking to my mum I was saying that I was planning to split the house equity after he'd had the deposit (that he paid with the proceeds from the sale of his house). My mum was like "nooooo you've been married 10 yrs so splitting the equity isn't grabby". She actually said I should ask you lot too. I think she's realised that I listen to you more.

Fi - go girl ;)

Leclerc - maybe a new church would give you a fresh start? No harm in looking.

Pony - anticlimax at the salon. I'm going to get my eyebrows professionally plucked soon they need it as h has always mocked when I've mentioned it before.

I'm still in bed and still lousy :( tanked up on painkillers!

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