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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - number 19

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/03/2013 20:56

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you're dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change - please don't give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
FairyFi · 21/03/2013 22:37

Blush Fool x-posted

foolonthehill · 21/03/2013 22:38

have to do something with my poor demented brain Grin

FairyFi · 21/03/2013 22:46

awww... loadsa sympathies for that Fool .. I recognised the 'can't not stop in front of shop' trait (choc bars, beer, pizzas, beer, chips, beer, can of coke,beer) Grin

the political pull on judges is not good in these circs [grrrr]

((hugs))

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 21/03/2013 23:00

Just quickly marking place after waking from a migraine. Lasted 10hrs. Have read through, but will try and post properly after work tomorrow.

BreatheandFlyAway · 21/03/2013 23:15

Match poor lovey Sad hope head better very soon. xxx

LemonDrizzled · 21/03/2013 23:42

Oh fool what a FW he is! The veneer has slipped pretty quickly hasn't it? His true colours are appearing now. Just carry on behaving with dignity and sweet reason and you will get through.

Have been out drinking gin with girlfriends tonight. I like my friends ...

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TheSilveryPussycat · 22/03/2013 01:56

Still wide awake. You OK?

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TheSilveryPussycat · 22/03/2013 02:03

That is such good news. It seems particularly unfair that FW has distanced you from your church. Remind me, is he the one that's high up in the non-heirarchy?

Am getting ready for a short visit to Ireland with a friend Wink

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TheSilveryPussycat · 22/03/2013 02:20

I am hoping to eat at a nice fish restaurant, and friend has looked up what's going on in terms of music, etc.

You know, it has been quite lonely having many of my friends thinking there were two sides to things, only two or three v v close ones have been told much about it, and they don't understand fully. They probably never will. But my patience, and not slagging FW off have made some pointed and wry comments though seems to have paid off in the long run. People can see for themselves how much happier I am since he went, and my life and friendships seem to be healing nicely - thing with friend is an added bonus, but not part of the healing - perhaps part of the result?

And I'm wondering and hoping that the same process is happening with you.

snowshapes · 22/03/2013 06:45

silver hope you have a lovely time. Your words about healing are positive and helpful, especially to those of us far from there.
tis glad you had a good conversation with your friend. It is awful that your FW can continue to isolate you after the relationship has ended, iyswim.

On a slightly flippant note, apologies, I did not realise that Disney dad was anyything other than a figure of speech, that dads actually do try to buy affection by promising trips to Disneyland. Still, I guess always being fun daddy is a version of that. But anyway trust glad you are getting good advice.

Wishing everyone a good (migraine free, definitely FWittery free) day

kittybiscuits · 22/03/2013 07:09

Hi everyone Smile Thanks for the thread charlotte. So sorry to hear that fool - what an arse x

MrsMorton · 22/03/2013 07:38

It's Friday. Hooray for no work tomorrow but FWittery much more likely over the weekend.

TisILeclerc · 22/03/2013 08:22

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LemonDrizzled · 22/03/2013 10:02

Tis I think you have to believe the truth will out eventually and your FW will show his colours in due course. If your church still supports him then you have to consider whether you and the DC should still be attending. I would expect that with time the silent support will grow and people will quietly affirm like your friend did.

I've been reading Lickencivers thread and it has been triggering a lot of memories I had suppressed of past sexual abuse. I hadn't ever admitted it to myself before. Ouch!

Hugs to all on a cold wet day here. Lucky you getting snow Tis

FairyFi · 22/03/2013 10:08

nodding vigorously about loneliness around friends (only half the story and withdrawn from them a lot) Fool seconding the lovely to hear of healing and new starts, and getting it away every weekend not jealous V. happy for you Fool Smile this [ROFL] Grin ... and always loads on in terms of music!!!

Happy Birthday mini tis (DS1) and Happy Snow Day all

I always took disney dad to be the ever gifting, treats, trips out... of that ilk

Fun dad turns up when its time to take DD hostage to force me to his will. She naturally comes homes extremely late 'had a great time' Confused so why does she feel so desperately anxious overwrought and can't seem to go to sleep til about 1 o/c in the morning, and then I give her day off school to compensate, which is wrong and won't do again

Today Police called re latest insults/threats via email... asked lovely lady pc if she was part of DV team as she understood, and actually told me who was employing the nasty tactics in order to resist me having a tiny bit of control! Oh for people that know the games! I had to explain I felt a 'bit weird' about her telling me to set up contact that worked for me too! She wants more copies/instances of abusive contacts from him to me so she can issue him with a ...and I can't remember the name, but its the precursor to a harrassment order.

Sorry to hear of migraine Match and hope you lots better today? (I had to bring DD home with same yesterday as when the teacher talked to her she couldn't see her face! the tabs that never worked for me (difficult to keep down whilst projectile vomiting, eeuuw, soz), working amazingly well for her, so she's all better and back to school.

hmm Weekend!?!?! such a mixed bag... I hope all those with FWs around that its as FW free as poss, thinking of you all. Me, is normally a time of being shut in whilst everyone else gets on with their family stuff. this w/end out tonight AND tomorrow Grin

FairyFi · 22/03/2013 10:10

Sad Lemon for that painful memory, ouch. We have cold and wet here too.

FairyFi · 22/03/2013 10:18

oh gawd... this: nodding vigorously about loneliness around friends (only half the story and withdrawn from them a lot) Fool seconding the lovely to hear of healing and new starts, and getting it away every weekend not jealous

s'posed to be: ...... around friends (only half the story and withdrawn from them a lot ) Fool seconding the lovely to hear of healing and new starts, and getting it away every weekend not jealous

FairyFi · 22/03/2013 10:19

grrr not jealous

MrsMorton · 22/03/2013 10:21

I've got real butterflies because it's the weekend!! Grrrrr. That's not how it should be.
I didn't achieve my thread resolution in the last one because of all of your drunken antics you dirty stop outs!

Solicitor.

Anyone else got a goal they would like to achieve?

TisILeclerc · 22/03/2013 10:24

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foolonthehill · 22/03/2013 10:37

sadly not me Fi...I am still in fwittery land....silver on the other hand.......is off to the emerald isle with hopes of wining (well Guinessing) dining and................I think my DC would object anyway!"!!!!

FairyFi · 22/03/2013 10:39

Tis huge (((hug))) and just wanted to say again in your support, yep, its him . so far better to cleanse the soul of these things and free them, and in so doing free yourself further. Yay! to being Freeeeeee!