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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - number 19

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/03/2013 20:56

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you're dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change - please don't give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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ponygirlcurtis · 12/04/2013 18:57

I used to have quite the opposite problem with DS1's dad, DS1 would come back from seeing his dad with extra clothes in addition to the ones he had gone with! And it was often stuff I didn't really like childishly refused to like.
TBH, we still have that problem, DS1's room is stuffed with toys and clothes, yet he comes back from every visit with more extra stuff and lots of fiddly tat. Better than the other way round I guess, but just as frustrating sometimes - we just don't have the room. And don't even get me started on the time DS1 came back with an enormous stuffed dragon that was the same size as him...

Def see you all in the Vixens later. Have just nicked a bottle of gin from my holidaying parents' house! Teehee. Wine It's official: I am 14.

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minkembra · 12/04/2013 19:41

Totally OT but dam damn my laptop just died. no explanation. one day gone next day dead.
Just got kids settled in front of film finally got ex's m off the phone was going to do some homework and maybe ahem check.out some online dating sites.

And needless to say it is a whole 3 mo the out of warranty. call me mental but something that costs several hundred pounds ought to last more than a year!!

minkembra · 12/04/2013 19:45

One day fine not gone
See now i am stuck with the gaslighting phone of presumptive text!!

MrsMorton · 12/04/2013 19:55

Complete bombshell tonight, H has been googling vasectomy reversals, he thinks a baby might bring us closer together. I couldn;t stop laughing. I want Children, just not with him. He's being so nice ATM aaaghhh.

mink I would be distraught, I hope you can still stay in touch and don't feel too isolated.

minkembra · 12/04/2013 20:22

Yeah laptop is back from the dead
I believe the problem is called a FIBCAC.

Dillie · 12/04/2013 20:39

Its always the way isn't it mink?

mrsm not sure how yours is but mine is super lovely for a few days to a week and then a complete twunt for the next few days!! Never quiet know were you are! Grin

My dd brought tears to my eyes yesterday. She made a sun catcher at her holiday club. She said this is for you mummy for your birthday as daddy didn't get anything for you. :(

We went to the local farm today and she said we will go to the toy shop so you can get a toy for your birthday.

She is such a good kid. Bless her heart.

ponygirlcurtis · 12/04/2013 21:11

Yup, Leclerc, parents are away, so as they say round here 'EMPTY!!!!!!!' Grin Got a nice contraband G&T on the go. (Although, at a proper 'empty', it'd be special brew and buckie all the way, of course.)

Aw Dillie, that's lovely. She's a keeper. Wink

MrsM - Shock! Glad your response was to laugh though...

tethering · 12/04/2013 21:29

Lol ponygirl I was just about to say 'empty at your's' and then thought maybe no-one else calls it that?! Grin

mink I'm glad the laptop came back to life - seems appropriate at eastertime.

Tis sorry to hear about the issue with the mail. They never fail to surprise with the depths to which they'll sink.

dh (question to self -when will I be able to type FW without feeling guilty?!) is balancing being very nice - 'book a posh hotel for the weekend', 'you're so funny tethered' (laughing at something amusing I had said) with little claims for sympathy 'I'll miss ds when you don't live here' with confirming he wants this to end too (see previous comment).

I've contacted a sol and a resolution sol (I'm hoping not an R sol! as someone said upthread!). Scared, scared, scared of what the future holds but have promised myself and my dsis that I will have moved out by the summer at the latest so ds doesn't have to change schools.

ponygirlcurtis · 12/04/2013 22:14

Teehee tethering - are you of the Scottish persuasion too?

Fair enough him telling you you are funny, but what is the booking a posh hotel all about?

Re calling him FW - it'll happen when you are ready. I called mine NSDH for ages, couldn't bring myself to say FW. But now I have even lapsed into calling him FW to people outwith MN! (Emailed my sister the other day, who is holidaying with aforementioned absent parents - she emailed back saying they were all playing a good game, trying to work out what FW stood for! She obviously is not a MNer then...)

tethering · 12/04/2013 22:38

ponygirl Hotel comment was related to ds wanting to stay in one because his friends were all going on hols for easter. I'm not holding my breath that dh will book it and I'm trying to boost my leaving fund so don't want to have to pay for it (although am trying to balance that with ds being disappointed).

Yes, I'm Scottish but have never drunk Buckfast so don't know if I count as a true Scot Blush although I can drink straight whisky if nothing else is available.

minkembra · 12/04/2013 22:54

buckie is so west coast, ken ;-)
(says she who fell flat on her face drinking t-bird)(not recently!!!)Blush

av no hud an empty fir yonks, min.Grin
surely straight is the only way to drink whisky tethering HmmWink
straight and straight after your porridge where I come from...only without the porridge first.

it's not true it is all a scottish stereotype (well apart from the porridge- the epicentre of porridge eating in the UK is apparently New Patagonia Wales, the Scots eat the least)

BreatheandFlyAway · 12/04/2013 23:21

Ha ha re all the Empty talk. See you at yours, then pony!

I had planned a nice healthy alcohol weekend, leclerc and guess what I'm sitting here with Also had fish and chips, so really doing well on the health front Grin

BreatheandFlyAway · 12/04/2013 23:25
bountyicecream · 12/04/2013 23:39

I'm not well and can't face a Wine .
I should go to bed but I know I'll just end up tossing and turning. I think it's the thought of a whole weekend of upcoming FWery Sad

BreatheandFlyAway · 12/04/2013 23:41

Oh bounty can I offer you a nice Brew and lots of support instead of Wine, lovely?

minkembra · 12/04/2013 23:42

breath Smile

I am fasting today- so probably a bit lightheaded hence the nonsense but tomorrow I am having a bring on rubbish day including the shameful plan to watch a Twilight DVD BlushGrin eating easter eggs and muffins for breakfast.

there was quite a good thing on r4 today about writing doing your feelings to recover from emotional trauma. apparently it is literally good for your health (pardon the pun) mind changers

ponygirlcurtis · 12/04/2013 23:43

Sorry, got waylaid by the yoni thread, hadn't seen it before now, v v funny if you like a good limerick!

Never had either special brew or buckie, I think 13 years in Cambridge has irrevocably tainted my Scottishness!

Mmmmm, want fish and chips now, thanks Breathe! Grin Glad you are feeling good tonight, you deserve it, and more.

bounty sending hugs. You'll get through it. Do as little as you have to and look after yourself.

ponygirlcurtis · 12/04/2013 23:47

Thanks for that link mink (see, am already a poet), that looks really interesting, will listen tomorrow when I have some 'me' time if I do, I mean. I think writing things down is a great way to get them out of your head, like Dumbledore's penseive in Harry Potter. In creative writing circles, a lot of 'serious' writers 'journal' their feelings to marshall them and use them in their writing (or something like that I think).

minkembra · 12/04/2013 23:47

If you have never had buckie, just get a bottle of cough medicine and bottle of very cheap wine and a quarter bottle of vodka, mix the 3, drink from paper bag and it will taste pretty much the same. Wine

BreatheandFlyAway · 12/04/2013 23:50

I had a sudden massive craving for F'n'Cs, to the point where I made the children walk through rain and traffic jams to get them Grin They were fucking delicious!

mink are you IFing?

pony the yoni thread's a riot, I was reading it last night Grin Grin

BreatheandFlyAway · 12/04/2013 23:51

mink the Vixens barmaid is giving you a bit of a stern look Wink

ponygirlcurtis · 13/04/2013 00:01

I have half a mind to NC to Yonigirlcurtis, in tribute! Grin

I think that's me for the night. You ladies behave yourselves now. I'll leave you to lock up.

night all.

minkembra · 13/04/2013 00:05

breath am lost IFing? IFing what Grin what is F'n'C?

and was the stern look for mixing homemade buckie or not drinkingWink

Grin at yonigirlcurtis

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