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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - number 19

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/03/2013 20:56

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you're dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change - please don't give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
minkembra · 11/04/2013 22:19

bounty Grin at mental image of him wallowing in his own crap.

bountyicecream · 11/04/2013 22:23

mink it could literally happen seeing as I am the only one who ever cleans the bathroom. I remember being surprised seeing the bathroom of his bachelor pad when we first started dating. He had lived there 10 years and never once cleaned the bathroom Shock . Apparantly they are self cleaning as you use soap in them Hmm not sure what he thinks comes out his back side Looking back I'm not sure why I didn't run for the hills at this point!

betterthanever · 11/04/2013 22:33

Mink I agree and whilst I know see it, I said to the head today will strangers believe me and see it - she thought yes. he would just say he goes to a boxing gym he is just posing for a photograph or four in there... but we know differently.
bounty yes it is just like the adoptive parents book he has never seen my DS who is almost 8. It did bring flashbacks, it is exactly how he wanted to portray himself.. to me not his DS - as a tough guy.... will SS believe me, do you think I should contact them? There is no one vetting this as it stands and I can't get hold of anyone at cafcass. My sol. described it as `quite unbelievable' but it isn't really a legal matter as I decide if I show it and if not take the risk at the next hearing of looking obstructive.

betterthanever · 11/04/2013 22:35

Oh, yes the head teacher will help - thank goodness, she was so kind and is very experienced in these matters.

bountyicecream · 11/04/2013 22:44

Well I have zero knowledge about this, but if the head teacher and your solicitor are both shocked by it then I would have thought SS would be worth a try and see what they say.

Would the head be willing to back you up if you decided not to show it and say that in her opinion it was not suitable for an 8 year old to see and not giving you son a positive role model.

TheSilveryPussycat · 11/04/2013 22:45

Dillie do you have a solicitor? Read the Resolution site, it will give you some idea of the possibilities of division of stuff. You will both have to do a financial disclosure. If you go the court route on the settlement (separate issue from divorce) then you will both have to supply copies of statements for the last year (among other things). He (and you) can also ask for other relevant stuff (like tenancy agreement - if it is relevant - check with sol) on the Questionnaire, although you will have the opportunity to dispute relevance at First Appointment.

I still have all my paperwork, so if you need any details PM me.

snowshapes · 11/04/2013 22:52

better I think any reasonable person, whether or not they know the background, would say that the image he used is inappropriate as an introduction to an 8 year old and question why it was chosen.

snowshapes · 11/04/2013 22:54

But I agree get professional support. Hope you are okay, it sounds very distressing.

betterthanever · 11/04/2013 23:01

bounty thank you and sometimes I think it is better to have no knowledge you see things clearer. I will ask her would she do that and ring SS tomorrow - thank you all so much as ever.

FairyFi · 11/04/2013 23:26

A bit excited.. only because I managed a small success with my huge DIY efforts yesterday and today! but thats nice Smile

Heart goes to you Tis with DD being away for her 13th.. am presuming she wanted to for her birthday? Its only fair for her to be where she wants, this is the child centred approach, not FW centred of course. Some tight hand-holding from me too.

Dillie mmmm same here re FW and undermining, denegrating, etc... there are lots of 'abstract' things I point out in others behaviours or on telly, to balance and make certain 'devious' behaviours obvious!!! IFKWIM? It does seem to be paying dividends slowly. I have started to hear some instances of FWittery from him to her, and she's getting pretty hacked off with him, but for all that he's still being Disney and 'buying' in the required behaviours/acts from her to impress family/friends/whoever he can and I reckon these manipulations are very successful, but its means nothing to me when these people are people that don't read any more than his offerings _pathetic lies and cover-ups about the real reasons behind drastic changes in dynamics between us all me refusing to speak to anyone

I am just recommending you offer some balance, through comment of others behaviours in fact and fiction around you, so they are not blinkered to the deviants FWtedness!

Night night lovelies xx

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minkembra · 12/04/2013 00:00

Omfg Tis. horses.

BreatheandFlyAway · 12/04/2013 00:01

better that sounds horrific, the image of fists and the horrible flashbacks for you it inevitably brings.

leclerc - what a fw! Anything to buy their affection, eh Sad It's beyond belief. Mine started babbling about getting a dog, which he'd always staunchly opposed Confused

I'm starting FP next week - am a bit nervous! Also starting my six sessions of counselling that I booked to see me safely through the D papers and the rest of it. Expensive but worthwhile for keeping me on track. More debt Sad oh well. No price is too high for freedom.

Sod's law and absolutely typical of my life at the mo is that the counselling and FP start on the same day Shock - bloody hell, might as well book a high intensity spin class that day while I'm at it Hmm!

minkembra · 12/04/2013 00:07

better you could look at it this way- you are being responsible by asking SS. the worst that can happen is they say it isn't a problem. in which case you are no worse off. but they may either say it is an issue in itself or record it to see if it is part of a pattern.

You are doing what you should be doing and thinking of DS.

FairyFi · 12/04/2013 00:25

FW's grrrrr.... horses, smorches, dogs, schmmogs, all schmollox

FairyFi · 12/04/2013 00:28

dog been 'promised' for last 3 or more years! what a turnaround!

the list is endless, and not worth the energy to recount, just to say, many many deep hurts and disappointments with the lack of materialisation of promised, treats, homes, bedroom & furniture (all shopped for and picked out), technology, money is the latest, turns out 'education is has its own reward' and 'will have to chck piggy bank' arsehold FW twunt, not a care about how mch this stuff hurts his own child.

arthriticfingers · 12/04/2013 06:37

Leclerc
At the risk of blowing my own trumpet - I think I predicted 'three race horses' some time ago?
and an elephant ...

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arthriticfingers · 12/04/2013 07:18

leclerc your little girl will be home sooner than you know it

  • all love for her mum intact.
FWs can't touch that - all they can do is try to mess with our brains to make us think they can :(
thatsnotmynamereally · 12/04/2013 08:02

Hi, just a quick note to wish everyone well. Not posting much (as nothing here is changing), but have in-laws visiting for a few days. Shenanigans could be filmed for a DIY video of 'how to be a dysfunctional family'! Sad really... I can see the good intentions but just goes wrong, for example with DD (who's got a uni offer and all my efforts are supporting her to get the grades she needs to confirm her place...) Grandad says 'well the REAL work starts once you get to uni. You have to be really smart to keep up. LOTS of people aren't good enough, they think they can handle it but can't and have to drop out' Shock !!?? DD is staying in her room. Her excuse is 'period cramps' but I'm not going to pass that info on!

Sorry time limited so can't comment much but wanted to say, LOL to ponies and elephants LeClerc. Sorry you had to miss birthday with DD.

Dillie I think house equity amongst everything else should be shared equally... as I'm sure others have confirmed... my FW is the same, thinks as he's put the money in it is 'all his'... we have two ISA accounts in separate names which he thinks is his, he keeps saying what he is going to spend the money on. I keep quiet but there is no way I'm taking mine out Grin

LemonDrizzled · 12/04/2013 08:20

Morning all - glad to see the FW are on form. I see your two horses Tis and raise you four chickens... actually my FW takes the DC on lovely expensive foreign holidays which is great for them and I am very pleased they get to see such lovely places! and not a bit jealous really

thats your poor DD! I'd be sitting on her bed giggling about how out of date DGF is.

Today is the day of my rescheduled mediated meeting to sort out the divorce financial agreement. FW sent an email at 2am asking to see my proposals in advance "to save time in the meeting". He has been sending snippy messages blaming my sol for the delays and lack of response to his queries. I am so glad I insisted on the solicitors as a splendidly expensive buffer between us.

One last push and its over today!!

Happy Friday to you all

TisILeclerc · 12/04/2013 08:22

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arthriticfingers · 12/04/2013 08:30

May the force be with you, Lemon

betterthanever · 12/04/2013 08:41

Good luck lemon, hope you have some nice planned after it.
mink thanks for that line, I will ring them this morning from work and let you all know what they say. Asking head today too. Stay safe and strong. Thinking of you all.

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