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Regale me with hilarious/ridiculous things that a narcissist or enabler has said to you....

979 replies

Herrena · 16/03/2013 12:25

I'll go first.

My DF acts as enabler for my narcissist M, although I doubt he's fully aware of this. We were discussing her and my god-awful childhood yesterday over skype when he dropped in this little gem:

'Well, you were so quiet. You didn't really defend yourself properly.'

Shock What the actual fuck?!

I didn't really process the remark at the time but now I'm bloody fuming.

Go on, tell me yours. Let's laugh at the bastards and then maybe I won't spend the next week dwelling on my wrath

OP posts:
dothraki · 29/03/2013 21:49

Yy to that crushed
WineWineWine[busmile]

Midwife99 · 29/03/2013 21:54

WineWine Indeed!!!

buildingmycorestrength · 29/03/2013 22:27

Obviously I have not had enough wine. Smile

Started a thread on parenting resources I have found useful. Feel like an idiot as no one has commented.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1720096-Parenting-resources-for-those-raised-by-narcissists

Please come and keep me company?

crushedintherush · 29/03/2013 23:00

I'll have a look for it, buildingSmile

dawntigga · 30/03/2013 08:07

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1720096-Parenting-resources-for-those-raised-by-narcissists link

WillGoAndHaveALookTiggaxx

dothraki · 30/03/2013 09:17

Building - I just popped over and had a look. Flowers[busmile]
Welldone. I agree with Crushed's comment about moving it to parenting, I think it might get lost in relationships.

AllThatGlistens · 30/03/2013 15:32

Shellshocked at how badly some parents treat their children. Sad

I'm a 30something reasonably intelligent married mum of 3, and I'm still stunned that its taken me finding mumsnet and quietly reading the boards to have my eyes opened about my DM and the fact that the way she treated me and one of my brothers was awful at times.

Everything is about her, she thrives off drama and being the victim, she's recently gotten back with her abusive partner after me and my brother begging her not to, when we assured her we're always here for her no matter what she ignored us for months and told the rest of my family that I was causing her problems, she invented a row we'd apparently had out of thin air Confused

Our eldest DS is autistic and our toddler DS is currently under assessment too, in the beginning she was adamant there was 'nothing wrong with him, what a load of bull' to now being so devastated and finding it so difficult to cope with what's happening to the boys, and how awful 'her' luck is.

I could go on and on, she told me aged 7/8 that my grandfather had given her money to have me aborted, that she hoped I had boys because 'they're so much more loveable than girls'. Thanks mum.

God I feel sick seeing it in black and white! Thankfully I have a fab DH who is v supportive in me making the decision to go low contact, I'm still reeling from it all I think, random memories keep popping into my head about the way she treated my brother and I, and then the realisation that it was completely fucked up, and often subtly done, is heartbreaking.

I'm so terrified that I could somehow treat my children in a similar way that I find myself analysing everything I do/say with them and cuddling them and telling them how much i love them even more, it's incomprehensible to me that someone would humiliate/domineering over their children the way she did Sad

So incredibly grateful to MM for putting a name/behaviour to it all and unfortunately reading other OPs stories gave me the final push to understand that I never have to accept that behaviour again, it's scary and liberating all at once, so thank you Flowers

crushedintherush · 30/03/2013 15:32

Good afternoon all, hope all the narcs have been on their best behaviour up to now?

Mine hasn't......thought things were too quiet.Sad Sad Sad

Today, my mum text me to say that this Tuesday coming, her and dad are going to Malta for 2 weeks on a last minute deal, she says, as my dads bday is on 14th April, and he will be 75. They fly back on the 16th.

She sent the text late morning, the only day I could have gone shopping early, for the day, to buy him a decent pressie so I could give it to him before they go, or she could have put it in her suitcase so he had a surprise while they are there. Ohhhh no.

Tomorrow is Easter Sunday, not many places open. Monday, dh and I have prior arrangements which I could change, but it's the day before I go back to work and don't want to be spending all day shopping because I'll be flustered for Tuesday, which is going to be extremely busy straight after Easter. Oh and in the same text, she says she has a bug and is in bed with it....hmmmmm.

And guess what: She'll tell everyone afterwards that nobody has bought dad anything for his actual b.day Angry Angry Angry Angry

Xales · 30/03/2013 16:05

I don't think my sister was the golden child.

My mother is fucked up from being treated like the black sheep by her family and my step-father was a vile abuser.

My mother was nasty to my sister because my step-father was nasty to me. Some warped if you are mean to my child I will be mean to yours sort of thought.

My sister was always from first starting school to now aged 40 always in so much trouble all her life that she had most of the family attention in dealing with her being in trouble. So I was quiet and left to my own devices a lot.

My sister just never accepts that she is in anyway responsible for her actions. It is always someone else's fault.

Xales · 30/03/2013 16:05

crushed can you not order something on amazon to be delivered before they go?

crushedintherush · 30/03/2013 16:06

Allthatglistens Thanks

Welcome to our humble abode.Smile

Thank God, too, for MN thats all I can say. I'm sure I can count other posters in when I say I found it to be truly liberating when I realise it isn't 'me'. It isn't 'my fault'. 'There is nothing wrong with me'.

The antithesis of what we were all led to believe for all these years.

So shocking that there are a lot of us, and even worse, a lot of them. And although I've been through it myself, other OP's accounts of abuse never fail to shock me.

As for your concern over the emotional welfare of your children, I think you are a wonderful mum, but if you feel you need to probe further, have a look at the link a couple of posts down, for a thread started by buildingmycorestrength called parenting resources for children brought up by narcissists. Loads of info thereSmile

I don't have kiddywinks myself, but I find I examine my behaviour in case I'm subconsciously narcissisticSad

crushedintherush · 30/03/2013 16:22

xhales-Thanks for the advice.

Tbh, I'd rather see things 'in the flesh' when it comes to gifts IYKWIM (apart from things like DVDs, which are no good because he won't have time to watch them, not with her around).

Would be bothered if it didn't come on time either, especially with it being Easter. I will have a look though. cheers.

FWIW, I was the quiet one and left to my own devices too. Listened to a lot of music in my room. Was pretty invaluable when it came to pop quizzes at one pointGrin

parabelle · 30/03/2013 16:43

DM when dd2 was in special care baby unit after being born at 28 weeks;
'please don't send me any photos of her until she's better and at home, it's too upsetting seeing her with the tubes coming out of her in the incubator'.

Midwife99 · 30/03/2013 16:53

My DM turned up yesterday morning uninvited & knocked on the door, handed me Easter eggs for 2 of my DCs (I have 4 DCs!) & turned around & walked off. In the bag was a 4 page letter telling me why they had treated me the way they had as a child - because I was "SO naughty"! Cheers!!

dothraki · 30/03/2013 17:24

parabelle and midwife [bushock]

crushedintherush · 30/03/2013 17:50

midwife-seems they are 'confusing' the 'naughty' word with a child desperately needing some love and attentionSad Pretty cruel about the Easter eggs, how could they?

It's as if narcs will only be happy if their children/child kept quiet and faced the wall at all times. Seen and not heard. Believe me, you're not alone.

Weird about the letter, though, do you think they've joined MN and 'twigged'?

Parabelle - Yes, its all about them. Not a moments thought about anybody else's feelings. Blinkers on. Self absorbedSad

I could go on, but Casualty starts about 8.45 so better call it quits now.

crushedintherush · 30/03/2013 17:53

parabelle-sorry, thats just awful. A worrying time for you too. I hope your dc is happy and healthy nowThanks

garlicbrunch · 30/03/2013 18:15

Bloody hell, Midwife.

dothraki · 30/03/2013 18:34

Allthatglistens - sorry - that was awful. At least its so good to see its not "just me" and its so cathartic to write it all down.
Well I'm off to the pub tonight so I'll leave these here for you
[busmile]Wine[busmile]Flowers[busmile]Wine[busmile]Flowers[busmile]Wine[busmile]

crushedintherush · 30/03/2013 19:03

dothraki Smile

Have a great night out . I'm staying in, gotta look respectable for my MIL's 70th birthday meal tomorrow. Sober evening it will be... Brew ..ish

Cheers again Wine Wine Wine Wine

parabelle · 30/03/2013 19:23

Oh thank you for the flowers crushedintherush, she's fine, a very cheeky five year old.

crushedintherush · 30/03/2013 19:37

parabelle - lol, a belated bunch of flowers thenGrin

She sounds lovely x

tb · 30/03/2013 21:29

Crushed I've been and had a look, but don't think I can add anything.

In fact, I think I'm probably a really crap parent, I just don't know.

In the past, I've had dd pinned up against up a wall, screaming at her Sad

She'd 15, since she was about 2 or 3, she's absolutely refused to cooperate with anything reasonable, agreed to something and then not complied with the agreement. When she was 5 she dialled 999 when she was told it was bedtime, the next time, she ripped dh's glasses off and bent them so much she almost broke them. She knows that his eyes are his weak point - his prescription is -9, and he has inoperable catatacts in both eyes due to steroids for an autoimmune disease. 2 years ago she broke my leg.

5 years ago we were at the end of our tether, and she went to hospital as she was too anxious to go to school. While waiting for temporary respite care to kick in to give us a break, she attacked dh while threatening to kill him, and covered him with felt tip she'd left on the worktop next to the knife block. Thankfully that was empty at the time. Dh was told by the ambulance that he was unfit to drive his blood pressure was so high, but he got no treatment at the hospital, it was centred on dd.

About 3 years ago, we had to call out a gp when she barricaded herself in her room 'to cut herself'. The gp asked us who was caring for us - the answer then as now is no-one. She's seen by the equivalent of camhs, but her last appointment was June. She refuses to discuss her feelings, and they don't press her.

Apparently, as we are allowed to take alcohol from the cupboard in the dining-room, so is she. She also had the right to overspend on her mobile every month, be taken out by the final year students to bars and drink alcohol when she doesn't have lessons, smoke - if we stop her smoking we're forcing her to cut herself.

I'm sick beyone tiredness of being threatened and her screaming at me that I'm a fucking bitch, of her behaviour being so extreme that we're on eggshells all week worrying what mood she'll be in at the weekend. She's said recently that she thinks she needs to go to hospital again, but called me a fucking bitch this morning when I woke her up so that she could go to the doctor - she'd said last night she wanted to go.

I'm starting to almost dream of driving the car into a bridge - I can't take an overdose as I've tried that and failed.

When she was about 7 I flipped one night after 4 years of her screaming at me that I was stupid, so wrenched a certificate off the wall, and threw it down the stairs asking her how I'd got that if I were so stupid.

I'm just so sick and tired of being the meat in the sandwich, abused by a narc mother, and now I've had 13 years of relentless manipulative abuse from my own dd.

About 2 months ago, she told me with a sneer that she couldn't 'tickle' me anymore - I'd been telling her for 13 years that it hurt, and had just had my gall-bladder removed. So, obviously, she'd known that it hurt, and was just continuing. Over half-term she'd told me while threatening to tickle me, that she could hurt me if she wanted to.

I just want to run and run and run.......

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 30/03/2013 21:35

{{{hugs}} and huge sympathy for you, tb. I wish I could say something to help, but hopefully knowing you have somewhere to come and vent, and get some support, will help. So Sad for you.

tb · 30/03/2013 22:10

Thanks SDTG - it just so of all spilled out somehow. It's nearly split dh and I up - and that's after nearly 38 years together. Also, he's just hit the age when his df, gp and an uncle died, which doesn't help his blood pressure. We just feel that, sooner or later, the strain of it all is going to kill us both.

So, what my 'd'm didn't manage, dd'll finish.

If I sit opposite dh at the table, I'm in 'her' place and apparently 'I know she always sits there', so I do in the week when she's at school (weekly boarder) but can't at weekends. She refuses to eat with us, but suddenly decides to come into the kitchen and shoves me into the table to get to the fridge.

It's highly likely that she's got pda - pathological demand avoidance. We've just had her school report - 'catastrophic' was the word. She's below average in every subject, sits at the back laughing and joking with her friends - that's the reason she goes to school - to be with her friends. She's gone on and on about being at 'the best art school' in France, but doesn't seem to want to stay as she hasn't worked enough. To be fair, she's been worried about failing since the Proviseur mentioned that not all in her year could pass into the next year.

Otoh, she just doesn't seem to care - she knows that if she repeats the year we won't get grants - this year they came to nearly ?500 - her books cost ?220 and her art materials were another ?300. Add to which, every time she misses the train it's a 150-mile trip - thankfully there aren't any tolls on the motorway. Tuesday, she has to be at school at 8.20am for her first lesson, and I'd bet money on her missing the train, possibly on purpose. Either that, or being so stressed she'll refuse to go unless she's taken.

That's how she ended being admitted to hospital in 2009.

If I tell her off for rudeness in front of her friends, she'll tell me I'm being a complete bitch, but she always acts up when they are there. We get shut out of the kitchen while she lets her friends ruin professional-quality pans that we can't afford to replace. Last time she sneered at me 'isn't it time to take one of your tablets mother dear?'. One of the local gendarmes - angrily hopping from one foot to another on the landing while she delayed dressing as she didn't want to go to hospital - told me that if she were his, he'd give her a 'claque'. I've almost tried once or twice - but I get hit twice as hard - at least. I'd like to see him or any of his colleagues try - she'd put them in hospital.

Imagine a foul-mouthed, 5'7" 3-year old on steroids, that weighs about 16stone, and who feels absolutely no remorse, with no brakes and you get the picture.

I'm knackered - I need to do some practice for a lesson on Weds, but am too frightened to use the piano at weekends because of the verbal/physical violence that can result. At this rate, I'm going to get kicked out of the music school I'm at - it was a favour to take me on as a pupil, at all.

One of her favourite phrases when she was 3 was "the deal is", and we knew we were going to get screwed. Stupidly, we laughed - that stopped a long time ago. With her having cousins in their 40s, and no family support, and being our first, we didn't realise she was so out of line with 'ordinary' 3 year olds. She behaves as if she is the adult in charge, and we are her children with no entitlement to anything. It's the manipulation that gets me - especially when she gives us 'dutiful daughter' kisses in front of her French friends' parents. Grrrr.

Must go to bed - I've got the joy of taking her to church tomorrow - it's a 2-hour drive. When I said that what I'd have like to do on Mothering Sunday was to go to church, she told me I was a fucking bitch, and stormed off, so I didn't get to go. This is apparently her way of saying sorry for that - or keeping the light she got in her bedroom, but will be on pins in case she does something deliberate to show me up as she knows it's important - like texting all through the service - not getting ready so that I get there late. [wrenches out what's left of increasingly-white hair in anticipation]

In hospital, she wrote the ladies who brought her lunch loving notes, while screaming at me to "va te faire enculer" - sort of means go and get fucked - but up the arse. She was just 12 then, and has become quite a lot nastier.