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Regale me with hilarious/ridiculous things that a narcissist or enabler has said to you....

979 replies

Herrena · 16/03/2013 12:25

I'll go first.

My DF acts as enabler for my narcissist M, although I doubt he's fully aware of this. We were discussing her and my god-awful childhood yesterday over skype when he dropped in this little gem:

'Well, you were so quiet. You didn't really defend yourself properly.'

Shock What the actual fuck?!

I didn't really process the remark at the time but now I'm bloody fuming.

Go on, tell me yours. Let's laugh at the bastards and then maybe I won't spend the next week dwelling on my wrath

OP posts:
dothraki · 31/03/2013 00:33

tb [bushock] - that is so hard. At this exact moment (i.e. just got home from the pub) I can't say anything helpful.
I will come back tomorrow - and hopefully be able to be helpful.

vanquish · 31/03/2013 10:01

one of many comments :
dm to me when I said something she thought challenged her:
"that's the thing with you, you are all the worse bits of your father"

TheOneWithTheHair · 31/03/2013 10:15

Tb :(.

I wish I had some advice. I'll send {{{hugs}}} instead. Glad you've found somewhere to vent.

vanquish · 31/03/2013 10:20

random I know but doesn't it feel good to get it off your chest !

when I hadn't phoned dm for 3 days.....(not exactly a long time) she asked...

"why don't you just fuck off?"

My therapist asked me "and what was your response ?"
I said I didn't want to make the situation any worse or awkward so didn't say anything, just tried to be nice, butter her up and get off the phone with minimal drama.

Therapist then said "How can it actually get any worse than your mother telling you to fuck off ?"

Sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees, this really changed my perspective. Unchallenged it couldn't get any better, it would remain the same but I have been able to change the dynamics of my relationship now. I don't let dm get away with cutting statements and actions anymore, but
I still don't bloody like her though !

Midwife99 · 31/03/2013 10:40

tb I totally sympathise. I was am in the same position. My DS2 was similar - not quite as relentlessly abusive as your DD towards me but drugs/theft/crime/the threat of violence ever present. Added to that narc parents as above. In the end when DS2 was 16 & had stolen my car, beaten me up & was selling drugs from the house we told the police & SS we could no longer cope with him. We have other small children (DD4 was only 1 at the time) & they were at risk. He went into various forms of SS care but was repeatedly evicted for drugs & criminal behaviour & is currently in prison for the 4th time. I have had to detach from both him & my narc parents for my own mental health & the good of my other children. Sad

AllThatGlistens · 31/03/2013 10:55

Thanks all for the welcome, it is reassuring to know I'm not the only one, and that is awful! Hope you know what I mean Grin

It's in the back of my mind that I'll hear from her in some way today, either by her coming here to drop off the DCs Easter eggs or sending my teenage younger brother around. She isn't really bothered with me at all, but has to be seen to be the generous nan, always doting on the DCs, does so much for them blah blah..

Bit rich coming from the woman who has never allowed the older two to go to her house (she lives around the corner!) together for a visit because they're noisy.. actually they're 9 and almost 7 and are genuinely v well behaved kids!

My older brother and I were constantly with other relatives as children, I'd be with my nan for the weekend and my DB would go to my paternal grandfather for the weekend; and yet she's never let my DCs go to her house for a sleepover because "she just doesn't do all that thing now, she's had her kids, it's her time to enjoy life now" Sad

I don't want or need her for childcare, I'd just like the DCs to have had the lovely memories I had of staying with my Nan, going for fish and chips and staying up to watch a film on a Saturday night, but it'll never happen, my DS1 is 9 and has never had that!

Anyway, I digress, I just wanted to comment really on how warm, caring and dignified you all come across in your posts, after having to cope with some truly awful situations, without being soppy it really does fill me with admiration!

Just waiting for DH to come back from town and we're going to curl up with the DCs with a film and Easter eggs, hope you all have a lovely Bank Holiday Flowers

dothraki · 31/03/2013 12:20

Allthatglistens Flowers
Happy Easter to you all [busmile]Flowers
Now [buangry] I just don't % believe it (wow -didn't swear as it is Easter Sunday !)
Narckys dh has just sent a happy easter text. Well obviously she wouldn't. i've just deleted it.
I am angry because I never got my say. I never told her and her dh how angry her actions made me feel.
When we went nc I wrote her a very long letter explaining what she had said that had hurt me and dh.
That week her and her dh actually had a real problem. So I never sent it. 6 months later the anger is welling up. I think I might re-write the letter. I don't know if I should send it or burn it.
How dare they ?
and breathe
Right - I'm going to have a relaxing bath, then make a big Easter dinner. I'm doing roast lamb, and we've got chocolate fudge cake - with cream for pudding [busmile]
I hope you all have a narc free day [busmile] Flowers x

springyhippychick · 31/03/2013 13:34

tb, midwife, and anyone else going through hell with erm difficult kids.

My story is so complicated (is it possible to be positively surrounded by narcs???) but my daughter appears to be certainly one villain of the piece re losing my kids. Aided and abetted by countless narcs far and wide in my family and her father's family.

I've said before that having erm difficult kids seems to be generally unmentionable. You're going through more hell than you feel you can bear yet in our parenting-obsessed culture it is deemed that we and our parenting must be at fault, so there's very little support. As my daughter's father was a seamless narc, the fault definitely doesn't lie at his charming (and dead = saint) feet. So it must be me, apparently. That is, all that I am, all that I've done, all that I've said - all that I represent, more like ie a convenient hook. There are so many lies and distortions that it is impossible to get to the bottom of even one of them.

Tough day today. Family day. (I'm not being a drip, it just is a bad day). My kids are at my sister's. My mother blithely informed me on thursday 'Yes your sister's husband picked up your children from the station this morning' (at least she recognises that my children are, actually, my children. During her long accounts of the fabulous time my kids have at my sister's I've wondered if my mother, in her 80s, has dementia and has forgotten they're my kids). They've arrived for easter celebrations, no doubt, staying not 2 miles from my house ie the home they grew up in. I didn't know they'd be coming and I doubt very much if I will see or hear from them.

Sorry to go on. It's a fucking hard day today.

flippinada · 31/03/2013 13:34

tb and midwife you have my utmost sympathies, I can't imagine what it must be like having to deal with that.

When I was a teen my mum complained about how awkward and difficult I was...I was very unhappy for a variety of reasons (see upthread) but the worst things I did were get drunk, argue, and shut myself in my room which I think is fairly typical teen stuff.

flippinada · 31/03/2013 13:37

Sorry springy that must be so tough for you.

YesThisReallyIsTrue · 31/03/2013 14:16

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springyhippychick · 31/03/2013 14:21

Really Yes? There's a place or feeling sorry for yourself (as evidenced by my post above). Sometimes it's appropriate. It's not exactly attractive but so what? You have to do what's right for you, even if it's a passing phase.

Personally, I feel much more sorry for you than for your mum. I don't feel at all sorry for your mum, actually. Just saying.

CaptChaos · 31/03/2013 14:47

Tb I also sympathise. DS1 was a very 'difficult' child for me to cope with. He constantly ran away in shops, hit me, spat at me, run away from home, destroyed everything he had, cut his clothes up, broke things around the house. It started when he was about 5, I understand why he started, my DVEx was still living with us, and he saw this kind of stuff every day and DS2 was born around this time. I quite literally begged SS for help for him, someone to talk to to help him with his feelings, they weren't interested, I was 'coping' so they walked away. Even when he tried to kill his brother, I coped, they walked away. I can remember literally having to sit on him to stop him lashing out at people, it was horrible, I read about people having experienced PA as children and wonder if that's what I did to him. I have no child rearing map to read from at all, I was ignored or ridiculed, punched or locked out, I had no idea what a 'normal' parent did in these situations, and SS just didn't want to know.

Fast forward to me having a breakdown, DS1 (also my mother's golden child) is so angry about everything that he just screams and shouts at me all the time. My CPN decides that I need to go into hospital for a while in order to get myself sorted. Mother refuses to look after both boys because DS2 is 'too much trouble' so they both ended up in foster care. They were there a couple of months, while a SW decided what she wanted to do about it all, as DS1 was just as violent at the placement. In the end, she promised me that a care package would be in place and they came home. No care package was offered, she closed the case without informing me, I called her when he attacked me again and she told me that unless I called the Police she would do nothing to help. The next time he attacked me, I called the Police and he was arrested. She called me an hour later and told me she was bringing him home, I refused to have him home without a care package in place, she called me a bitch and a bloody awful mother! He was assaulted by one of his foster carers and his SW told me it was my fault as I wouldn't have him back without a care package in place, so she went behind my back and arranged for him to live with his DV father!

It turned out that the SW had been talking to my mother the whole time, and my mother had a willing listener to her litany of 'why Chaos is a bitch'. From the day that DS1 started living with his father, my mother had NOTHING to do with DS2. She tells everyone that I was never there for DS1, that I abandoned him. This has hurt every time she says it. She has grudgingly admitted that I was right in what I did after she called the Police about him screaming at her and punching her, but now that episode is forgotten, it doesn't fit in with her golden child image of him at all.

DS1 and I have a good relationship now, he calls me and includes me in his life, much to the chagrin of his father, who did everything he could to cut me out of it. He has grown into a lovely young man, which of course is all because of his father and my mother, nothing to do with me.

Maybe I am the crap parent I am painted as being, I know I doubt every single decision I make as a parent now, the same way as I doubt almost every decision I make anyway. I went to parenting classes, the facilitator asked what our parents would have done in a given situation, so I answered honestly, she never asked me again, I felt like a pariah.

Sorry, rambling again.

HerrenaHandbasket · 31/03/2013 16:00

tb, that is awful Shock

springy sorry that today is a hard one :(

crushedintherush · 31/03/2013 18:36

tb, I wish I knew the right words to say. I have seen, and heard of, families where no matter how loving or supportive the parents have been, the child just goes off the rails completely. It definitely isn't you. I'm sure you know that. At least I hope you know that. You are NOT a crap parent.

springy: sorry you are having a hard day. My mum (narc) has control over my dsis's children. My dsis's children don't speak to their mum. She is estranged from the family. My mum dotes on my nieces, and as lovely as they are, they think the sun shines out of my mum's a*.

allthatglistens: yeah, has to be seen to be the generous nan. Like I just said, my nieces think the sun shines out of my mums a*. My mum has never doted/shown any generosity to her own children (us), so they cannot understand why I'm just so bitter sometimes.

crushedintherush · 31/03/2013 18:47

dothraki: yes, rewrite the letter. Read it, then destroy it, or keep it in a safe place so you can re-read it at a later date. Don't send it, it could be used against you to make you look twisted. It isn't worth it. Hope you enjoyed your bath and roast dinner:)

Vanquish, yeah, why is it that we try to minimalise the drama, to use your words, and back down just after the abuse? I agree you cannot see the woods from the trees.
As far as not liking her, why should you? If my mum wasn't my mum, I wouldn't speak to her. I don't really like speaking to her anyway, because I get so angry....:(

crushedintherush · 31/03/2013 19:15

Sorry, all, by the way. Would have replied a lot earlier if it wasn't for 2 things.

Firstly, it was my dear MIL's 70th birthday so have been out to celebrate.

Secondly, (as she doesn't deserve to be the first mentioned), I have NOT had a narc free day. Angry is not the word:(.

Yesterday I posted about mum sending me a text about her and dad going away at the last minute. The text was sent at a time when it was too late to get him something nice for his birthday. We eventually settled on euros for his present as he likes to go shopping while abroad.
I sent her a text very politely ticking her off for telling me too late, and she complained about having a nasty bug, just to get herself off the hook.
I sent a text to say I was coming to see dad today to give him his card and euros before they went away, and she said fine. I went down, dad in garage so I said hello to him, then went into the house.

She wasn't downstairs so I reasoned she must be in bed. She was on the phone, looked and sounded fine, fully clothed. No bug in sight. I made a noise, in case she hadn't heard me. She hesitated, turned round, looked at me. Then carried on with the 'conversation'. In fact, she relaxed her elbow on the windowsill like she planned to be there on the phone the whole while, like I was invisible. The weird thing is, there didn't seem to be a two way conversation going on. I couldn't hear anyone talking on the other end of the phone,just her conversation. About my cousins children. Who live in Ireland. Who she only ever spoke about to my auntie who sadly passed away a few years ago, and it wouldn't have been to my uncle because she hated him.

There was no way I was going to wait. She knew we were on our way to see MIL and couldn't stay long. I gave my dad a kiss goodbye and went.
She hasn't texted since. Grrr. So angry. And angry at myself for checking to see if she had texted to apologise at least. But oh no. Why would she? I should know better :(. So now they will be away for 2 weeks, she is obviously going to 'let me stew over it'.

Sorry, rant over.

dothraki · 31/03/2013 19:42

Thanks crushed. Sorry your mum spoilt your day. I will write the letter tomorrow - I won't send it.

crushedintherush · 31/03/2013 19:43

Update: I've rang to tell her about the euros in his birthday card, so they do not get misplaced, and because I'm not letting her think I'm going to be 'stewing' for 2 weeks. I feel better now, and she seems happy we've sorted it ... unless she thinks she has won, of course.

Right, now where are those hot cross buns??

crushedintherush · 31/03/2013 20:10

Dothraki- hope you feel better after writing it:)

I once tried to write about my childhood, you know, like a book, and found I had writers block. I just couldn't do it. Had loads of examples in my head, but couldn't apply it on paper. Not sure if it was because it was seeing the truth in black and white. God only knows :(

I've found this thread cathartic yet extremely painful, despite the jokey bits.
So sad for all of us on this post. We all deserve no less than to be loved by our family, and have been cheated in different ways:(

buildingmycorestrength · 31/03/2013 20:21

Just in case anyone hasn't read, I highly recommend 'Games People Play' by, Eric Berne, I think.

Short, readable, and gave me an entirely new perspective. The relevant question is not 'why do they do it?', but 'what do they hope to get out of these different specific situations they manufacture, and how can I avoid playing the game or letting them win?'

Helpful for lots of reasons but particularly with people like these.

crushedintherush · 31/03/2013 20:45

Thanks building :)

springyhippychick · 31/03/2013 21:13

crap day got crapper. I was due to meet a friend who blew me off at the last minute with a blatant lie. This is not usual and it came on a bad day.

I go to CoDA (Codependents Anonymous) and that helps me a lot to face my disordered way of relating and to move forward, eventually without blame (though I'm not there yet). It's something to aim for at least ie acceptance that they fuck up because they were fucked up etc. We have a great deal more knowledge of healthy relating than our parents did.

(Not sure where that leaves my kids but there we go!)

And that's not to say that we don't need extensive support to work on our demons as a result of the hand we were dealt.

Awful stories here - I'm so sorry for the awful suffering of so many of us. Capt I'm so glad your story has a happy ending. What are the chances of that?? It gives me hope!

I wrote a piece for a creative writing qualification about an incident in my abusive marriage. Because I was concentrating on the mechanisms of writing, it was easier to write (iyswim). I changed some of the details because abuse rarely makes a good story ( Confused ). I also changed some of the details because I couldn't, and still can't, write down some of the things that happened. Whatever, it was very cathartic to write it. Perhaps, crushed , you could do some writing courses (if you haven't already) to put your story within a framework, as it were. It's a way of approaching the awfulness in a crab-like (and creative) way rather than head on, which can retraumatise.

buildingmycorestrength · 01/04/2013 08:11

I thought about CoDA, but don't have a local one. And also (forgive me!) I thought about the other co-dependent people I know and imagined us all insisting, 'No, I'M bringing the biscuits next week!' and getting stroppy at trying to out-martyr each other. That made me laugh to myself.

Sorry if that is either not appropriate or too appropriate, iyswim.

saffronwblue · 01/04/2013 09:25

Sorry for everyone having tough times. I am ( I think) in a less raw position having married a "golden child" and inherited the narc MIL, plus the difficult dynamic between DH and his sisters. I didn't have this so strongly in my own family, so come to it with adult horror.
Just to share more MIL anecdotes (it is a rich seam). At our wedding, my beloved cousins from my mother's side of my family and I realised that this was the first time for decades that we were all together. We tried to gather for a cousins photo. Cue MIL who know no-one in this group apart from me, running the length of the room, shrieking I hate being photographed and flinging herself into the front of the group. The once in a life time photo of all my cousins has MIl posing in front centre with all the cousins clearly thinking WTF has saffron got herself into?

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