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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 14

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foolonthehill · 10/12/2012 21:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
CharlotteCollinsislost · 12/12/2012 22:19

I was thinking of you the other day, too! Thanks for the update - glad you sound so positive.

ponygirlcurtis · 12/12/2012 22:22

Tigris, what a fab update, thanks for letting us know you're doing so well. That's lovely to hear about your DD exploring who she is and enjoying her new freedom to be herself. I saw that too in my DS1 after we left, and he'd only been around his step-dad for about 18months but it was still long enough to squash him. I loved seeing him run around and make noise ie being a normal 6-year-old boy without worrying that he was going to get told off.

Keep growing and finding yourself, both you and DD, every day is a revelation. Thanks

TisILeclerc · 12/12/2012 22:24

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 12/12/2012 22:24

That was to Tigris, a few x-posts there!

Yay for stepdaughters' mum! Thought she'd see through him...

Have somehow found myself doing the Christmas letter that FW said he was doing 2 weeks ago... Xmas Hmm

ponygirlcurtis · 12/12/2012 22:58

You are right, of course Leclerc (and Charlotte) - it is us that's reasonable. I just struggle to believe it about myself, and was half convinced the girls' mum would be of the same opinion as FW about it being damaging to the girls to keep in contact with me. Same way as I can't quite bring myself to say we are definitely over yet, as if I have some latent hopefire burning, and that I still can't say 'definitely send the letter' to the solicitor.

Speaking of which, I'll maybe get your advice on that tomorrow. I've been sent the first draft and I just want another few eyes over it. But tomorrow, need to go to bed now while the going is good DS2 is still asleep. G'nite all.

TryBreatheFly · 12/12/2012 23:23

Maggie loving your description of his argument with himself Grin I am glad it wasn?t directed at you for once Smile

Leclerc how bloody annoying of him to mess you around like that. And being all fakely chummy re the dress grrr!

Nini aww, I know how you feel, but all mums feel like that sometimes, I am sure the other mums were thinking something like ?that was me yesterday?!

I don?t specially like white cars either, unless they?re tiny IFSWIM!

Pony I had the same situation re the pash-factor ? (PF?) ? ?my? fw was just so demanding in terms of frequency that all the pleasure was removed and it became a duty, although he was actually a really good partner in the sack [tasteful emoticon] ? it was the pressure that killed it for me. Re cars ? my fw describes mine as a health hazard! WTF does he expect when I have two fighting, singing, eating, shrieking darling cheeky monkeys ripping it up in the back every day? Grin

Nini had to Grin at ?the dance?, though totally sympathetic!

Charlotte yay! Sofar-so-good Wink sounds brilliant Smile

Tigris Smile so glad you are safe and you and dd are recovering slowly but surely

Pony I felt so sympathetic re last year?s xmas play and how you describe it ? very similar feelings here too when at things like that with fw. I was about to rejoice with you that this year things are so different but then felt so concerned when you mentioned about your sister. Good idea to limit sole contact with her ? you need your confidence boosting not undermining! On the upside, SO glad to hear about the positive news re dsds Smile

Silver - my vote for artist in resident?s theme is Clouds, perhaps inspiration from the Cloud Appreciation Society that I inadvertently stumbled on recently (how sweet is that, better than train spotting, eh!)

TisILeclerc · 13/12/2012 08:01

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PrincessFionne · 13/12/2012 09:53

Silver Euuuwwww! mmm .. me naively too always wondered 'why so many?' !!

Can't empathise with the pash kissing Pony, even his mother noticed that he'd stopped kissing me and was just using the place like a hotel (and me the maid).

Thanks for the update Tigris enjoy your time with your sister and the new found freedoms for you/DC, and such good news that you are finding help through WA.

Oh yuk weekend coming up, hopin WA talk today will shore me up a bit for that.

ponygirlcurtis · 13/12/2012 10:06

trying - yyy. FW was also very good [coy emoticon], when we were both in the zone it was beyond great. But the pressure (saying no even if we'd done it 2 or 3 times that week, even when I was either pregnant or had a small baby, apparently meant I'd 'gone off' him), the constant come-ons, the hissy fits if I didn't want to. Why why why? It's the old lament of 'we could have had it all'. If only he weren't a FW. Xmas Hmm

From reading the Beverly Engel book, I can identify my sister as one of my original abusers (if that's not too strong a way to put it). As much as I know she cares for me, she is highly critical of me and can be a bully. It was just interesting to be aware of it all of a sudden, rather than just sitting feeling awkward.

Nini - I'm there with you. DS2 is a rigid-backed screamfest today, was the same most of yesterday, and was all through the night [yawn]. So different from DS1, who never tantrumed badly that I can recall. I'm glad I don't have to take him out anywhere today, but I can foresee a day soon when I'll be leaving a supermarket, red-faced with a screaming toddler under one arm... joy!!!

Leclerc - that's the spirit, don't let a cold spoil your fun. Dr Pony prescribes hot toddies all day for that special inner glow. You wont look like hell on legs on Saturday, you are going to look fab [sparkles], and flirting will be mandatory.

I vote for clouds too. And maybe whales. Cloud whales. Ooooh, I sense a children's story coming on...

PrincessFionne · 13/12/2012 10:18

and quite something to notice Pony, is good that you must be seeing things differently now!

CharlotteCollinsislost · 13/12/2012 10:24

I think I might join that Cloud Appreciation Society - sounds great! I used to look up at the clouds when I was stuck on barren high streets or concretey campuses and almost always find something beautiful up there. I was a bit of a daydreamer back then! (before fw dcs took over)

Oh, Leclerc, what bad timing! If it's any consolation, I felt utterly crap yesterday with the most revolting cold, but I'm already feeling quite a bit better this morning. Hope you can take it easy a bit today... Are your dcs any good at nursing? Mine try to look after me sometimes when I'm feeling grotty, but it usually ends up being more work for me! Xmas Grin

NiniLegsInTheAir · 13/12/2012 10:30

Waves to Tigris! So glad to hear you're doing well, well done you! Enjoy it, your daughter and your freedom Xmas SmileXmas SmileXmas Smile

Lol at the tissues Silver! I refuse to touch them which means they stay beside NSDH's side of the bed for several days despite him saying he's 'such a clean and tidy person' Hmm. He does it when he thinks I'm asleep so I'm never really sure if it's deliberately trying to get at me.

And while we're on the subject of sex pestering - he started whinging and getting all sexually aggressive 3 weeks after DD was born Sad. I gave in at about 6 weeks and gave him a BJ (one of the worst experiences of my life, believe it or not), but managed to avoid sex with him until the 6 month mark. Even then, it was shite. And it's never been the same since - I have to really feel good towards someone to want to have a sesh, my body just doesn't respond otherwise. So on the rare occasions we've done it since DD's birth, it's always been awful. For me anyway Sad

DD was fine this morning! She bounced into nursery (with her toy this time) and went off without a fuss for the first time in weeks. Hooray it felt good Xmas Grin

Leclerc, dose up and get out there, you'll have a great time, cold or no cold Smile

Big hugs Curtis, it is sad when you look back and remember the bad times. But think how even more different things will be this time next year! Grin

NiniLegsInTheAir · 13/12/2012 10:31

BTW - I once interviewed someone who put 'Member of the Cloud Appreciation Society' down as one of her hobbies. The woman was bonkers! Grin

CharlotteCollinsislost · 13/12/2012 10:56

But happy bonkers, I bet! Xmas Grin

PrincessFionne · 13/12/2012 11:00

yes spot on Charlotte one of the quickest ways to lift mood! Xmas Smile

ponygirlcurtis · 13/12/2012 11:01

Nini - hurray at DD's bounciness, and Xmas Grin and Cloud Appreciation Society woman. OoooohmmmmmmmM!

PrincessFionne · 13/12/2012 11:05

BTW - before I might be labelled as bonkers too [using clouds as a mood lifting actually mostly for kids], am not a member of said society!

PrincessFionne · 13/12/2012 12:57

I too think it might have been furtive wanking (thinking I'm asleep) - maybe like the punches and kicks at night apparently in his sleep! (maybe they were, how do you know?)

PrincessFionne · 13/12/2012 12:57

nini ....(ooops missed that out)

TisILeclerc · 13/12/2012 13:52

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 13/12/2012 13:54

Punches and kicks, Fi? Sad Somehow I doubt that was accidental.

Which reminds me - in our early days of dating, when NSDH used to snuggle up behind me, sometimes while 'asleep' he would grip my arm so hard I woke up squealing in pain. Then he would tell me to be quiet and stop talking nonsense as he hadn't done anything. It wasn't until one of these occasions left me with fingerprint bruises around one of my upper arms (that I showed him the next morning), that this stopped happening. It's been a long time since I've thought about that...now I doubting that he ever was asleep Sad

NiniLegsInTheAir · 13/12/2012 13:56

Leclerc - my NSDH insists all mess is mine (I have a slight but not uncontrollable hoarding problem thanks to my controlling Dad), so he uses mess to control me. He used to be tidy, now he's not as 'I can't be bothered so why should he'. Sad Sad Sad

And that's the spirit! Get out there and enjoy yourself Xmas Grin

PrincessFionne · 13/12/2012 14:09

sick Nini Sad sick sicko. punches arm flung across pillows at full stretch very accurate mind you for one 'flailing' around in sleep. He was obviously very awake and calculating (even in the early days of dating) [horror!]

Children's mess/general dirtiness (requiring hoovering/washing etc) is not to do with FW's as they hovver above carpets and do not shed hairs/skins like us normal mortal beings, or have any legal binding contract to clean up after DC. pah!

PrincessFionne · 13/12/2012 14:11

oh dammit.... thinking it and not typing it: ^He [your FW nini ] was obviously very awake and calculating (even in the early days of dating) [horror!]

PrincessFionne · 13/12/2012 14:12

oh dammit.... thinking it and not typing it: He [your FW nini ] was obviously very awake and calculating (even in the early days of dating) [horror!]