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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 14

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foolonthehill · 10/12/2012 21:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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PrincessFionne · 11/12/2012 15:45

its hard, very hard.. Pony but try to not 2nd guess what FWittery the FW is up to. Just as long as he's not stalking you! (then phone the police if you suspect this and get it and other stuff on record). Try to keep your energies on what you are doing to protect yourself and make progress. So sorry the planned night out brought to such abrupt/distressing end. take care you two. ((hugs))

TheSilverPussycat · 11/12/2012 15:53

Believe me, it is better for him to have a sol than represent himself! [bitter experience emoticon]

Bertiebassett · 11/12/2012 16:32

Oh pony so sorry to hear about DS...hope he feels better soon and that you both have a more restful night tonight.

Yes ignore the fact that he was loitering in the area...these FW's love to plant a seed in your mind, they want you to wonder what they're doing...because it means you're thinking about them and paying them attention (the narcissistic bastards
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Bertiebassett · 11/12/2012 16:36

...and charlotte ....how about 'lets spoil ourselves and both have some me time'?

PrincessFionne · 11/12/2012 18:27

True Bertie and we can then give power to that, or not (by dismissing and ignoring). The only thing to fear is fear itself mantra. I'm sure you can rely on him to lie Pony, and be awful about you to anyone and everyone prepared to listen (in my experience, and that of others), but its really not important. You know you are doing right and following sound legal, emotional advice, and not trying to screw up DS head!

.. I 'm sure you deserve lovely gift, enjoy Bertie Xmas Smile

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 11/12/2012 20:35

Can you post his portion to me?

Thanks for suggestions. I think whatever I say, he'll say that that is or can be provided for in the holiday he's already booked! I'm fighting a losing battle, aren't I? Perhaps I just have to go along with this and think all along, this is the last time I have to do this.

Or not. Still haven't heard back from the letting agent whether the landlady thinks I'm suitable for her house or not...

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 11/12/2012 20:46

Hi everyone,
Can I apologise in advance for the me post? I know I have only contributed sporadically but I am in such a mess today.
Ex received the petition and behaviour particulars today and has gone mad at the accusation that he wasn't supportive of me and the dc. He says if any of it were true then I wouldn't be letting him see them.
Then said he is going to tell my family details about our sex life in order to embarrass me as I think I am so perfect unless I have the particulars changed. I won't as they have already been sent to court.
He also says the dc are all mine now and see how I like that really quite a lot since he is such a twat.
I had his sister ranting and raving on the phone at the weekend. I can't concentrate at work as I teach and the slightest thing tips me over the edge at the moment.
DD is meant to be going on a school trip with him Monday and was going to stay overnight Sun before it. I just don't want to ever see him again.

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 11/12/2012 21:15

Leclerc is right Matchsticks, communication only in writing, so you can deal with it when you feel ready to, and it gives you some evidence. Stay strong and don't give in to the bullying, we're all behind you. Thanks and Brew. Sad

Charlotte, do what you feel is best, but don't be bullied into doing something you're not comfortable with. You don't have to go with him you know. Wink

And Leclerc, I'm happy to have whatever food is spare Grin Well done on making such a lovely sounding meal.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 11/12/2012 21:17

If he does get in contact r.e seeing the kids I am going to say he has to pick up and drop off from somewhere public. I need to ensure he doesn't get the chance to start on me again.
My fab solicitor is really good and says to leave financial arrangements til the new year because she knows I'm bloody nuts at the moment. I feel like there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

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foolonthehill · 11/12/2012 22:07

Sad the reality of their lives. A hard lesson to learn so young...but maybe a protective one? (clutches at straws)

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PrincessFionne · 11/12/2012 22:13

good logic Matchsticks about the public collection despite all the upset right now. The inevitable 'anger', so predictable (rather than upset!). Hole up and set the phone to call screening. hear hear to emails only. Stay away from him as much as poss and treat yourself to everything you can whilst your emos settle down... but you've done it, its done now... good for you. ((hugs)) take care.

I agree Charlotte, you no need to go, and neither have DC. I hopeyou can come up with a way to wriggle out, or just say you don't want to (I think the after busy christmas you all need a rest one was good?)

CharlotteCollinsislost · 11/12/2012 22:13

Oh, Matchsticks, what a FW he is. This is the worst time, because he feels you getting away from him, out of his grasp. It will get better.

Phone call survived... but no decision reached. I am feeling bullied, Nini. He has to be out of the country so there is a trip and it's just up to me whether I want to go on it; he wants to take the dcs, too, but if he does that effectively forces me to go too, as I'm not happy with them going without me (I'm their source of security; he's just this guy that's around sometimes and is a bit of an unknown quantity). If I say he can't take the dcs, he'll tell them I've stopped him taking them on holiday and they'll be upset and angry with me.

He's good at it, isn't he? The best solution is to give in. Again.

And after that, there's the trip in February (where ds doesn't want to go) and a completely exhausting, hectic, stupid two-week trip in April which is already booked for all of us to sort out. I think I'm going to have nightmares about holidays for years!

Gotta phone the letting agent tomorrow and beg them to beg the landlady to take me on! Xmas Grin

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 11/12/2012 22:30

If only that'd make him shrug his shoulders and go, "Oh well, I'll go by myself; see you in 2014!" I'd do it in a shot! Xmas Grin

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PrincessFionne · 11/12/2012 22:58

Charlotte let him tell them what he wants, they'll learn he talks out of his arse! sometimes them getting angry is just part of the job when FW concerned, but they'll know the truth afterwards! I guess only you can really weigh up the balance of the risks/benefits involved if you can actually bear to go!

PrincessFionne · 11/12/2012 23:00

..... and fingers crossed for landlady for you!

TryBreatheFly · 11/12/2012 23:37

Hi lovely ones, I tried to post earlier but it got eaten.

I hope your ds is feeling better, pony? I felt so bad for you in your distress, and very sympathetic. As always you also made me Grin a bit with your comments - stuntman and the pash factor Grin - I so know what you mean re the pash bloody factor; I had to manufacture that too, to pre-empt sulks and shouting and sighing and shoulder humping and sudden turnings over just as I was falling asleep.....

Darkesteyes you have a lovely nn! I am sorry for your troubles. Welcome. Your situation sounds so difficult. Loneliness within a relationship is devastating, isn't it. Do you have any rl support?

Charlotte isn't it sad that holidays seem like a nightmare atm Sad He is being very manipulative. I wish you strength, whatever you decide. I've had a few endurance holidays which ended up being ok-ish just simply because I was dreading them so much, they weren't as bad when I got there IYSWIM.

Match what an arse, threatening you with that. Mine has also threatened to divulge personal info, threatened to set my flat on fire in the long distant past, it's all so frightening and intimidating but I do believe it's all hot air. They know how to get to us. He never did actually do any of that but the thought of him being on the edge of stepping outside social boundaries and ripping loose like the joker through the pack has always kept me on tenterhooks. Just what he intended, I guess, the arse.

MaggieMay05 · 12/12/2012 02:11

Sorry for neglecting ladies, not even had a chance to read todays posts. Has been a hell of a week so far Fwerty wise. Hes not coping well with the whole detaching thing and being more angry than normal. guess he feels like hes loosing control. He even took a little break from picking on me today to have a row with himself - was all very strange - he spilt something in the microwave and shouted at himself, calling himself a stupid f*king c*t. Well I never.....for once one of his insults were true!! I just wanted to burst out laughing - it was so odd - he is mental!! Xmas Grin