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Husbands, masturbation & paranoia......

180 replies

ParanoidWife · 05/01/2004 21:40

DH and I always had a great sex life pre DD but things have certainly slowed down since her birth, due to my sex drive dying a rapid and almost complete death (sex reduced to once a month MAX). Our DD is now a happy healthy toddler and only recently has the physical side of our marriage picked up a little, we have had sex twice this week and DH has orgasmed 3 times (once via non penetrative contact IYSWIM). I know DH still has sexual urges, his sex drive is fairly average.

I am learning to drive and I have a couple of one hour lessons per week. A few weeks ago I came home from a lesson and DH was in the bath. I popped into the spare room for a sneaky 5 mins on MN and there was something on the desk, it was clearly semen. I checked the history and the temp internet files on the pc and they had all been wiped clean (DH is in IT). DH got out of the bath and came into the spare room to say hello. When he got in I jokily said 'you need to get yourself a better towel, next time' (or something to that effect). He said 'what are you on about ?!' I pointed to the fluid on the desk and looked at him quizzically. He denied it was semen or that he even knew what it was and how it got there. I KNEW he way lying so I calmly turned off the pc and went downstairs DH came down and admitted that it was semen and that he had been masturbating to images on the internet. I told him that I would prefer it if he wasn't so secretve about it as it makes me think that there is more to it (ie is he cheating on me in chat rooms etc). He said he understood that I would feel insecure and I asked him to not delete the addresses off our PC in future (we share our own private profile so kids wouldn't ever get access to it). He agreed.

Anyway, I had another lesson tonight, we had an hour together (in front of the tv) and he went out to his sports club. Naturally I came in here to go on MN when he left. I checked the history and sure enough he'd been downloading mpegs with titles like 'mouthf*ck' and 'dirty double penetration'. At least he'd kept the history.

My point is that I've lost a lot of confidence in my body/sexual attractiveness since childbirth. DH does his best to reassure me, and sometimes I even believe him. Then I find out that he is w*nking over leggy slim blondes and it all goes out of the window I know that it is all fantasy but part of me can't help thinking that he'd rather be with them than me, the thought makes me feel physically ill.

Looking at the properties on history I can see that I was barely out of the door before he was up here with his pants down

I don't want to deny him his right to do whatever he pleases with his own body in his own time, but how can I feel better about it ? How do I convince myself that his masturbation bears little or no relation to me ? Is that even true ?

Thanks
An embarrassed regular Mumsnetter

OP posts:
similarthing · 07/01/2004 20:52

I have, for a number of reasons, also changed my nickname for this post. DH and I have a very relaxed relationship in terms of this. Magazines, vidoes, etc, have never bothered me in the slightest and I do not feel at all threatened by the fact that he has these things in our house (as long as they are way out of the reach of the children).

However, since we got the computer, DH visits porn sites (not money paying ones however). Following on from this thread, I asked him why. His genuine response was 'because you can'. He doesn't save the mp3 files although for some reason, everything that it viewed or listened to (including Tweenie's songs!) is by default saved to a temporary folder (advice on how to avoid this would be greatly appreciated!) so if I wanted, I could easily see what he has been looking at. These folders are regularly deleted by both myself and DH.

However, because it has always been out in the open, it is really no big deal. He is not going to run off with 'hot anal sex lady'! I am, however, a little more uneasy with internet porn than with magazines, videos, etc. Not quite sure why.

Paranoid Wife - this really bears no relation to you at all (his masturbation I mean) although I appreciate that it is hard to get out of this frame of mind once you are in it.

Can you talk to DH about it? Express your concerns as you did in your first post?
Good luck!

Levanna · 07/01/2004 23:16

Hi. I'd just wanted to present a view from the other side of the coin! I think I said in my earlier post, it's not a case of either of us telling each other what and what not to do. More a case of mutual respect for what we each find acceptable, and are comfortable with. As someone said here, there is always the possiility that your partner could lie (in a situation like mine) and go ahead anyway, surreptitiously. But, I have more respect for my partner than to doubt his respect for me (now!) . I'd never judge someone over why or why not they might agree with it, or accept porn as a given. I've found people's feelings often run much deeper than an adversity for any flippant reason, if you know what I mean. I still think compromise is always worth a try if there's anything going on in our lives that we aren't comfortable with.

Rhubarb · 08/01/2004 14:35

Porn is just fantasy and to be fair, Dadslib has a point, fantasy is often much better than the real thing, so for men porn is better than real sex because they don't have to do any foreplay and their fantasy woman thinks they are absolutely fantastic and will do anything for them!
But Dadslib, not every man is like you (I know this may come as a shock to you!) and not every man is that interested in porn. My dh is very honest with me and he has used porn in the past, but these days he simply doesn't touch it and says he much prefers proper sex, perhaps that's because he loves me and that love is reciprocated, and I know that your relationship isn't too hot these days (forgive me for mentioning that but you did dedicate a whole thread to your relationship a while back).

It's all down to respect too, if you love and respect your parnter, you don't need to resort to porn and certainly don't belittle your partner with it.

handlemecarefully · 08/01/2004 20:58

Rhubarb,

...'if you love and respect your partner you don't need to resort to porn'...

  • are you saying that the 90% of us whose husbands sometimes use porn, therefore have husbands who don't love and respect us? I have some difficulty with that!
Rhubarb · 09/01/2004 13:03

I was responding to DLs post, not making a general point for everyone. DL has admitted hitting out at his wife in temper, he was asking advice about it a while ago. So it seems to me (just being presumptious on the evidence given) that theirs is a relationship that doesn't have much respect on either side. So the fact that he thinks most men prefer porn to actual fact I think stems from his own personal situation.

Sorry DL to be discussing you like this, hope you take my comments in the way they are intended, with best wishes.

Dadslib · 09/01/2004 13:21

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Rhubarb · 09/01/2004 13:30

Aw bless you! Join the celibacy club mate!

Tortington · 09/01/2004 21:46

isn't there a compromise? can't you watch porn together? move the computer to the living room so he is not wanking in the kids room?

its a respect issue isn't it, you have some concerns he must take them on board.

he should not be wanking in the kids room! tell him he can have a stash of mags in alocked box behing the setee in the front room - or to move the puter to the front room and he cant wank off whilst your watching eastenders - but not to do it in the kids room. he might not see anything wrong with it - but you do presumably.

so a couple of compomises?

WSM · 10/01/2004 10:54

ROFL custardo . Thanks for your suggestions.

WSM · 10/01/2004 10:55

Bugger, blown my cover Ah well, so now you all know that it is my DH who is the deviant !!!

Jenie · 10/01/2004 10:59

lol wsm

WSM · 10/01/2004 11:04

I haven't got the 'name changing for one subject' thing down to a tee yet !

Jenie · 10/01/2004 11:06

Well as it's you I will add my bit, dp watches porn, we've tried to watching it together but I end up in fits of laughter at the terrible acting and the things they do.

Dp says that it's put him off watching it all together - all though I'm sure he still does but won't admit it incase I ask to have a gander.

Tbh I'd be upset if he was "spanking his monkey" in the childrens bed room but wouldn't take it as a personal slight against me as a woman or as his partner. I've been known to put ds down for his nap and "flick my bean" and incase you haven't read the kissing thread we do have sexual relations together every day so can't say that if we had sex more then this need would go away.

As a very dear friend once said to me "if you've got an itch go scratch it".

Hope this helps.

Tortington · 10/01/2004 11:46

"flick my bean!" BRILLIANT i shall use that next time i am explaining my "deviant" practises to dh!

Rhubarb · 10/01/2004 12:39

Are me and my dh the only ones who don't use porn? Does that make us wierd? I'm getting all paranoid now!

Mummysurfer · 10/01/2004 12:44

Do you know he's not using it Rhubarb?

Levanna · 11/01/2004 03:04

LMAO Rhubarb . No, you're not, but it does look like our DH's are amongst the tiny 10% that dont succumb!

mummysurfer · 11/01/2004 08:14

No, I don't think mine is but after reading this thread I feel I can't be 100% sure.

bloss · 11/01/2004 11:52

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motherinferior · 11/01/2004 17:06

My dp doesn't like porn. I asked him about it ages ago - what he thought about it in general - and he said it might be different if the pics were of women actually having a whale of a time posing for fun, but as he knew a bit about the general exploitation in the industry it didn't do anything for him thanks very much. (He is NOT Mr Prude, honestly, that makes him sound such a goody-goody).

Harman · 11/01/2004 18:28

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jasper · 12/01/2004 01:15

bloss thank you for articulating that so well.

Twinkie · 12/01/2004 08:26

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WSM · 12/01/2004 15:56

Harman, just make sure you don't ask me for advice re using an 'alias' for embarrassing/personal problems !!!

WSM · 12/01/2004 16:00

Thanks to all who've given advice or just shared their side of things. All (or most) of it is helping me to be a bit more relaxed about the whole thing.

P.S. 'Custardo', I too am a 'deviant' (in an, ahem, self-love kind of a way) but it IS different as it is just me, my imagination and maybe a mechanical implement ()in MY bed. NOT DH with actual real (IYSWIM) people in our 10 year old sons bedroom !