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So miserable

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OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 10:53

Not really sure if relationships is the right topic for this.

I'm a SAHM with 4 DCs, two older ones and two little ones aged 2.5 and almost 5. DH works long hours running his own business.

Every day feels like groundhog day. I spend my whole life, it seems, cooking, cleaning, washing... The list goes on. I don't see anyone all day apart from on the school run and then I don't really talk to anyone. I only have two friends and they both work full time. DH comes home from work usually very stressed or knackered so doesn't really want to talk/listen or if he does I know he's thinking I'm complaining about nothing really.

The children just seem so full-on. Youngest dc is a real monkey, and the arguments between him and his sister are constant. Luckily she is at school full time but I dread the time after school when I'm trying to get tea cooked etc as I end up referreeing between the two of them. He really is going through the terrible twos and I'm struggling. He is an angel at weekends when DH is here though.

No-one cleans up after themselves, it's all left to me. I've tried taking things away from the eldest two if they don't clean their rooms but they don't care. Eldest DS works full time and pays board so I don't expect him to do much around the house, just like I don't expect DH to. A little consideration for me would be nice though.

That's the thing I'm struggling with I think - no one gives a shit about me. No one cares if I'm unhappy or lonely, no one asks how my day was. They all walk in to a meal on the table every evening and it's the end of the world if I'm ill or something because how will they survive - no one else cooks. Even Sundays are planned around what I'm cooking, I fucking hate cooking, DH knows this yet refuses to learn or help just at weekends so I can have a day off.

DH doesn't get involved in anything to do with the home or the kids. One example is I'm planning a party for DD1s birthday, he is refusing to come/help with ideas etc as he just doesn't want to. He feels he can opt out of things because I'll pick up the slack. Having said that, he is a very good father in terms of doing bedtimes, playing with the kids, will look after them if I have to go somewhere etc but he just won't help out with things like Christmas - this is a big issue for me. He never takes any interest in what I choose for the kids presents but always throws it back at me afterwards that I've spent too much/bought them a load of crap etc.

I can't work because I have no back up. All time off to cover kids being ill or holidays would be down to me. DD2 was ill with a heavy cold and temperature last Mon, Tues, Weds and Thurs. She went back to school Fri by which point DS2 had it. He was better by Tues but DD2 then developed an ear infection so has been off school since then. How the hell would I hold down a job with that much time off? Yet being at home every day is driving me mental. I know though, at least while the youngest two are small, that I'll never have the freedom to work without the responsibility and worry of childcare etc, unlike DH who can work whatever hours he likes because he knows I'm here to deal with all the shit pick up the pieces.

I know this is a self indulgent rant and I don't really expect any replies offering advice but there must be some of you in a similar boat who can rant with me? :)

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mcmooncup · 08/11/2012 20:17

The relevance is that you don't "push his buttons" anymore. You keep your mouth shut because you know what he is capable of now. You may not even be fully conscious of this, but read back how you do not stand up to him in anyway.......why is that?

He doesn't need to smack you about anymore, you are playing to his rules.

AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 20:20

As I have been saying for the last few posts and then mcm summarises it succintly

Your mistake was taking him back after he duffed you up

You have been paying the price ever since

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 20:25

I keep my mouth shut because if I started telling him everything then it would all come spilling out. There would be no going back.

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AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 20:27

You are being gagged. You can't say how you really feel.

You should be able to articulate anything you want. Instead, you simmer and rant to strangers. And skivvy for your husband and disrespectful children.

AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 20:28

Oh, and defend him. Why ??

mcmooncup · 08/11/2012 20:31

Is there a reason why you do not want it to all come spilling out?

I'd hazard a guess because you know how he will react. And it won't be pretty.

Abuse is this subtle ( there is another word for that which I cannot quite get to) Most people who are in an abusive relationship do not realise they are living in an abusive relationship.

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 20:33

I only defend the things that look worse in black and White than they are in reality.

I bite my Tongue because if I kicked off at everything that pisses me off we would split up. Simple. He tells people that I've mellowed over the last few years. I'm calmer than I used to be. Not so highly strung.

It's because I know what it's like to split up, I know the damage it did to my children. I know how much I hurt. And I can't face going there again. It's easier to just get on with it but yes, the resentment does build up. And yes, I have no one else to talk to about it so I rant to strangers.

Thank you all for listening.

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AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 20:35

You are welcome x

AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 20:37

Can I ask you something very personal, and you don't need to answer this. Tell me to fuck off if you like, I won't punish you for it.

Are you on anti-depressants to enable you to stay in this awful relationship ?

BertieBotts · 08/11/2012 20:38

Anyone can play with kids - a good father is one who takes on all the responsible, boring parts too, the hard bits - calming them down after a nightmare, cooking for them, cleaning up after them, changing nappies, washing hair when they're screaming and saying they don't want it, persuading them that they really do want to wear a coat when it's -5, getting them dressed in the mornings, getting them to school on time. IF he can do all that and STILL be their favourite person, then he's a great Dad. Other than that - a great playmate, maybe, but he's not really being a father.

BertieBotts · 08/11/2012 20:39

Sorry Blush DS was playing up and it was ages between writing and posting that.

mcmooncup · 08/11/2012 20:39

You are saying you are not entitled to have any feelings within your marriage.

You have mellowed because you have given up.

THe resentment will not go away, but just get worse every day.

I wish you luck OP, sometime MN is too on the ball with this stuff and it will be the first time you have ever heard your relationship described in these ways.

I urge you not to just ignore it all. Take some time and digest it. The thread is pretty much unanimous in supporting you in that you are entitled to have feelings and a better existence than you currently have, and this is not at the expense of your children, indeed although you don't think it now, they will be happier long term.

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 20:42

It's fine AF, I don't mind answering it.

I'm not on ADs at the moment, I was prescribed them about a year ago but didn't take them as I was still breastfeeding and I was scared of the possible side effects of them passing through to DS.

I still have them in the cupboard and have been very tempted to start taking them this week.

I have been on them a few times during our relationship. Mostly for PND which, unsurprisingly, I have mostly battled through alone.

I have also had anxiety issues since DS was born 2.5yrs ago and I've had OCD tendencies for around 10yrs now.

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AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 20:45

You know what I am going to extrapolate from that, don't you, love ?

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 20:47

Thank you mcmooncup, you have hit the nail on the head.

Bertie, he doesn't do things like getting kids dressed, school runs etc as he is out of the house before they are up in the morning and home just before they go to bed. He changes nappies. He does get up in the night, he claims he never hears them but will go to them if I wake him up. He is hands on when he is here but he wouldn't do extra things - there have been times when I've rushed out to get them a costume for a dress up day for example and he always says 'thank god you're here to do stuff like that, if you weren't then I wouldn't bother'. Thats not the best example but he does often say it in response to things I do for the children.

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OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 20:48

I do AF, yes :(

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AbigailAdams · 08/11/2012 20:48

Oh this is awful. Grape you are in a living hell. You don't deserve this treatment. He is a horrible, horrible abusive man. I just want to give you the courage to kick him out and then watch you grow into your own person. Because you can, and it would be wonderful, but not with this man holding you back and wearing you down.

Truly he doesn't deserve you, yet he thinks he does. The mark of an abuser.

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 20:54

But nobody would believe he is that bad. People will say that he's so much better than he used to be - he will now have a week off work a couple of times a year whereas before he never took holiday. And everyone will say he's an amazing father.

There were years when I just wanted him to spend more time with me and the kids. But work came first. I think a little bit of me was eroded with each passing year. Yes my self esteem is on the floor. I dont converse with adults, I spend all my time with a 2 and 4 yr old.

The sad thing is, he wouldn't actually have to do much to make me happier. But he may as well have a mountain to climb because he just doesn't have it in him.

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AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 20:58

does everyone else have to live with him ?

first your kids will hate you if you split, now the neighbours will hate you

that barrel you are scraping is going to have no bottom soon ....

MyNameIsInigoMontoya · 08/11/2012 21:00

Whether he's a good father or not (and I am leaning towards the latter), he's a shit husband.

He can still be a good father (if he really is...) if you split up. He can't be a shit husband any more though... well not to you, anyway; let some other woman have the joys of him if anyone is fool enough to take him on.

And one day, you might find a good husband, and see how different that is.

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 21:01

No, I don't mean the neighbours. I mean his family really, I'm very close to my MIL and she is generally very fair and doesn't automatically take his side at all. But, he is her only surviving child and they are very close now.

She told me I could do better than him when we split before, how I wish I'd listened to her!

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AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 21:02

Goodness, if his own mother said you could do better, then yes you should have listened

I still don't get why you feel you are powerless now though

You are hamstringing yourself

MooncupGoddess · 08/11/2012 21:03

:( The fact that even your MIL thinks you could do better is quite telling, you know. You could still remain in touch with her if you split.

AbigailAdams · 08/11/2012 21:03

Men's behaviour, especially as fathers is held to a much lower standard than for women. He does hardly any real childcare, yet he is a wonderful father? He has improved, well he couldn't have got much worse could he? He is disrespectful of you and you and the children are low down his priority list. If you were talking about a woman then your friends/family would be way more judgemental.

Really his behaviour is very poor.

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 21:08

Tonight is a prime example of how things are. I'm being very quite, not particularly talkative as I'm trying to get my head round all this stuff.

He has noticed.

He hasn't asked me if I'm ok or what is wrong. He automatically assumes I'm pissed off with the kids therefore it's too trivial to even waste his time having a conversation with me. I'm too trivial aren't I?

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