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So miserable

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OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 10:53

Not really sure if relationships is the right topic for this.

I'm a SAHM with 4 DCs, two older ones and two little ones aged 2.5 and almost 5. DH works long hours running his own business.

Every day feels like groundhog day. I spend my whole life, it seems, cooking, cleaning, washing... The list goes on. I don't see anyone all day apart from on the school run and then I don't really talk to anyone. I only have two friends and they both work full time. DH comes home from work usually very stressed or knackered so doesn't really want to talk/listen or if he does I know he's thinking I'm complaining about nothing really.

The children just seem so full-on. Youngest dc is a real monkey, and the arguments between him and his sister are constant. Luckily she is at school full time but I dread the time after school when I'm trying to get tea cooked etc as I end up referreeing between the two of them. He really is going through the terrible twos and I'm struggling. He is an angel at weekends when DH is here though.

No-one cleans up after themselves, it's all left to me. I've tried taking things away from the eldest two if they don't clean their rooms but they don't care. Eldest DS works full time and pays board so I don't expect him to do much around the house, just like I don't expect DH to. A little consideration for me would be nice though.

That's the thing I'm struggling with I think - no one gives a shit about me. No one cares if I'm unhappy or lonely, no one asks how my day was. They all walk in to a meal on the table every evening and it's the end of the world if I'm ill or something because how will they survive - no one else cooks. Even Sundays are planned around what I'm cooking, I fucking hate cooking, DH knows this yet refuses to learn or help just at weekends so I can have a day off.

DH doesn't get involved in anything to do with the home or the kids. One example is I'm planning a party for DD1s birthday, he is refusing to come/help with ideas etc as he just doesn't want to. He feels he can opt out of things because I'll pick up the slack. Having said that, he is a very good father in terms of doing bedtimes, playing with the kids, will look after them if I have to go somewhere etc but he just won't help out with things like Christmas - this is a big issue for me. He never takes any interest in what I choose for the kids presents but always throws it back at me afterwards that I've spent too much/bought them a load of crap etc.

I can't work because I have no back up. All time off to cover kids being ill or holidays would be down to me. DD2 was ill with a heavy cold and temperature last Mon, Tues, Weds and Thurs. She went back to school Fri by which point DS2 had it. He was better by Tues but DD2 then developed an ear infection so has been off school since then. How the hell would I hold down a job with that much time off? Yet being at home every day is driving me mental. I know though, at least while the youngest two are small, that I'll never have the freedom to work without the responsibility and worry of childcare etc, unlike DH who can work whatever hours he likes because he knows I'm here to deal with all the shit pick up the pieces.

I know this is a self indulgent rant and I don't really expect any replies offering advice but there must be some of you in a similar boat who can rant with me? :)

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ladyWordy · 08/11/2012 17:19

So shocked I don't know what to say.
You're the co-head of household, not its servant.

Servants usually get paid, and thanked!

And you're doing this for love of a man who says he'd rather bust his business than watch you take half. Shock

OhThis, you deserve a much better life. You have children, and have supported him so he can run his business unhindered. So, you would need legal advice, but he cannot cut you off from his financial assets so you are left with nothing. It doesn't work like that,whatever he's told you.

Sometime soon, get yourself a free half hour of legal advice so that you have a clearer idea of where you stand.

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 17:22

I suppose he feels like he's put so much of his work into it, why should I take any of that from him. Thing is, I'd love to bust him - despite it having provided for us for the past 13yrs it has been nothing but a bone of contention between us. It has taken DH away from us at times when we needing him most, robbed us of family time together and worst of all it's turned DH from the carefree teenager I fell in love with into a stressed-out, selfish, thoughtless arsehole :(

He even went into work on our honeymoon - which lead to me making him choose between me and the business. Of course I lost but having only been married 5 days I couldn't carry it through :(

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OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 17:31

DS1 has just walked in and is kicking off that his tea isn't ready for another 20 mins and he wants to go out at 6. I need to just fuck off somewhere where I'll be appreciated don't I?

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TinTinsSexySister · 08/11/2012 17:31

How can this be worse if you leave him?

You already do everything anyway and get no support.

Plus, if you did leave you'd be entitled to financial support - money which you could choose to spend on whatever you want whenever you want to.

I don't promise much, but I've been in a relationship with a bully, and I can promise you this: stick out the first few weeks and the sense of relief you feel will amaze you.

You'll also learn pretty quickly that you can be far lonelier in a bad relationship than you'll ever be out of one.

Your thread has made me Sad for you.

mcmooncup · 08/11/2012 17:39

He's a twat.

Really nothing more to say. I CBA'ed even expanding why, so many other posters have already.

I hope you listen OP

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 17:56

Last time we split, I was left to deal with the fallout. The kids not sleeping at night, their tears, anger etc. DH, meanwhile, got to live the life of Men Behaving Badly - kipping on a (single) mate's sofa, down the pub every night, clubbing etc which is how he ended up having a one night stand.

I have no doubt that that is exactly what he would do again if we were to split. Except the mate's sofa maybe as none them are single now.

How can that be fair? I'd feel almost as though I was setting him free. He'd be able to work all the hours he wanted and get to be a Disney dad every other weekend.

I'd be left to deal with all the shit for the other 12 days of the fortnight.

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Hesterton · 08/11/2012 18:02

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/11/2012 18:09

You should not be together - period. This marriage was dead only 5 days into it.

You are in an abusive marriage and you have again now seen how little he really thinks of you. He thinks you are worth a big fat zero and your own inherent low self esteem and worth has kept you within this as well.

You condemn yourself to a life of misery and pain if you remain with such a damaged individual.

AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 18:14

So, you stay with him so he won't punish you

And he stays with you to punish you

This is pretty fucked up. I don't know how you can square hanging onto a man that would replace you with some other faceless woman so quickly, with a man that is decent and respects you in any way at all. Your self respect must be completely destroyed (by him)

You need to see a solicitor and get all the financial advice you can. Make copies of everything official so he cannot "bust" himself rather than give you your due. That is a criminal act and would be treated very negatively by a divorce court.

He isn't the only one to have toiled blood, sweat and tears over the years.

Get professional advice, or here you will stay, angsting over and over about how hard it all is, when if you really wanted to go, you wouldn't put so many perceived obstacles in your way.

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 18:18

Fwiw that's not strictly true. I'm not hanging on to my marriage just because I don't want him to be free. My family are my life and I can't just jack it all in yet I know it's not working. I was merely trying to point out that if I leave him, at least in the short term, I will suffer more than him.

Also, he's not hanging on in here purely to keep his business. He's in the marriage because this way he gets to see the kids he adores every day, and everything gets done for him without him having to give anything a jot of consideration.

Quite what I/we do about this particulars pitiful situation I do not know.

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OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 18:19

Oh and I have no access whatsoever to any financial information with regards to his business.

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AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 18:22

Why ? You are his wife, an equal partner in his life.

oh ....

You know, a solicitor will force him to disclose any and all information.

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 18:26

I know they will.

I have no access because I don't work there. It's not some two-bit one man sole trader type business. It's a £1million+ turnover, employees, office staff. I can hardly stroll in and start rifling through the filing cabinet and as he doesn't bring any paperwork home with him then I can see no other way.

It is a Ltd company so I could find out basic info from Company's House I guess.

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AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 18:30

If you split, you will be provided for

A good divorce solicitor would be worth the weight in gold. You don't want to go there though, do you ?

You are not ready. What would make you ready to take that step ?

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 18:33

I don't know AF. I do appreciate everyone's advice, I really do.

I'm struggling to get my head around how I went from coming on here for a bit of a rant to now questioning my marriage to an abusive pig :(

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Pinkforever · 08/11/2012 18:34

Op I am in a bad marriage myself-my dh is also financially abusive but honestly your dh is a complete shit!!

Why do you keep saying that he is a great father,who adores his kids?-he adores then so much he bought a car with the money that could have been used to give them a holiday/something for the family.

He has threatened to leave you with no money if you split-he has hit you IN FRONT OF YOUR DCS!!!

These are not the actions of a "great father"-he is a horrible,horrible man and you need to accept that.

AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 18:37

No, grape, you knew you were in an abusive marriage before you started this thread. You have known for some time. Not buying that one.

If he can't be honest with you, at least be honest with yourself.

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 19:04

I do think he is a great dad. I've just been watching him bath the youngest two and they have been squealing with laughter at the silly games he plays with them. They adore him. In terms of one-on-one time, he spends far more time playing with them at weekends when we're both here than I do.

And no, I honestly didn't consider him abusive before I started this thread. Unhelpful, not particularly thoughtful, work-obsessed yes. Abusive no.

Until today I thought life was tough for the both of us, the difference being that I can't do a lot about his day to say stresses at work. He could definitely help me out more. I thought he was just an arse. I read so many threads on here about how fathers won't look after their children etc and my DH isn't like that. I'm not defending him as I can see what you've all pointed out to me but I really thought he's bad, but not that bad.

I have said for years though that he's a great dad, shit husband :(

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AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 19:36

I disagree.

There is no "good father" on this earth that treats the mother of his children like this.

he attacked you physically in front of them remember, and holds you in thrall of his retribution were you to object too strongly about the way he treats you like shit

good father ?

good role model ?

a bit of squealing in the bath does not a good father make

he could still make them squeal in the bath as a PT father

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 19:42

Help me see it clearly. The physical attack, he had drunk 3/4 of a bottle of whisky. He was very drunk. The children (only the eldest two who were then 5 & 9) only saw it as they heard me screaming - he didn't deliberately do it in front of them. I pushed his buttons, not excusing him but I know I pushed him.

It was 7yrs ago, I took him back. Therefore am I being fair in holding it against him now? He hasn't done anything like it since.

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Hesterton · 08/11/2012 19:46

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AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 19:48

You know battered wives always say "it was my fault, I pushed his buttons" don't you ? You are an intelligent woman. Is there any excuse for a man to physically attack a woman ?

Alcohol ? It lowers inhibitions and lets a true nature emerge, it is not a justification.

You wound him up ? So what ? He used his superior physical strength to subdue you in the earshot of his children. Then to add insult to (actual) injury he shagged someone else to further punish you

That was an unforgiveable crossroads in your relationship. You chose the wrong way, and you have been paying for it ever since. How much longer will you pay the price for that ? How much longer will you live under the threat of a return curtain-call ?

AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 19:50

When you say you "pushed his buttons" do you mean you told him some truths about himself ?

or did you go at him with the fucking frying pan to his head, whilst kicking him in the nads ?

it's important to see a distinction

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 19:55

Yes I understand where you are coming from and believe me, I would say exactly the same to anyone else. But I'm not sure what relevance all that has to what is going on now. I took him back. I went on to have two more children with him. I am not scared of him. I do believe he would never have done it sober, we have had 100s of rows over the years and he has never done anything like that to me. He thought he was losing me that night - ironically, as that was what happened eventually anyway - and he snapped.

If I left him now, my kids would hate me. I struggle to cope now, how would it be if I had to face their resentment and anger too? The kids are happy the way things are, how can I blow their world apart for my own happiness?

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AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 20:15

You struggle to cope because he undermines you.

You think your kids don't know he treats you like shit ? Do they respect you for staying ? Do they respect you at all ?

You have already said they don't

Maybe you should give them something to respect you for

Stand up for yourself