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So miserable

190 replies

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 10:53

Not really sure if relationships is the right topic for this.

I'm a SAHM with 4 DCs, two older ones and two little ones aged 2.5 and almost 5. DH works long hours running his own business.

Every day feels like groundhog day. I spend my whole life, it seems, cooking, cleaning, washing... The list goes on. I don't see anyone all day apart from on the school run and then I don't really talk to anyone. I only have two friends and they both work full time. DH comes home from work usually very stressed or knackered so doesn't really want to talk/listen or if he does I know he's thinking I'm complaining about nothing really.

The children just seem so full-on. Youngest dc is a real monkey, and the arguments between him and his sister are constant. Luckily she is at school full time but I dread the time after school when I'm trying to get tea cooked etc as I end up referreeing between the two of them. He really is going through the terrible twos and I'm struggling. He is an angel at weekends when DH is here though.

No-one cleans up after themselves, it's all left to me. I've tried taking things away from the eldest two if they don't clean their rooms but they don't care. Eldest DS works full time and pays board so I don't expect him to do much around the house, just like I don't expect DH to. A little consideration for me would be nice though.

That's the thing I'm struggling with I think - no one gives a shit about me. No one cares if I'm unhappy or lonely, no one asks how my day was. They all walk in to a meal on the table every evening and it's the end of the world if I'm ill or something because how will they survive - no one else cooks. Even Sundays are planned around what I'm cooking, I fucking hate cooking, DH knows this yet refuses to learn or help just at weekends so I can have a day off.

DH doesn't get involved in anything to do with the home or the kids. One example is I'm planning a party for DD1s birthday, he is refusing to come/help with ideas etc as he just doesn't want to. He feels he can opt out of things because I'll pick up the slack. Having said that, he is a very good father in terms of doing bedtimes, playing with the kids, will look after them if I have to go somewhere etc but he just won't help out with things like Christmas - this is a big issue for me. He never takes any interest in what I choose for the kids presents but always throws it back at me afterwards that I've spent too much/bought them a load of crap etc.

I can't work because I have no back up. All time off to cover kids being ill or holidays would be down to me. DD2 was ill with a heavy cold and temperature last Mon, Tues, Weds and Thurs. She went back to school Fri by which point DS2 had it. He was better by Tues but DD2 then developed an ear infection so has been off school since then. How the hell would I hold down a job with that much time off? Yet being at home every day is driving me mental. I know though, at least while the youngest two are small, that I'll never have the freedom to work without the responsibility and worry of childcare etc, unlike DH who can work whatever hours he likes because he knows I'm here to deal with all the shit pick up the pieces.

I know this is a self indulgent rant and I don't really expect any replies offering advice but there must be some of you in a similar boat who can rant with me? :)

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Offred · 08/11/2012 12:45

The fact he works long hours means there is only so much he can do to help but he doesn't see it as my job and he always helps out when needed even if he does do a crap job (from lack of practice) and most importantly he always mucks in when he gets home, brings me presents, asks me how I am during the day, consoles me verbally and physically if I have had a stressful time. Attitude makes the biggest difference.

FrequentFlyerRandomDent · 08/11/2012 12:48

I was going to suggest a pocket money scheme for the kids to work around the house, but the latest comment on you having no income and your H pointing out that he pays for his child's party is worrying.

Are you financially independent? Joint accounts, etc. This would allow you to pay cleaner, organise pocket money scheme...

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 12:54

We have a joint account but there's not a lot spare after everything is paid for. Didn't stop him buying a car for himself a few months ago without discussing it with me... He'd saved up for two years to pay for it, all behind my back. Meanwhile, I ebayed things of mine last Christmas to pay for DCs presents - mainly so that he couldn't moan at how much I'd spent and also because the money wasnt really there to spend anyway. The car, btw, is not a cheap little run around for essential travel. It is a £6K two seater sports car that is totally impractical.

God, the resentment I have towards him just spills out :(

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Kaluki · 08/11/2012 12:56

"Eldest DS works full time and pays board so I don't expect him to do much around the house, just like I don't expect DH to"
That is the problem! Why shouldn't DS (and DH) help round the house. You are teaching your DS to be exactly like his Dad and condemning some poor woman to a life like yours in the future when he gets married and expects her to be like his Mum too!!
If you carry on this way your other three children will do the same and you will be their housemaid for the next 15+ years.
Stand up for yourself here. Write a list of jobs you want done and get them to pull their weight.
Regarding work - it is limiting being a SAHM with little dc but you could always get an evening job stacking shelves or something and on the nights you are working get DH or DS to sort out dinner and bedtimes for the little ones. (takeaways or ready meals if necessary)
There are 3 capable adults in your house, why should everything fall to you?

Kaluki · 08/11/2012 12:57

Reading your last post I am tempted to say "leave the bastard"!
What exactly do you get out of this marriage??

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 12:59

I couldn't leave DS in charge of the little ones due to his ASD, he is only 16 as well which with most teenagers would make him capable, but his maturity level is more that of a 13yr old tbh. I'm not making excuses, that is the reality.

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AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 12:59
Sad

Just that

Whatnowffs · 08/11/2012 13:00

Yes, it the resentment does spill out and ithink it is clouding your view of practical arrangements, as there are so many things syou can do to improve your situation

But honestly - i'd just leave him, he sounds like a cunt.

charlearose · 08/11/2012 13:01

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OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 13:02

What do I get out of the marriage? A nice house and a fantastic dad when he's actually here.

I'd love an evening job but can never guarantee DH will be home on time and have no other childcare available. Also I'd be working for nothing as I'd get double taxed due to being on DH's books as working full time for tax purposes Blush

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Offred · 08/11/2012 13:04

A nice house you have to clean so much you can't enjoy it or have a life? A fantastic dad who won't come to his child's birthday party, buys himself a car instead of the dc Xmas presents and treats his wife badly?

Whatnowffs · 08/11/2012 13:05

See, if i were you i would be thinking, right what do i want here? Right now i am assuming your fuckwit of a husband pays the mortgage etc etc? Good, so he just uses you as a housekeeper etc?

If i were in your shoes i would do some of the following?

a) Get a full-time job, pay for a cleaner and extra childcare. Keep the rest of the money to yourself.
b) Go to college get qualified to do job.
c) do some voluntary work to improve your self esteem.

Ulitmately, id be leaving this spineless twat as you are getting nothing from him, but right now, concentrate on putting YOURSELF where you want to be. Yes i might be increasing your "workload" but eventually you will be in a position where you have a choice. Right now i suspect you stay with this man because you don't feel you have a choice?

Whatnowffs · 08/11/2012 13:08

You wont be double taxed, you will just be taxed on what you earn - i assume that he is "paying" you within your personal tax limit? I'd be ending that arrangement right there - tell him you wont let him have you on the books, because i would be wanting the 9k that he is claiming that he pays you!

AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 13:08

You could still have a lovely house

And this "fantastic" dad (the jury is out on that) will alwAys be their dad

There is nothing else. He is short changing you by having you down as a ft employee. Unless he really means ft household appliance ?

Whatnowffs · 08/11/2012 13:09

A prison is a prison whether it is in rapunzels tower or a flea infested cell.

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 13:12

I don't feel as though I have a choice. We split up 7 years ago, mainly due to the same reasons. He also felt I wasn't supporting him as I wouldn't leave my then job to work for him. We had it out one night, he got very drunk and he attacked me in front of the children. I kicked him out and he was so distressed that he managed to go out and fuck a complete stranger 10 days later. Meanwhile, me and the kids were distraught, I lost a stone in 3 weeks and was tiny to start with. I was so ill that I begged to try again, I did love him and still do, and we put the kids through so much at that time that we vowed we'd never do it to them again.

I couldn't do it to the kids is the bottom line.

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OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 13:14

I 'earn' (in theory only I'm afraid) about £900/month after tax. He always tells me I'll be double taxed if I work, I don't question it as I know nothing about all that.

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sweetkitty · 08/11/2012 13:16

I have 4 DC and am a SAHM, DP works long hours with an hours commute each way. Most of the household stuff falls to me but the minute he is in the door it's 50/50 division of labour.

I wasn't well on Monday, DP texted to say he would cook (well he's a rubbish cook but anyone can stick fish fingers, chips and peas on) or he'd get a takeaway for us all. If I'm cooking he does things like make the drinks, set the table etc, stack the dishwasher etc. We have a roast on a Sunday when I can be bothered.

He's being like this because you are allowing him to be, if he lived himself he would have to do it all. You need to seriously sit down and have a long chat with him tell him you are very unhappy with things as they are, if he is unwilling to change for the sake of your marriage then you have your answer in that he doesn't value it much.

With regards to you, try and get out every day, I found toddler groups a godsend, libraries have little story and sing groups that are usually free, we do baby gymnastics and swimming, gets us out. Coffee in the cafe afterwards too, invite some of the other mums too.

Whatnowffs · 08/11/2012 13:16

He is full of shit, controlling bully!! he has you exactly where he wants you doesn't he! Double taxed my arse!!!

Yes, don't put the kids through that again, get out, make the break, do not beg the slug to come back to you - ewww, you don't want to be with him do you? really? you know this

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 13:19

I don't know what I want. I've been with him since I was 17. I don't know what it's like not to have him in my life, except for when we split before and that was horrific. I do love him but hate how he is towards me, I know it would kill me to see him with anyone else :(

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sweetkitty · 08/11/2012 13:23

Do you want the next 20 years to be like this? He's basically forcing you to stay at home and be his servant.

tasmaniandevilchaser · 08/11/2012 13:23

did you post a while ago about the same situation? I seem to remember the thread, do you live out in the countryside so getting into town is a bit tricky?

If that was you, sorry to see that nothing has changed Sad I think it's perfectly natural you feel miserable, your DH sounds very selfish and like something out of the 1950's.

mummytime · 08/11/2012 13:25

Why oh why did you ever get back with him????

In 5, 10 or 15 years your kids will ever have drifted away from both of you or be asking why you didn't LTB years ago (a friend is in this situation at present).
If he is paying you that money, it needs to be in your account for you to use, if not then quit the job and get a real one.

He is abusing you, certainly financially.

OhThisIsJustGrape · 08/11/2012 13:25

Yes that was me

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Offred · 08/11/2012 13:25

You couldn't leave because of the kids?

What does staying with someone who treats you like this mean for them? You said it yourself that they are learning to treat you like crap from him.

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