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'Leave the bastard!'

209 replies

Abitwobblynow · 06/11/2012 15:59

Is the MN common refrain. In fact, it is presented as THE ONLY option, and MN gets very shirty (and some people can resort to nasty labelling) if the OP declines from doing that - straight away.

But is it the only option? Is it always the right thing to do, straight away? Here is Lundy Bancroft:

'There can sometimes be advantages to giving your partner your time so he can change.

You might use the time to construct a plan of exiting as safely as possible, with as many sound emotional and financial resources a s possible - this is especially important if your partner is violent or threatening, or has indicated that he will get financial revenge if you leave him.

With a dangerous partner, you might use the time to hope that he loses interest in you, so that he is the one to leave you, which can be safer.

Giving him your time might give you the sapce to become very clear about what is happening; going through repeated patterns can give you the opportunity to identify them, prepare yourself emotionally for them, and see the range of his ability.

Giving him your time can allow you to manage major life transitions, such as caring for infants or very small children, or dealing with a relative's sickness and death, with fewer disruptions than leaving might ential.

Giving him your time can allow you to articulate for yourself what exactly your 'deal breakers' are so you are more prepared to insist upon change, and to reinstate for yourself your standards and your clarity.

.., when safety is not an issue, can allow you to detach yourself from the intense care and responsibility for him, and reestablish yourself as a priority, even while in the relationship.
Giving him your time can assuage the voices in you that say 'what if', or 'I have to'... These voices can't be heard and these expectation met until you can meet them squarely and feel confident in your conclusions.

Giving him your time, if things are noticeably improving, can connect you to the love, hope and expansive feelings you felt when you first met.
... if things are noticeably imporiving, can afford you some of the acknowledgement and healing that you desire and deserve.

Giving him your time can help you feel certain of yourself as a person who has treid everything, who is committed to relationships, who believes in giving people a chance.
Giving him your time can give your children a chance to be in an intact family. (Of course, the costs can quickly turn too high for you, and for your children also, so be alert to when the costs start to outweigh the benefits).
Giving your time can spare you the pressures of having to go through finding a new partner and building a new life.

THE DECISION OF WHEN TO STOP WAITING FOR YOUR PARTNER IS A DIFFERENT DECISION FROM THE ONE ABOUT WHEN TO LEAVE HIM.

It is possible to leave your partner but remain attached to waiting for him. ... And just as you can leave but keep waiting, you can do the opposite: stay and move forward...

So I think here at MN we should honour the inherent wisdom of women who come here with destructive partners. Bottom line, I do believe they weigh up their options and they are doing what is best for them (whilst they gather strength, money, education, jobs - whatever the resources needed to move on).

OP posts:
onefewernow · 16/06/2013 18:19

How has he reacted, by the way?

ProphetOfDoom · 16/06/2013 20:37

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Lweji · 16/06/2013 20:44

Hey, wobbly, we told you so lots of us have been there.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing :D

It's different when we are inside and havent reached the tipping point.
Don't beat yourself up and think of how wonderful your future will be.

Roma2013 · 16/06/2013 20:51

Actually, I think 'giving him your time' can be read as 'biding your time' in lots of cases. Biding your time to squirrel away money; gather strength; make a clear plan; ensure your kids will feel safe; arm yourself; put support structures in place. Bide your time and think. And then leave if you want. Sounds sensible.

Sunnywithshowers · 16/06/2013 23:51

^^ I agree with Roma. It took me 9 months from making a decision about my (abusive) marriage to separating.

Onwards and upwards Wobbly. You are not a chump - you wanted to believe the best about the man you married.

Wellwobbly · 17/06/2013 09:25

Thank you so much for that message Roma.

You are right. In this time I have gone back to uni, got myself a job, developed a friendship network in a new place. I have got to the place where I can let him go w compassion and love, rather than reactive rage filled screaming.

I feel sorry for him. But not responsible for him any more. If he wants to live a shallow life of infatuation flattery and identity through work, that is his choice and not my fault.

I don't believe anyone will ever find me desirable again, but I know I am a good person and will do my best to be the most fulfilled human being I can be.

onefewernow · 17/06/2013 09:29

Wobbly, once you get him out of your life and return all of your focus to yourself, I think you may change your mind about how other men may see you.

It is the situation you have faced which is causing you to feel like this.

Keep going.

Wellwobbly · 18/06/2013 11:19

This support and kindness means a hell of a lot to me - thank you all SO MUCH

DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 18/06/2013 12:33

To reply to the original idea:

I think that overall LTB is used as people that post on here can often tell with the weight of experience that the woman is being abused and quite how damaging the situation is.

I think the 'you are selfish do it for the kids' attitude may crush the women's self esteem do completely it has the opposite effect than what's needed. A bit of a wake up call may occasionally be needed, but not blaming and castigating the OP until she feels like she's so shit and she doesn't have the strength to leave but there is no point anyway as she's such a shit mum. It smacks a bit of victim blaming.

I also think sometimes LTB can be used to harry the OP into a position where they can't continue to get support from the thread. Sometimes posters forget that the woman has to go on a journey to get to LTB and although its frustrating to be at the other end of the journey and want her to just get it, thats not how it works, and she needs posters to encourage her down that road.

And very rarely, but I've seen it happen unfortuneately, sometimes posters forget it isn't a story for their edifucatiob, with a safisfactorily timed ending. But this is rare!

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