Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

Concerned about attempted silencing/derailing of issues (via hunting/mocking)

999 replies

Halfway · 30/10/2012 16:25

I posted a thread in AIBU yesterday (perhaps foolishly), which thankfully did turn out to be very helpful, but also turned out to be extremely hurtful. And while overall, I gained a great deal of benefit/clarity/insight from it, I also spent a great deal of the day in tears and/or raging, and feeling generally crap about myself.

The post was about a friend, which led a lot of people to think I musn't be that emotionally invested, because it wasn't about me.

However, I was emotionally invested because I felt like I was watching my friend potentially walk into a very, very dangerous situation (which could end up in her hurt or even dead), and worse, I had the realisation that I could not stop her, but could only try to, and may very well fail.

In the context of that worry, these are the specific things I am complaining about:

a) sustained piss-taking/mocking (which not only humiliate/hurt me, but distracted and derailed the thread, with others jumping on board)

b) failure/refusal to stop the piss-taking/mocking when asked nicely to, and despite my making it clear that I was finding it painful

LET ME MAKE IT VERY CLEAR - I have nothing against genuine concerns, disagreements, and even disbelief of my thread, or specifics in my posts if these things are stated outright (not passive-aggressively buried in in-jokes), and if the posters simply make their position clear and report to MNHQ.

There is a valid need for this kind of watchdog activity, and I am in no way trying to stop that.

But the mocking, especially the sustained mocking by some posters, and 'ha ha' twisting of my dilemma into a funny joke conversation... well that hurt. That really hurt. And I've been seriously hurt in the past (raped, beaten to broken bones), so am no hand-wringing wallflower. It was triggering.

I think that behaviour is wrong, and I think it is going to hurt a lot more people other than me. Perhaps it is already hurting people who have severe issues of their own, and feel they cannot post because they will be laughed at.

Anyway, I'm concerned about it, deeply concerned, and still a bit disturbed myself (although much emotionally cooler).

I'm also not sure how this fits into "Relationships", so apologies if it seems weird here, but I seem to be inviting more suspicion by posting in AIBU, so here it is, and I'm grateful to anyone willing to listen.

OP posts:
amillionyears · 31/10/2012 22:54

Halfway, leave off MaryZcary, you are way out on that one.
She has been on here for years, and is a MN friend to most people on here.
If you can, it would be nice of you to apologise to her.

Halfway · 31/10/2012 22:54

Worra I am utterly comfortable with your contempt. It doesn't come close to how I feel about you. Wink

OP posts:
MaryZcary · 31/10/2012 22:55

No, I mean lurkers get hurt. Badly.

So if the thread is about rape, and asking for experiences, it brings up memories for the readers. And if the thread is looking for money, the lurkers feel guilty (and end up giving money). And if the thread is about abuse, it brings up memories of childhood abuse.

The most prolific trolls on here have brought horrible memories to the surface for so many people.

The "me, me, me" posters talk about things that really shouldn't be talked about outside a therapist's room.

I have never, ever, ever gone onto a thread in order to upset the op. Never. And I have never insinuated "troll" unless I have thought the op was being deliberately upsetting or hurtful. And I have never helped to derail a serious, looking for support thread.

I am (generally) a nice, supportive person. I give the benefit of the doubt a lot. I was very supportive initially here, until I realised that the op didn't actually want support. I'm not sure what she does want, still, after nearly 1,000 posts Confused.

IvorHughJackolantern · 31/10/2012 22:55

We need, roughly, another 60 self-obsessed ramblings from the op before she's finally filled this thread to bursting point and we're done. And if you start another one, you berk, I hope you'll find you're talking to yourself.

I can't read anymore of this 'learn and grow' shite.

Frankly, just reading on from my last post I feel like I need a bloody good wash.

This is one of the most horrible, infuriating load of shite I've seen since I joined MN a hundred years ago.

Biscuit
amillionyears · 31/10/2012 22:55

Halfway, go to bed now.

MmeLindor · 31/10/2012 22:57

Halfway
How can you be so indignant that you fill two threads about being hurt at the jokes made about your friend's situation but then dismiss Sarah's pain?

No one can read that post of Sarah's and not see how your comparison with rape jokes have hurt her. And brought horrible memories back to the fore.

Stop playing misery top trumps.

MaryZcary · 31/10/2012 22:57

Sorry Stratters Sad.

Are you ok?

Maybe we all need to hid this thread. And leave the op to wallow by herself, which seems to be what she wants.

Halfway · 31/10/2012 22:57

I'm not going anywhere.

If you don't like my 'self-obsessed ramblings', then hide them and go away.

Like I said, this 'take it or leave' it stuff goes two ways.

amillion I will apologise to MaryZ if she apologies for continuously accusing me of having sinister motives, and saying that hurting me is worth it for whatever her own agenda is.

OP posts:
SirSugar · 31/10/2012 22:59

I don't OP wants to Wallow by herself, she has an audience now

amillionyears · 31/10/2012 22:59

ScarahStraton Sad
I didnt know anything about all of that.
I am very glad that the man is in prison.

I think Halfway is very troubled, one way or another.

SirSugar · 31/10/2012 22:59

*think

IvorHughJackolantern · 31/10/2012 22:59

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

SirSugar · 31/10/2012 23:00

rocking on up to 1000....

Halfway · 31/10/2012 23:00

MmeLindor

She hasn't cared one jot about hurting me. Sooner or later, its going to come back on you.

I don't mean to hurt anyone else, but I'm done trying to carefully tiptoe around it.

If it happens, it happens. If someone raises it with me, and I respect them, I'll apologise.

Otherwise, its going to be 'take me or leave me' now.

OP posts:
amillionyears · 31/10/2012 23:00

Going to bed myself, goodnight.

ginhaghasaheadinherbag · 31/10/2012 23:01

Sorry (and yes this a post meds post)

But what I am now hearing is 'I will refer to everything in my experience, or in the possible future experience of anyone else I know as.... rapey rape rape rape why aren't people being more sensitive to ME?'

And that actually does upset me somewhat.

garlicbaguette · 31/10/2012 23:02

its going to be 'take me or leave me' now

Oh dear.

ginhaghasaheadinherbag · 31/10/2012 23:03

Also, stratters ----> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and then some.

scottishmummy · 31/10/2012 23:04

this thread has it all-psychobabble, gripes,arm chair lawyers,and cannibalism
can i remind you its meant to be so fraught. words on screen and all that
just needs the style and beauty lufflys to recommend nice foundation or slacks

MaryZcary · 31/10/2012 23:04

Halfway, I won't forgive you for belittling Stratters' experience.

I have gone from trying to be understanding to deciding you are an absolute uncaring excuse for a human being.

I am shocked by how little you care about anyone - not about your friend, not about anyone who has tried to support you here, not about anyone else at all.

Halfway · 31/10/2012 23:05

Nah, you're wrong ginha

I'm done asking people to be sensitive to me. The answer was a resounding 'NO' from certain posters.

I'm just done trying to be as carefully sensitive with those posters as I have been.

OP posts:
ninah · 31/10/2012 23:05

really hope your friend doesn't get eaten op, you must be worried out of your mind

EchoBitch · 31/10/2012 23:05

I have half a bottle of Chianti left,anyone else like a Wine ?

Halfway · 31/10/2012 23:06

MaryZ I'm comfortable with your contempt. I can't see myself forgiving you any time soon either.

OP posts:
MmeLindor · 31/10/2012 23:06

Sarah
I hope you are ok. Sorry that you have been upset by this.