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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationship: 12

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foolonthehill · 09/10/2012 14:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 07/11/2012 16:55

Thanks for thinking of me Charlotte. I havn't had much chance to post lately, but I have been lurking.

Counselling on monday was ok, we talked about my hoarding - basically he won't ever be happy until our house looks like the clean, minimalist home of friends up the road who have no children and no pets. So he's setting the bar impossibly high.

Saw my counsellor this morning, who was ace as usual. She wants me to start sticking up for myself more with people.

In the meantime, my days are spent at work which is really busy, my evenings are spent looking after DD, studying (failing miserably), and writing online articles as a way to make me some extra money. I will get out of debt. Tbh, I'm exhausted and flailing.

Promise I'll try and catch up soon. Don't let the bastards grind you down, ladies Smile

CharlotteCollinsislost · 07/11/2012 17:23

pony, you know what? You're right - I'm not lazy. The reason I haven't been doing so much recently is that my head is almost taken up with this EA stuff. So much so now that people are starting to ask if I'm ok.

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Shriek · 07/11/2012 17:41

agree Hilde

REAL change means acceptance (acceptance of the arrangements put in place for the benefit of the children), its not about us.

Shriek · 07/11/2012 17:45

Also, about the 'sorry' Hilde, I would imagine it is something for him to have to do to confront his behaviour as part of acknoledgement to what he's been doing and who to, however, you don't have to do anything atall. Notice, and close the door and forget it. I think you might feel that actions speak louder than words! it will be long long time possibly before an apology from him will actually mean anything, if ever again (like you say, passed that now).

sorry doesn't really mean anything in these situations.

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Shriek · 07/11/2012 18:00

Nini great to hear that you are getting ace support from your counsellor.

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Ginga66 · 07/11/2012 18:36

Why oh why do I keep feeling hurt when he acts in character. I know what he's like but I keep hoping against hope that he does care, deep down.
Not only is my back bad but I have this ongoing chest infection. After another night of little sleep and just half an hour in the day before I had to get ds1 from nursery I w feeling beyond rubbish.
So we met after work and I asked him if he could miss his Kung fu lesson tonight as I'm really under par. The first thing out of his mouth is "well are you going to cancel your activities on the weekend then?" I was speechless. I thought maybe his instinct might be "of course, are you ok?" but all he cares about is that he's missing his activity and that he ensures I don't get any even if I'm better which is tantamount to saying I hope you are still I'll so you can't do anything.
I havent even gone to bed as he can't manage the two of them. No, I am doing bath time and dinner etc.
I have cancelled my weekend plans even though I might be better because it's not worth the argument. He detests me getting anything if he doesn't and he thinks I have planned to be sick on his one day. He actually does two evenings and has shirked housework this week in favour of making a cd as a Christmas present which is fine but then he won't let me get a cleaner in when I am not physically able to Hoover etc.
Is it too much to ask for some tlc? I feel absolutely astounded and very very low as well as Ill.

hildebrandisgettinghappier · 07/11/2012 18:50

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TheSilverPussycat · 07/11/2012 19:33

Ginga I remember those kind of things v well. Each time you think - he's a decent person deep down, so he'll do the decent thing. Then he doesn't, and it takes your breath away.

Jenny I survived quite well for 3 decades and more. I managed to have a life despite being with Ex, who I loved but was an arse and I didn't realise it. And raise 2 kids to young adulthood. Now I am out - or rather he is - and HAPPIER than I've been in a long long time.

The first stage is just a process of waking up. This thread is a godsend, isn't it?

TimidLivid · 07/11/2012 19:52

Ginga hope u feel better , silver Hi, hilde it's me from a few post down . I do fantasise of having my own house where I can lay things out the small Dc can have their room back and I can save money and no one brings me down . I can see that would be great , this thread has kept me going a year , it's helpful .

ladygoingGaga · 07/11/2012 20:03

hilde. FW email made me angry, it is pathetic, he is clearly looking for you to be sorry for him, think he is changing, playing the victim.
Definitely stick to your guns, your reply is fine, the one thing I have learnt though is the shorter the better, he wants to engage you in conversation and explanation, your reply will be read by him but not digested, in his eyes he is the victim here, nothing you say in your email will change it.
I would personally reply no more than one sentence Smile

I went to my first counselling today, thought I would be fine, but couldn't hide the emotion when I admitted how emotionally drained I was, and how it was effecting me, something I barely admit to myself.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 07/11/2012 20:42

And it's quite a long process, that slow waking up. Read something today about the longer you've been in, the less you'll be able to think normally. Well, I've been in the relationship for 12 years, so those of you who've done 20 or 30 - I can't imagine how difficult it must've been to look at things differently.

My sticking point today is that he's apparently very nice when he's actually abusive. Like when he was saying yesterday that he really thinks I'm lazy and selfish. It was all very thoughtful and calmly presented. I too presented a calm exterior, but was rather more turbulent inside. Middle class abuse?

CharlotteCollinsislost · 07/11/2012 20:43

TimidLivid - that's a great name. I feel rather like that at the moment. There's anger rolling round inside me like I've not felt before. It's weird.

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TimidLivid · 07/11/2012 20:59

I hate that when things are really bad I go numb then by the time I get angry things are a bit better or he gets So sad and broken looking the anger goes .

CharlotteCollinsislost · 07/11/2012 22:11

Boiling - yes, that was the word I was actually looking for!

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Ginga66 · 07/11/2012 22:34

Shriek and mrs Oscar what you said about singing made me sad. Yes, he should be supportive but if he's not involved he won't even come to gigs as he gets jealous.
Just tried to iron things out but it only got worse. He maintains that tonight's argument my fault for me not immediately cancelling my weekend plans to demonstrate to his satisfaction that I am sick enough to warrant him missing his Kung fu lesson. Wtf? I mean on what planet does your partner want you to justify your being ill?
When I talk to him he either plays on the iPad or closes - yes actually closes his eyes or walks away.
He has gone upstairs to play Kung fu again leavin me with baby again.
I can totally relate to comment about neat house. Ultimately he wants to live in a batchelor pad I think.
Oh and about the timid sex thing Jenny, I've been accused of being a prude if I don't do what he wants but if I ask for something I'm being demanding.
It's all total controlling hypocrisy.
Like if I try and have a shower I'm being selfish as kids need getting ready, if he does it he needs it. When he is I'll the world stops but when I am I am choosing to be ill as it's interfering with his plans.
I'm trying to get my head around this but it stuns me how little respect he has for me, how he treats me like an irritation, how I have to beg for everything and even then he guilt trips me constantly.
Andi can't believe how any of you have the same experience with th music thing only having his played? Are they all from the same blueprint. It's actually terrifying how similar all these ea men are.
Ds1 got very upset tonight and I told dh this was our arguing but of course it's all my fault. If only I didn't react to the shitty things he says all would be well.
I feel numb, mentally and physically, sorry about rant but I am so so I'll and tired and depressed now.

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ponygirlcurtis · 07/11/2012 22:45

hilde, I think I was right when I said that his homework was nothing more than a tick list. He's not taking it in at all - like you said, he apologises to you then continues on pressuring you, manipulating you, etc, etc. He has no sight at all of the things he's doing. As Shriek rightly says - he's doing the apologising for himself, so there's no requirement on you to actually accept it.

Ginga, read back fool's list of characteristics for someone in an abusive relationship - the ability to hope is one of the things that keeps us in it. I am the same, the smallest flicker is all it takes to keep it going. But try to see that hope as something separate.

TimidLivid - welcome, glad this thread has kept you going for so long, I lurked for a loooong time before I left my NSDH.

Charlotte, he's not being nice, he's just using a reasonable voice to disguise it and confuse you about what he's saying. I think sometimes it has more impact that way, because you really think about the dissonance between how he appears and what he's saying.

Ginga66 · 07/11/2012 22:49

Yes hide that's exactly it. Today he turned all the sheets pink as he put red thing in machine. I just laughed it off and said try washing again. Now if I had done that I would be told just how useless I am for not checking first.
Oh and my personal favourite...if I ask for support I am proving that we should not have had ds2 and I am not 'coping'. Extremely hurtful inflammatory things to say but of course he's right. Our baby is beautiful, how dare he! I am so angry and so upset and I tried for two whole weeks to just put up and shut up and he's exactly the bloody same. Wtf do I do now?

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