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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationship: 12

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foolonthehill · 09/10/2012 14:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 10/10/2012 11:04

hilde, think you're right, there could be a big explosion on the way. I can feel it in the air, I bit like before a storm.

No emergency strategy as such, but he doesn't have a doorkey at the moment (workman from last week still has it) so I can keep him out if need be. Waiting to see what advice my counsellor can give me today. And tbh, I really don't care, whatever he does as long as DD doesn't see.

Your FW sounds so bloody patronising, btw. Keep laughing at him if it helps you feel better, and keep him at arm's length. As you say, early days yet. Smile

hildebrandisgettinghappier · 10/10/2012 11:15

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 10/10/2012 11:26

Indeed, much easier to be outside looking in!

MrsOscarPistorius · 10/10/2012 12:15

Nini is your FW trying to provoke you into starting a confrontation so that he can retaliate?

Hilde your FWs behaviour exactly mirrors a case study in the Lundy Bancroft book about an abuser who twisted what he was told in the program to get his estranged partner to let him back in. Beware!

I was another idiot who promised to obey, against the vicar's advice. I thought that as long as H would love honour and cherish me it would be fine, but I dont think he's kept his side of the bargain. There were warning signs with my H long before we got married but things really got out of whack once I fell pregnant with DC1.

foolonthehill · 10/10/2012 12:22

FW: Re minimal contact, I have been told that it is normal for the victim to be very angry and want to have little to do with me, but over time increased contact is good as it will help to show how I am changing, and to start to build trust etc,

NO proper abusers programme would actually give this advice!!!! Abusers programmes are not trying to restore relationships. The programme is for abusers to take responsibility for their actions and to RESPECT OTHERS BOUNDARIES

your FW is displaying the same problems but with a new script. prepare for the onslaught.....

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ponygirlcurtis · 10/10/2012 13:00

Nini, I thought exactly the same as hilde and MrsOP when I read what you'd posted, that he's building up to something (and it'll all be your fault). Hope we're all wrong. Sad

hilde, they really don't get it, do they. The fact that they have to be told that we need space is in itself an indicator of how much they lack. But that two weeks seems a reasonable amount of time to them, and so it's now fine to start asking questions about when all this silly 'needing space' business will go away, soon surely yes? Beggars belief! I told NSDH that I needed 'a few months'. He started asking about meeting up again within about two weeks too. Hmm
I do wish there was some kind of programme for NSDH, but there doesn't seem to be anything here in Scotland at all (barring Edinburgh). Sad

foolonthehill · 10/10/2012 13:04

I told FWH I needed 2 years of sustained change and demonstrable improvement before I would even consider letting him back in.....in writing. Didn't penetrate the concrete at all, helped me to stay strong though!!

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foolonthehill · 10/10/2012 13:05

PS I year up next week (Shock Shock!!!!!!!!!!) No signs of any improvement, no surprise.

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LemonDrizzled · 10/10/2012 13:10

Hilde your feelings are a very valid guide to what is best for you. I knew I had to avoid FW as much as possible when I left. After TWO YEARS I am now calm and able to deal with him, But I foolishly told him that contact was getting easier. He started inviting himself over to discuss the divorce/finances until eventually he managed to contrive a Mr Victim misunderstanding. GRRRR.

Arms length is best. email is best. I just go along with family occasions as my daughter thinks we should be "practising for weddings!"

You are doing really well and you don't owe him anything. He has to earn his chances and if you decided never to give him one again that would be your right after the way he treated you. Don't let him manipulate you into anything you don't want to do. He will try!!

hildebrandisgettinghappier · 10/10/2012 13:22

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 10/10/2012 14:35

fool - 1 year? Congratulations!

TheSilverPussycat · 10/10/2012 15:45

You can't get much more 'early days' than before the course even starts!

foolonthehill · 10/10/2012 19:12

probably Berverley Engels the Emotionally Abusive relationship. because it is non-confrontational, accepts that men and women can abuse, that marriages can be either one sidedly abusive or evenly abusive it is not as challenging (or negative) to read as an abuser.

this is the one most perp progs/individual counsellors recommend. I think it is a mistake myself.

it led to me being accused of EA to DC by FWH

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BibiBlocksberg · 10/10/2012 20:44

Congratulations on the first year fool (can't believe that much time has gone by already)

Seems like only yesterday I was reading your posts and keeping everything crossed that you'd find the courage to leave.

Nothing else helpful from me tonight sending much strenght to all.

foolonthehill · 10/10/2012 20:55

Can't quite believe it myself. What a journey! And for our own complicated reasons we are not any nearer the courts officially declaring us over. Never the less, for those of you still on the dark side of the moon, I have not regretted it, hard as it is to be alone and life really is so much better......

have a (non-alcoholic) Wine or even some bubbles with me to celebrate the journey thus far and to toast the journey yet to come.

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hildebrandisgettinghappier · 10/10/2012 21:03

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 10/10/2012 21:09

I'll toast with you fool Smile

Yes in answer r.e. my NSDH, I think he is trying to provoke me. I will rise above it, I will rise above it. Saw my counsellor today too, she thinks Monday gave me some moments of clarity and I now need to be totally honest next week about what I want.

He's working late so I'm sat studying with Dcat curled up next to me.

tryingsoonflying · 10/10/2012 21:46

Hi Pony thanks for your thoughts and good wishes. I honestly don't think I have the nerve to get him out. But I am worried I am making the wrong decision. But also am thinking, much as I love our home, a house is just a house and I've been bloody unhappy here. I hope I can get it back and there aren't too many complications. The thought keeps popping into my head (corny, but it's what literally pops up repeatedly); "I choose life". So I guess any road that leads to it is ok. I am just worried that in 2 years I'll be thinking ,"I should never have left house, should have held firm and kicked him out" - but the today me is thinking, "But How????" PS do I sound like a nutter Grin

Fool yay for a year's landmark, I aspire to your achievement. Also your massive achievement in creating this space that has helped and freed so many people - you've done a remarkable thing with this thread. Thank you. xxx

Nini take care, lovey, hope explosion doesn't happen but maybe make contingency plans. Thinking of you.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 10/10/2012 22:28

We have a (male) friend staying at the moment. DD1 said today (when NSDH was not around), "(Friend) is much more helpful with things like getting ready for school than Daddy is." AIBU to have said that that was true but it wasn't nice to compare? Wanted to applaud her for commenting on the elephant in the room...

bertiebassett · 10/10/2012 22:30

trying you don't sound like a nutter at all!

I know exactly what you mean about the house/home distinction. I feel that if I stuck it out I could probably end up keeping this house...however it is just a house. We haven't lived here long. Most of that time I've not felt loved by FW. There good memories of DS growing up here...but that's it.

fool I'm raising a virtual glass of Wine to you...you are an inspiration.

MaggieMay05 · 11/10/2012 01:20

Rubbish day today! DS had a full on tantrum at a new playgroup I tried out in front of all the yummy mummys in their perfect outfits, preened hair and their perfectly behaved babies.....wanted the ground to swallow me up as they looked down their noses at me :-( I left early Blush Blush Blush.....don't think I will be returning as me with my bad hair day and top covered in fresh toddler dribble and snot didn't really fit in!! Had taken a lot for me to try going to a playgroup again as had a few bad experiences when I took my DD to a few when she was younger - mainly clicks of mums ignoring new mums so was nervous going today. I'm quite shy in social situations anyway so DSs meltdown killed it altogether! He goes to my DDs nursery one day a week so gets to socialise with other toddlers but I just wanted to try and do something with him too and meet other mums. We live in my FWs hometown and my real friends are hundreds of miles away. I have struggled to make new friends here due to my shyness but also lack of confidence (prob due to the years of FW behaviour too) Anyhow life goes on....i might try swimming with him and see how I get on before joining a toddler swimming group. To top it off FW pestered me for some bedroom action earlier. Without going into too much detail...i just don't feel anything anymore with him and can't wait for it to be over. Hes never been the best at it anyway (thinks he is) Wink Luckily I managed to keep the telly on and was able to keep one eye on the new DCI Banks programme which was much more entertaining!! Grin

ps - Fool a year?!! You are a real inspiration, thank you for still being here for us all at the beginning of our journeys Thanks x

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 11/10/2012 06:40

Maggie - Shock and :o at keeping the telly on!

MrsOscarPistorius · 11/10/2012 07:07

morning all. Struggling here - really don't know how single parents cope with it all. H is away at the moment. Childminder was ill yesterday so I had to take a day off work. I had an evening meeting of a local group so had to get a babysitter. DS1 was sick while I was out so had to rush home (and apologise to sitter). Couldn't get to sleep tossing and turning and then DD was up at 5.30am (H normally gets up with her). Will have to stay home from work again today with DS.

Bad as things are I just cant see how I can manage on my own with no family support nearby, I just feel trapped and exhausted :(

CharlotteCollinsislost · 11/10/2012 07:44

Sounds grim, MrsP. Presume you're not going out again tonight? Take it an hour at a time - actually for the first year of dd3's life, I made it through sometimes by getting through 5 minutes at a time!

Hope the day's better than your fear.

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