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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationship: 12

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foolonthehill · 09/10/2012 14:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
MaggieMay05 · 05/11/2012 22:37

Hi Hilde, Mrs OP and all other lovely ladies. Things have been surprisingly peaceful this avo/eve. He took DD to the fireworks which she loved, got back home on time Shock and has now gone to bed no rows etc. We are going to my mums tomorrow for a week so I have all our bits secretly stashed to pack in car when he's gone to work. Passports, birth certs, DC newborn baby keepsakes, christening gowns, my accounts/bills/mortgage paperwork etc etc. I know now at least my treasured stuff will be safe. Detaching back on plan. Countdown clock to escaping back on countdown. And main thing we are safe. FW back in false sense of security.

Gaga feel for you. Hope he settles down soon. I bet he is reacting to the fact that you are detaching really well and probably didn't like it that you went away for weekend and enjoyed yourself. Take care ((hugs))

ladygoingGaga · 05/11/2012 22:48

maggie thank you for your kind words, well done for the plans, and good luck in keeping FW none the wiser until D-day. I think everyone is with you in spirit

Shriek · 05/11/2012 22:49

oh Maggie I wouldn't think (and neither would anyone else) for one minture that you/us would do anything but protect and fiercely defend your/our babies. I did find the article Niome posted an eyeopener, esp the way system is changing in recognition of the abuse inflicted on children when they witness abuse to mother who is trapped. I hadn't realised the extent of it until I read that which is saddening truly.

and 2nd your comment, thanks for posting.

Is it calmer at the moment?

sending strength to all to get through, and for ignoring all FWittery! was going to swear so going to stop there and get some sleep before I start fretting again!

MaggieMay05 · 05/11/2012 23:07

Hi Charlotte sorry I missed your earlier post! ((Hugs))

Hi Shriek I just don't trust the system at all to be honest which is why I think I am quite reluctant to involve the police etc in my situation. One too many times you hear about kids getting taken into care. I just don't think there is enough awareness and seriousness about EA, FA and mild PA. Anyway enough of rant! Everything has been very calm here this avo/eve. Its only because I am playong the game and he is "in control" again (he's not-just thinks he is). Hope you sleep well and don't fret-you are amazing and one of the greatest on here to give us all advice. You would have not got to the stage you are at without being the strong lady that you are ((hugs))

Going to try and sleep now too, long (but happy) drive tomorrow with DC to mum and dads house Grin Take care all xx

tryingsoonflying · 05/11/2012 23:26

Hi lovely thread friends,

Maggie am thinking of you and hoping you are ok. Fantastic plan, well done re docs and precious stuff.

Shriek and Pony thanks for thoughts re offer on flat - I made offer today! I then had hosp appt (routine) so missed the call back from agent, so I will call him in morning - I imagine a bit of negotiating as my offer was quite low as flat above budget. Doc at hosp told me that my illness was medium severe (though I'm not sick at mo) and that I need to take into account that I am way under normal. No bloody wonder, I told her (politely) and explained briefly re stress domestically.

Lady are you married to my fw too Wink - that's exactly what I get on the rare occasions I have a bit of time with friends.

Strength and hugs to all xxx

CharlotteCollinsislost · 06/11/2012 07:11

Just after I posted last night, fw came down and had a little rant about "can't see what you do all day" - is that in abuser bingo?! or is just in mn crap husbands bingo? Well in the past I would've defended myself and ended up getting upset, but not this time (you'd all've been proud!). I said, "Just because you're stressed and busy doesn't mean I should be," and "I'm sure if you were me, you'd do things a lot differently. No response. He's going away in 3 days, and I'm a bit worried that he'll be too reasonable before he goes, enabling me to normalise it all again.

But I do feel more and more like I belong on this thread, so that's progress!

Shriek · 06/11/2012 09:24

go girl (to Charlotte ) very proud of your calm deflection! Its is a great strengthener in our belief in ourselves and Fwittery being here and just hearing what others have said/behaviours its a great convincer, it can be seen so much clearer when someone else says it! Same as its easier to know what to do in a situation than it is to do it (to Maggie thanks again to you , lovely words, 'sounding strong' - hoping it'll. convince me I am!!!) I have deep mistrust of system too, and feel fearful, I think you voice a common fear amongst us all. (just mopping tears from your hugs and lovlinesses).

Wish you a really good week of R&R with your mum (and your things all safe).

Trying fingers so tightly crossed for this for you!!! Such inspirational news for all to hear. You are doing it!! Can someone give you some physica support around the around whilst you are so unwell, so you can at least get a bit more rest, its all so exahausting, (as you know! doh!)

((hugs to you all)) and many better days to come xxx

ponygirlcurtis · 06/11/2012 09:59

Fantastic about the flat trying - it's a huge step forward. I bet you feel excited/nervous/everything in between! Fingers crossed the negotiating isn't too bad and you can get it a bit cheaper. Once you know you are going, you'll barely be able to wait to get out. Sorry to hear you're not well either. Sad

Charlotte, I second Shriek's proudness - great work! You'll have him scratching his head. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he ups the 'niceness' before he goes, and spends his time away in constant contact with you making sure you are still where he needs you to be. But instead of normalising it, think 'Bingo!!!! Full House!' Wink

Good luck with your drive today Maggie, will be thinking about you. Have a good break and reassess things once you're out of there and safely at your mum's.

kimberlina', how's things? Also haven't heard much from bertie* - hope your FW isn't being unbearable now that he's got your documents. Although I suspect he might be being just that. Sad

Everyone else - stay strong. Thanks

ponygirlcurtis · 06/11/2012 10:01

Woops, too much bold! Blush

TheSilverPussycat · 06/11/2012 10:07

But we need to be bold!

After the awfulness it seems you are moving forward, all. It really is so worth it, I am (whisper it!) happy - and so will you be.

ponygirlcurtis · 06/11/2012 10:28

Haha, Silver, you are right! I nearly said as much. DS1's dad's uncle (very Irish) used to call me 'a bold girl' - Ah, yer a bold gerl, that one, sure ye arrrrrre. I used to secretly quite like being described as that!!!

And so glad you are happy. Don't whisper it - SHOUT IT!!!! Wink It gives us all hope and strength.

Shriek · 06/11/2012 11:07

Falling apart. So tired of holding it all up trying to be such a strong support for DC - now showing shocking effects of everything that been going on. Do iget the school involved, like you Maggie so fearful of the wrong people rocking upand doing it so badly as we know has been done time and time again and the kids and mother suffer. FW does not have PR so would have to apply to courts, and then CFACASS would be involved, which I've heard good things about. Being up every night trying to sooth and reassure, but still cannot take away the pain or anxiety around how this feels to be a child in the middle of a war it seems. I still stand by the motto love your child more than you hate your ex, keeps me focussed when I can feel myself angered by the result of his selfish and cruel actions, this pulls me back to the centre. Wants to hear what a fantastic father he is , hangs on hearing the words 'I love you daddy', cos then he's the best dad, but he doesn't know any of the fronts and efforts to please and 'stepping around on eggshells' to keep daddy from raging.

MrsOscarPistorius · 06/11/2012 11:13

Maggie good luck for your trip to your Mums and all your plans. Stay safe.
Flying fingers crossed you get the flat.

Just a thought to everyone, do you all take precautions agains snooping FWs -clear internet history and keep Lundy books hidden away etc? My laptop is password protected (its a work one) and my copy of Lundu is at a friend's house. I strongly suspect FW of reading my texts on phone but have been careful lately not to say anything inflammatory by text.

Feeling down today. Yesterday FW did not give DD her breakfast and get her dressed as we had agreed he would (have had to negotiate every single contribution towards parenting and housework he does), but went out for a run instead and then went to work without asking me if I would do it instead.I didnt mention it thinking I will let him off this time but mention it of it happens again.

I rang my DSis nearly in tears last night after row over TV. but I think she thought I was making a fuss over nothing. I ended up making the peace with FW last night as couldnt face another night of getting the cold shoulder. I told him I didnt mean to "pick a fight" as he accused me...trouble is he just took me by surprise flying off the handle and I am like a rabbit in the headlights when he gets like that and cant think/act assertively. Back to strained normality now as I have apologised but he was still being moody this morning.

hildebrandisgettinghappier · 06/11/2012 12:48

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arthriticfingers · 06/11/2012 13:07

So, Hilde, are you going to take FW up on his offer to pay for you to go to see the psychiatrist you so clearly need (NOT)?
Very generous. My own FW just wanted me taken off to the local funny farm. Wink

TheSilverPussycat · 06/11/2012 13:15

I felt a chill at the thought of being supported and protected by such a man.
My own mh which has completely gone now, resulted in me being seen by secondary mh services, this allowed FWEx to spin the line that he had to cocklodge be around at home all the time cos poor little me couldn't look after my kids, casting himself in the role of supporter and protector. TOSSER!

from HAPPY SILVER Grin

CharlotteCollinsislost · 06/11/2012 13:16

Be fun to rearrange all that, I think, hilde...

I can only say that I have never once deliberately set out to support her and protect her. I want you to know that I love to make her feel worthless, inferior or to hurt her.

Does that ring more true? :o Oh I'm so childish. Glad it leaves you cold - good for you!

trying - missed the news on my first read-through; hope you get it at a price you can afford!

Nini, how are you? And is Ana still around? Last I heard, she was going to her interview...

TheSilverPussycat · 06/11/2012 13:17

*my mh hasn't gone, btw, it's come back Wink

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MrsOscarPistorius · 06/11/2012 13:28

Hilde your FWs email made my skin crawl, so I dont know what effect it must have on you. You sound incredibly strong and resilient - go girl!

You are so right that its death by a thousand paper cuts for me. Also he is fine as long as I dont challenge him on anything thats "his territory" like the TV. Shame he doesnt have the same boundaries when it comes to not eating the kids' food and snacks, the DS have taken to hiding their sweets from him as he will just eat their stuff if he feels like it.

ponygirlcurtis · 06/11/2012 13:30

Shriek - so sorry to hear you're having a bad day. It's horrible to think of your child stepping on eggshells around him, we all know how that feels. I don't know what the answer is, but it sounds like you'll need to speak to someone - better for you to do it yourself, contacting who you want and getting things rolling on your own terms, than having it foist upon you if he decides to try and get PR by going through the courts. Stay strong.

MrsOP - oooooooh yes, the FW who thinks it's ok to snoop on us (but lord help us if we suggest he isn't trustworthy). In the end, before I left, I became a dribbling ball of paranoia. I hid the Lundy book somewhere different every few weeks. I deleted all my texts as soon as I'd read them or sent them. I started using incognito browsing and using the onscreen keyboard to log into anything (as I was convinced he had key logging software on my laptop). I also found myself refusing to have conversations about him in the house (eg with my mum) and standing on chairs to look in light fittings as I was sure the place was bugged. Some of this may have been my shattered mental state, but he liked to suggest/hint that he was 'listening' or knew what I'd said to so-and-so in an email, so it wasn't all just me. Do all you can to keep yourself safe and keep what's private private.

MrsOP, that's exactly the reaction he was banking on - he therefore gets away with not doing what he'd promised, and there is no comeback. There was a scenario in Lundy about just that, about a man creating an argument and storming off on the night he was due to do the dishes, and no-one dared call him for it, or ever reminded him to do them again - it's win-win for him. It's all part of the abuse. I was the same, I often likened myself to a rabbit - my brain would shut down and I couldn't think of anything to say, and I'd end up apologising just to stop the argument. It's not good. Your sister has never been there, so she doesn't know, it's no her fault (although she could perhaps be a little more empathetic?).

So, hilde and fingers - I think it's the funny farm for all of us (our FWs all think we are the ones that are truly mad, after all), maybe they could build us a big wing with a daily diet of chocolate and wine, as long as we were there without FWs it would be heaven! Grin
Hilde, am Shock that he dares say 'I have never once deliberately set out to make her feel worthless, inferior or to hurt her'. I think that's an out-and-out lie. I know they don't go around thinking 'tomorrow I'll hurt her' or 'tomorrow I'll put her down and really make her feel bad', but it's a choice they make in that instant. It's still a choice. He's still not seeing it. Does he think he accidentally called you horrible names and woops, tripped over and assaulted you by mistake? Now, if his response to your dad had been something like: you are completely right, I am utterly ashamed of myself, I've done some truly awful things and put hilde and the kids through hell. I'm trying to get myself back o the right track, hopefully hilde will still be there for me at the end but if she's not I'll understand, she's a fantastic and strong woman.... but he's still whinging about himself. That's all I hear - me, me, me (how many times does he use 'I'???). And hilde needs to see someone too, cause obviously she's the one who's actually bonkers. How bloody blinking dare he!!!!! I am increasingly irate on your behalf hilde, to the point where I am laughing at how angry I am! I don't often get angry! [anger] I may turn green any moment. Envy Oh dear, I have...

Sorry for the rant, I had to get all that out! Have you heard from his programme at all, had any updates or anything? Maybe it would be worth taking him up on the offer for the older kids to talk to someone and get out what they are feeling?

ponygirlcurtis · 06/11/2012 13:31

See, that big rant took me so long, loads of posts have been made in the meantime. Now I can go and read all them and starting composing my next epic missive... Blush

ponygirlcurtis · 06/11/2012 13:32

See, that big rant took me so long, loads of posts have been made in the meantime. Now I can go and read all them and starting composing my next epic missive... Blush

ponygirlcurtis · 06/11/2012 13:33

Oh lordy, I'm all over the place! Think I'd better go and have some lunch before I break the internet or summat.