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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 11

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foolonthehill · 10/09/2012 10:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
BibiBlocksberg · 06/10/2012 19:45

Anastasia - ungrateful fucker! Try not to feel too bad about being taken in by him - you're on your way now with knowing exactly what he is.

I'm reminded of something I read ages ago - it said that planes never fly on a straight path to get to their destination, there are all sorts of zig zags although it looks straight to the on the ground observer.

And so it is with our own life journeys - this latest episode is merely a zig zag to destination 'Fuck you, don't ever contact me again airport'

BibiBlocksberg · 06/10/2012 19:47

Sorry for multiple posts, still have to keep typing short or I lose it all.

Bertie - I don't know what to say but my heart lurched at your update of dear cat's burial, thinking of you.

AnastasiaSteele · 06/10/2012 19:48

I like that bibi

BibiBlocksberg · 06/10/2012 20:07

Trays up bitches :)

(from an old joke I like where an air steward has been patiently trying to persuade a female passenger to raise her tray for landing.

She repeatedly refuses and tells the steward 'in my country I'm a princess'

'Well, in my country I'm known as a queen so tray up b' :)

Just seemed to fit here.

bertiebassett · 06/10/2012 20:22

Nice one bibi!

It's not just Dcat dying...More another bit of sadness in my life.

Don't get me wrong...I have plenty to be grateful for and I know there are millions of people in horrendous situations that don't bear comparison...

But in the past 18 months I've lost my DF to cancer, found out I can't have any more DCs, had a failed IVF, nearly lost my DB to cancer (ongoing), realised my 'D'H is a FW, had pneumonia and anaemia, and now lost Dcat1...

Now I think I'd just like FW to move out so I can have a bit of peace.

AnastasiaSteele · 06/10/2012 20:28

Jesus wept Bertie that's horrendous. Please don't underestimate that. That is alot on your plate and lots to griev for.

ponygirlcurtis · 06/10/2012 20:28

Thinking of you bertie. You need to be kind to yourself tonight (and in the next few days). Let yourself lose it tonight if that's what you need to do. You need to grieve your DCat, and other grief might come into it to.

Sending hugs.

ponygirlcurtis · 06/10/2012 20:34

Oh God bertie, I posted that about other grief before I saw your post, thinking that the awful situation with your FW would come into how you're feeling tonight. But you've had such an awful time of it. Sad I'm so sorry to hear all that. You deserve so much better than your FW.

We're here for you if you need us.

bertiebassett · 06/10/2012 21:12

Thanks...but I must apologise for my last post. I had a 'pity me' moment. I mustn't dwell on negative things...I'm a little prone to depression and I have to avoid that at all costs.

I should be grateful for what I have...I'm educated, have a good job, a gorgeous DS, a wonderful DM, fantastic friends...

My life has never been boring...it's always been challenging...I won't look back with any regrets.

ponygirlcurtis · 06/10/2012 21:44

bertie do not apologise. Today is a really hard day for you, how could you not get a bit overwhelmed by it, and all the other crappy things that have happened recently? It would be stranger if you didn't. I'm prone to depression as well, but we are still allowed to feel down and feel low sometimes.

Like I said, be kind to yourself. You're allowed a wobble or seven.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 06/10/2012 21:51

Isn't it more likely to exacerbate the depression if you don't give yourself time to grieve? 'Dwelling on negative things', as far as I understand it, is a healthy part of coming to terms with them and preparing yourself to move on with them.

Do give yourself time and patience. And kindness.

AnastasiaSteele · 06/10/2012 22:20

What pony and charlotte said

I'm guessing FW doesn't give you a chance to 'have' problems

bertiebassett · 06/10/2012 22:33

Thanks charlotte & pony...I do understand about giving myself time to grieve for all the things I've lost recently. I'm having regular counselling to deal with it all. For me personally, it feels like a fine line between grieving and sinking into depression IYKWIM?

ana absolutely right. He's supportive for a bit and then it's 'get on with it'. Actually...if I've read your posts correctly...I believe myself and STBXH are in the same profession as you. It's not a profession that's always conducive to empathy and understanding...

tryingtoescape · 06/10/2012 23:10

Hi Bertie so very sorry about dcat. I lost my precious dcat several years ago and was in terrible pain. You're totally entitled to grive for your friend and cuddly listener who loves you without conditions. I think pets are specially important to us EA sufferers. Hugs to you.

tryingtoescape · 06/10/2012 23:11

sorry grieve not grive

tryingtoescape · 06/10/2012 23:21

Today I saw a lady wearing a teeshirt saying TGI Monday. I wonder if she's one of us?!? Having a miserable time with fw though brief interludes of sunshine when he's not around. Today screamed at me in front of kids for something trivial then screamed again later, blaming me for "making" him shout and look bad in front of kids. The terrible sin I'd committed was trying out my new duster (one of those hairy glove type things, kids and I were having a giggle about it, God forbid eh?) on something in room while he was watching footie. Not blocking tv or anything.

I actaully laughed at him which infuriated him even more. Later he said he was going to undermine every single rule I have with kids and destroy everything I watch on tv (I watch once a week - downton - otherwise it's his footie and luckily I have my own space to read and do MN etc, not partic into telly but he was desperately trying to think of a way to hurt me, pathetic sod).

So trivial yet such a massive screaming overreaction from him. From now on I have decided to treat him (in my mind) as seriously disturbed person who I will ignore but make it my life's mission to escape from.

I am now going to name change to something more positive. However, having had so much support from you lot as trying I will miss that part. Am thinking of tryingtofly.

AnastasiaSteele · 06/10/2012 23:25

That would be a lovely new name. You are a Bad Person because You Dust. You know that, right? Pfft. Honestly. Never their fault.

I am such an anomaly I think because I see FW more in the week than the weekend, so my weekend can be quite peaceful.

tryingsoonflying · 06/10/2012 23:27

Or how about this

AnastasiaSteele · 06/10/2012 23:28

Oooh likey

tryingsoonflying · 06/10/2012 23:32

tryingtofly was taken Wink. Yes, I am a bitch from hell for trying out a duster and having an innocent giggle with kids, eh!

I am very glad your have peaceful weekends, Ana Smile. Please don't feel bad about phone gate. We've all done similar - see baking discussions. It's so easy from outside to say dump the bastard but we humans are a bit more complex than that and there are reasons we find it hard to escape. But we will! We're a powerful team on here, I think.

tryingsoonflying · 06/10/2012 23:34

PS crap typing due to cat being v entitled and taking up all space, so typing on laptop at funny angle, probable backache alleviated by Wine thankfully, medicinal of course.

AnastasiaSteele · 06/10/2012 23:36

Thanks, I honestly do feel so much stronger since I discovered this thread and EA reading. Before I was bewildered and thought I was going mental. I keep having flashbacks to red flags I didnt notice at the time. I tell you the education my future children will have about relationships, because I didn't have a clue.

AnastasiaSteele · 06/10/2012 23:37

I have gin Smile

tryingsoonflying · 06/10/2012 23:43

cheers Smile

ChaosCatt · 07/10/2012 01:15

Hello! can I talk to you all. You all seem so friendly and to be honest that seems lovely at the moment. My P is not a D at all. But I had begun to switch off from him and he was working long hours. That was great. But his job has changed, he will be close to home and part time. I thought this would help us, but after the past few days I think it will literally drive me mad. I have begun working from home and was just getting into swing and now he's destroyed that.
I am beginning to question my own sanity.

Please help - any ideas you can give me to dissociate / not care / stay sane. He undermines me subtly, the first day he spent pestering me for sex, then I asked for peace so the second day (even in my presence) he blanked me totally. I got no work done yesterday as we just rowed, then last night heart felt tears from him about how I was destroying him in bed cause I'm so unpredictable, and today speaking to me in this "Quiet, annoyed" voice so that half the time I couldn't hear him, i REALLY lost it, which was scary. Now I am the total whacko of course, and whenever he looks at me it's with the "look" (slight disgust), and he barely speaks only in his "you've been naughty" voice.
He mutters about me as soon as he leaves the room, obviously for effect. IT is all stupid stuff, but I cant bear it. I think i am now being punished, so it diverts attention? My head hurts with this.

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