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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 11

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foolonthehill · 10/09/2012 10:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
NiniLegsInTheAir · 04/10/2012 15:45

Reading your post about your FW saying he 'didn't mean it' with great interest Bertie, my NSDH does the same. It's always 'I didn't mean it like that' or 'you took it the wrong way'. Never him! I've put it down to him not owning his shitty behaviour but it being someone else's my fault all the time. I've not attempted to tackle this at counselling yet but I will next week!

Some of you might remember my NSDH's physical behaviour towards me in April being a trigger to my coming here, but he isn't aggressive in the bedroom. Much more submissive usually, he's a bit self-conscious he doesn't have anything to brag about.

Having another terrible day at work, so exhausted. Due to the bedroom being done we're staying with friends for the next few nights so I won't be around as much. At least being around other people will mean he's on good behaviour.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 04/10/2012 15:46

Doh. he doesn't have anything to brag about. Smile

AnastasiaSteele · 04/10/2012 15:51

I hope you have a peaceful couple of days nini.

Everything is always someone else's fault - yup, I know that excuse!

CharlotteCollinsislost · 04/10/2012 15:54

Ana, do you think you need to persuade him that breaking up is his idea? Maybe picking your nose in public, or being really boring? There must be something you can do to make him run for the hills! :o

ForSaletotheHighestBidder · 04/10/2012 16:01

LOL at the always someone elses fault. Oh yeah. Usually mine.
Try asking him "If I am truly awful and horrible and a mental case and useless and stupid and annoying and drive you to drink, why are you still here?". That usually shuts my FW up.

bertiebassett · 04/10/2012 17:26

Sad poorly Dcat just passed away Sad

MaggieMay05 · 04/10/2012 17:57

Hugs to you Bertie sometimes the loss of a pet can feel worse than any other grief.I still find it hard to think about loosing our dog, especially as he used to stick up for me in rows etc. Thinking of you, she will be waiting at the rainbow bridge for you. Take care xx

BibiBlocksberg · 04/10/2012 18:58

:( :( oh Bertie, so sorry about your cat :( :(

Condolences and run free at rainbow bridge little one!

rainbowsbridge.com/poem.htm

Warning! That link makes me cry like a child and I haven't lost either of my beloved cats yet.

arthriticfingers · 04/10/2012 18:58

Hugs Bertie :(

ponygirlcurtis · 04/10/2012 19:37

Oh bertie, I'm so so sorry to hear that. Sending you many hugs. Thinking of both you and your other lovely DCat. Thanks

TheSilverPussycat · 04/10/2012 19:46

Bibi it makes me cry too. I have a fair few furry friends waiting there...

So sorry to hear about DCat, bertie.

AnastasiaSteele · 04/10/2012 19:48

Bertie I am sorry about your cat.

Charlotte, I think that's the only way to be honest. I suspect he's planning his actual exit. He never leaves a relationship without a new one on the horizon. Hmmm. That makes me feel sad, stupid I know. Going to cheer myself up with chocolate and a tea.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 04/10/2012 20:06

I'm so sorry to hear about your Dcat Bertie. That rainbow poem always makes me cry too Sad. Big hugs from me.

The first day of work at our house went well, the floors look great. After managing to finally get DD settled at our friends' house, all our stuff in etc, NSDH has now texted to say he's working late again and to 'sort out your own dinner'. Er, right, how do I do that when I'm alone in someone else's house, DD is asleep and no food? Hmm. So I've told him to bring takeaway when he comes home. No response from him, surprise surprise he would have to spend money. And as usual his job comes first. We shall see what he does! I'm quite enjoying calling his bluff sometimes.

So currently curled up on my friend's sofa waiting for his return. (Friends aren't around or I'm sure they'd offer some dinner).

BibiBlocksberg · 04/10/2012 21:30

I sincerely hope you have had some food brought to you by now Nini! Very least he can do!

Glad I'm not the only 'cryer' at rainbow bridge - sometimes I read sites and posts from people who have lost their fur babies in a bid to prepare and 'try on' the pain that will head my way one day.

Weird, I know but I also read that the more memories are shared about a beloved pet (and tears shed) the sooner they reach the bridge.

Also had a weird flashback when thinking about hilde's decision to go back to short hair tonight (go for it btw, have had mine short again for a while and it suits me much better)

BibiBlocksberg · 04/10/2012 21:36

...have to post in little chunks as my musings disappear if I take too long typing.

Anyway, ex FW used to abhor me with short hair and would do everything to dissuade me from having it cut again (was v short & spikey when met him)

Used to think he liked me better with long hair because he thought I looked nice.

Turns out that wasn't it at all when one day he shared the nugget of 'wisdom' with me that he liked my hair long so he had something to hold on to during blow jobs :(

Was pretty ewww about it at the time but never said anything.

Not sure where that came from :)

AnastasiaSteele · 04/10/2012 21:49

at that one Bibi!

Niño hope you've got food now and had a peaceful night.

AnastasiaSteele · 04/10/2012 21:50

Nini obviously. Sorry x

TheSilverPussycat · 04/10/2012 22:00

hilde I was thinking today that your FW seems to be, perhaps, trying to be the top abuser on his course, and that his forthcoming 'amazing transformation' will show how he is getting sorting abuse right.

This is perhaps somewhat convoluted (especially from one who advises you not to overthink!) but I wondered if some kind of underlying feeling along those lines might have caused you to feel how you did earlier?

Or I may be rambling...

tryingtoescape · 04/10/2012 22:01

bertie so very sorry to hear about dcat Sad my deepest sympathy. I lost my very dear furry one about 8 years ago now, I completely sympathise with your pain. I am so sorry. Hugs.

tryingtoescape · 04/10/2012 22:07

Bibi boak from here too, [hollow laugh] I used to seriously consider cutting my long hair because FW wouldn't be able to grab me by it. And I stayed with this man? I also remember deciding to take up self defence arts as if I felt more confident physically maybe our relationship would improve. How sad, this was when I was in my 20s. He's making things very difficult at mo by being neutral - unpleasant and snidey but nothing much worse. Why am I waiting for catastrophe before I leave?? My confidence has plummetted recently, after being on a high for weeks due to family being around.

Nini I hope you get some food!! I will send a virtual pizza with a bottle of red over the ether, here it comes..... enjoy. xx

bertiebassett · 05/10/2012 08:52

Thanks everyone xxxx

And thanks for the link bibi (made me cry even more)

Dcat2 is running around meowing looking for Dcat1. DS is trying to understand the concept of death (I did my best to explain...). FW is being generally supportive but also demanding...

Onwards and upwards eh girls...

NiniLegsInTheAir · 05/10/2012 09:12

Oh Bertie Sad. Hugs to you, DS and Dcat2. How old is DS? If he's a Mog the cat fan I've been told the last book Goodbye Mog was specially written to help kids understand the concept of a pet passing on (I read it in a bookshop once and nearly burst into tears myself!).

We did get takeaway last night - but I had to order and pay for it. He arrived at our friends' house grumpy and full of woe about how hard he works (for their benefit of course), and said he thought I was 'joking' about takeaway Hmm. As it was already gone 9 o'clock I just went and ordered some anyway, but guess which mug paid. His stinginess with money is unbelieveable. Another issue that's not been tackled yet at counselling but I feel it needs to be.

Another friend who we havn't seen for ages dropped in last night and I spent most of the rest of the evening talking to him. He's the nicest guy. Not my cuppa in the looks department but I kept thinking "Why couldn't I have picked someone like you?". We were talking about tattoos and I said that I'd like to get one at some point in the future, NSDH looked at me and shook his head (he hates tattoos), whereas nice friend started asking me what I'd like to have done, where and what reason. I was reminded of some of you with hair length conversations so now I'm adamant I will get a tattoo someday just to spite him Grin.

Another rotten day at work beckons.

AnastasiaSteele · 05/10/2012 11:24

Morning all...

I've been expecting to feel a bit flatter and lo it is here. I'm a bit hormonal and I'm listening to Adele. Eeek. The missing him is setting in - well not him, the version of him that I'd got of him. (There's one of those things on some e-cards that says 'i'll always love the false image I had of you Grin) I heard a song that reminded me of a time before I'd seen him for what he was, and it made me sad. I actually haven't felt in so long, I was just numb.

Now I'm missing him and sad. I am in shock about having gone to the group thingy I went to. Not doubting myself. Just stunned. I know these are just feelings and they will pass. I firmly believe that.

Him having no phone is good for me I guess - I have no temptation to contact him.

On the plus side, I'm being very productive at work.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 05/10/2012 12:07

Feeling a little lower today. One thing that came out in counselling yesterday is that I was never 'in love' with NSDH; I basically married him because of low self-esteem. Thought he was a catch and I wouldn't get another offer... We've never even snogged - at least, we tried it early on and he said he didn't like it, I wasn't doing it right. Why didn't I run for the hills then?!?! Feeling sad and a bit stupid. And rather isolated. Just as well this thread is here, feels like a lifeline some days.

AnastasiaSteele · 05/10/2012 12:19

Charlotte don't feel sad or stupid or isolated.

It's not your fault we're expected to get married and you didn't cause your own low self esteem.

Mine also hardly snogged. It always makes me sad when I hear Elbow's One Day Like This - 'kiss me like your final meal'...haven't known that in so long.

I also had an exploration of whether I loved FW in my counselling session yesterday. On the one hand, love of my life. On the otherhand, obsession, intense physical attraction and dire need of his approval.

So you aren't sad or stupid or isolated. And you are right. These threads are marvellous.

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