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Just had a Big Talk with dh about his drinking and other issues.

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bushymcbush · 29/08/2012 00:14

I told him that if he chooses to continue drinking we will have to split up because I choose to no longer live my life in misery.

We've been here before and he usually makes a token effort to cut down (never stop altogether Hmm) for a short time - a couple of weeks maybe - then reverts to drinking at least a bottle of wine by himself every night. Sometimes more.

Before some of you tell me that it's not that much and what's the problem, I should add that he does this even though we have very little money coming in right now and 2 dc to support. He really struggles to not drink. I don't want to spend time with him when he is drinking and I don't want to have sex with him when he is drinking, so it's a massive barrier to us enjoying our relationship. I no longer go back downstairs after putting the dc to bed but prefer to stay upstairs in 'my' space while he remains downstairs with his wine in front of the telly in 'his' space. That's not a marriage I can bear to be in any longer.

Other issue is his being out of work and doing almost nothing to get work. He has had some freelance stuff this month but he didn't seek it out, it came to him. We desperately need him to be earning money or we may not be able to put food on the table next month (yet he still spends minimum £50 week on booze rather than save for next month).

I suggested to him that the two things (drinking and lack of motivation / direction) might be linked but he doesn't think they are. To be fair, he has been drinking like this for 20 years (I know, I was stupid for marrying him and irresponsible for having children with him - please don't say it, it's never that simple and I can't change that now) but he had plenty of work until 2 years ago. But now the work he does has dwindled to nothing (because of the industry he is in) he just sits and waits for something to happen and complains that he doesn't know what he wants to do with his life. In 6 months he has applied for 3 jobs. Not bloody good enough.

So he said tonight he will 'do something about' the drinking and I suggested he needs some kind of help with that or we'll be back at square one very soon and I won't go back to square one again.

He said he wont drink tomorrow night and we'll talk again.

I'm posting this as a record for myself of what's happening because I'm determined that this time, things will get properly and permanently sorted or its the end of the road. Also, I'm posting for hand holding and support, and to ask you to kick me up the arse if I let things slide. I don't want to live like this any more and I don't want my dd's growing up with it either.

If you've read this far, thank you.

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bushymcbush · 01/09/2012 01:16

'16 years of his alcohol abuse has eroded it to a not insignificant degree' that should say.

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bushymcbush · 01/09/2012 01:19

Update: he just got home from work. I'm still awake so we had a bit of chit chat and I asked him what he'd decided to do about drinking tonight. And he hasn't bought any! I'm very happy right now.

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tribpot · 01/09/2012 20:35

That's good news, bushy. How has today been?

bushymcbush · 01/09/2012 20:45

If anyone is still reading, I'm going to get flamed for this, but I suggested DH have a drink tonight.

Reason 1: I had suggested to a friend that we all go out for a pub lunch. I thought it was unfair to make him sit in a pub all afternoon with a pint drinking mate and not have a drink.

Reason 2: I wanted to show him that I trust him to drink 'normally' and said to him that he should drink on just one day per week. I think this is easier for him to achieve than no drinking at all but more acceptable to me than his idea of drinking at weekends (which inevitably spreads across 3 nights and soon creeps further into the week).

I could be getting it completely wrong but we both seem happy with the agreement right now.

I don't know if it will be easy to sustain. If it isn't, I will have to insist on him getting outside help. If he won't then get help, I will have to separate.

That's my current plan of action

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ErikNorseman · 01/09/2012 20:50

Wow
Good luck with that

AttilaTheMeerkat · 01/09/2012 21:09

bushy,

If you have not already started talking to Al-anon I would suggest you do so asap. You are as caught up in the merry go around that is alcoholism as he is albeit in different ways but caught all the same. Alcoholism is truly a family disease; you are all profoundly affected by his actions.

Reason 1 was very bad (why suggest a pub lunch at all?) and Reason 2 is particularly bad for you. Unfortunately such a plan is not at all sustainable long term and he will just see this as licence to continue drinking. You cannot police or control his drinking in such a manner and as an alcoholic he should not be drinking alcohol at all. Social drinking is simply not possible.

Insisting on him too getting outside help in future is pointless. The will to do so needs to come from him and as he has been drinking for 20 years it ain't happening any time soon. Like many alcoholics as well he is in denial and also likely underestimates badly how much he is actually drinking.

Any form of intervention or coercion on your part is doomed to failure. Am sorry to write that but it is.

There are no guarantees re alcoholism; he could well go onto lose everything and still drink afterwards.

I do not mean this at all unkindly but you are also too close to the situation to be of any real help to him, besides which he does not want your help. You can only help your own self here and I would also read up on codependency as there are often elements of this within such relationships.

You cannot also save someone who may ultimately not want to be saved. You cannot save an ailing marriage on your own.

How many people know that your H is an alcoholic?. Very few I suspect. Alcoholism as well thrives on secrecy.

Alcohol is a cruel mistress. His primary relationship is still with drink with everything and everyone else coming a dim and very distant second.

The 3cs re alcoholism needs to be re-etched into your brain:-
You did not cause this
You cannot control this
You cannot cure this

AttilaTheMeerkat · 01/09/2012 21:14

bushy,

You are certainly going to find the following pretty much uncomfortable as well but you need to read this now.

The Merry-Go-Round of DENIAL

Alcoholism is a tragic three act play in which there is at least two characters, the drinker and his family; friends; co-workers and even healthcare workers may have a part in keeping the Merry-Go-Round turning.

ACT ONE

The play opens with the alcoholic stating that no one can tell him/her what to do. This makes it very difficult for the family to talk about drinking and its results. Even when the drinking is obviously causing serious problems, he/she simply will not discuss it. Talking is like a one-way street.

The key word in alcoholism is Denial, for again and again people do what they say they will not or deny what they have done.

As the alcoholic drinks more and more, the helpers deny the problem and increase the alcoholic?s dependency.

In act one, the alcoholic kills all his/her pain and woes by getting drunk.

ACT TWO

In act two, the alcoholic does nothing but wait for and expect others to do for them. Distinct characters begin to evolve from his/her helpers. A person can play more than one character and usually does.

The Enabler
The Enabler is a helpful type, trying to rescue his friend from their predicament. The Enabler wants to save the alcoholic from the immediate crisis and relieve them of the unbearable tension created by the situation.
In reality, this person is meeting a need of their own, rather than that of the alcoholic, although the Enabler does not realize this themselves.

The Enabler denies the alcoholic the process of learning by correcting and taking responsibility for his/her own mistakes.

The Enabler may eventually insist they will never again rescue the alcoholic. They always have and the alcoholic believes they always will.

The Victim

This may be the boss, the employer, the foreman or supervisor. The Victim is the person who is responsible for getting the work done, if the alcoholic is absent due to drinking or is half on and half off the job due to a hangover.

The alcoholic becomes completely dependent on this repeated protection and cover-up by the Victim; otherwise he/his could not continue drinking in this fashion. If the Victim stops helping, the alcoholic will be compelled to give up drinking or give up the job.

It is the Victim who enables the alcoholic to continue his irresponsible drinking without losing his/her job.

The Provoker

This is usually the wife or mother and is a key person in the play.

She is a veteran at this role and has played it much longer than others. She is the Provoker. She is hurt and upset by repeated drinking episodes; but she holds the family together despite all the trouble caused by drinking.
In turn, she feeds back in the relationship her bitterness, resentment, fear and hurt, and so becomes the source of provocation.

She controls, she tries to force the changes she wants; she sacrifices, adjusts, never gives up, never gives in, but never forgets.

The attitude of the alcoholic is that his/her failure should be acceptable, but she must never fail the alcoholic! He/she acts with complete independence and insists he/she will do as they please.
This character might also be called the Adjuster. She is constantly adjusting to the crises and trouble caused by drinking.

Act two is now played out in full. Everything is done for the alcoholic and not by them. The results, effects and problems caused by drinking, have been removed by others. The painful results of the drinking were suffered by persons other than the drinker. This permits him/her to continue drinking as a way to solve his/her problems.

ACT THREE

Act three begins much like act one. The need to deny dependence is now greater for the alcoholic and must be expressed almost at once, and even more emphatically. The alcoholic denies he/she has a drinking problem, denies he/she is an alcoholic, denies that alcohol is causing him/her trouble. The alcoholic refuses to acknowledge that anyone helped them ? more denial. He/she denies that they may lose their job and insists that he/she is the best or most skilled person at his/her job. Above all, the alcoholic denies he/she has caused his/her family any trouble. In fact, the alcoholic blames the family, especially the spouse/parent, for all the fuss, nagging and problems.

Some alcoholics achieve the same denial by a stony silence, refusing to discuss anything related to their drinking. The memory is too painful.

The real problem is that the alcoholic is well aware of the truth which he/she so strongly denies. He/she is aware of the drunkenness and the failure. His/her guilt and remorse have become unbearable and the alcoholic cannot tolerate criticism or advice from others.

Above all, the memory of his/her utter helplessness and failure is more than embarrassing; it is far too painful for a person who thinks and acts as if he/she were a little god in their own world.

The wheel goes round and round.

The curtain never closes after act three, but instead the acts run over and over again. As years go by the actors get older, but there is little change in the words or the action of the play.

It is not true that an alcoholic cannot be helped until he wants help. It is true that there is almost no chance that the alcoholic will stop drinking as along as other people remove all the painful consequences for him/her. The other actors find it difficult to change. It is much easier and far less painful for them to say that the alcoholic cannot be helped, than to go through the agony of learning to play a new role.

Self-creating crisis

If drinking continues long enough, the alcoholic creates a crisis, gets into trouble, and ends up in a mess. This can happen in many ways, but the pattern is always the same: he/she is a dependent who behaves as if he/she were independent, and drinking makes it easy to convince himself/herself this is true. Yet the results of his drinking make him ever more dependent upon others.

When his/her self-created crisis strikes, he waits for something to happen, ignores it, walks away from it, or cries for someone to get him/her out of it. Alcohol, which at first gave him/her a sense of success and independence, has now stripped him/her of their mask and reveals a helpless, dependent child.

The crisis is a way of reassuring the alcoholic that they have control over the other players in the play.

The Little God

No one has a right to play God and demand that the alcoholic stop drinking. The reverse is also true. The alcoholic can only continue to act like a little god, telling everyone what to do, while doing as he/she pleases, if a supporting cast continues to play their roles. Every player has every right and responsibility to refuse to act as if the alcoholic in their lives were God whose every wish and commandment be obeyed.

Ending the play

There is no easy way to stop the merry-go-round, for it can be more painful to stop it than to keep it going. It is impossible to spell out definite rules which apply to all members of the play. Each case is different, but the framework of the play remains the same.

tribpot · 01/09/2012 21:50

I'm surprised that you would suggest going to a pub three days into your DH's attempt to control his drinking. Wouldn't another venue have been more supportive?

I'd like to believe he said 'no, thank you - I wish to see what it is like to stay sober in a pub as I know I will need to do this on occasion'. But there's no chance in hell I would have said that.

It feels like you've moved the goalposts, after making a big deal about him not drinking yesterday. However well-intentioned, I'm not sure you've helped yourself this way.

bushymcbush · 01/09/2012 22:06

Atilla, your posts are always insightful and knowledgable. I appreciate your bluntness.

I know it sounds ridiculous. But all I keep thinking is that I am fighting to save my family. I do appreciate that the one day per week approach probably won't - but I need to prove to him that he can't drink at all if he is going to beat this thing. He hasn't realised that.

So either one of two things will happen. Either he will find that one night a week is fine and we will go on happily (unlikely) or he will find that one night a week is impossible (likely). At which point he will have to get professional help (unlikely) or we will be separating (likely).

I do understand the likely outcomes. But now I have to fight. I have to know that I tried.

Thank you to all who are taking the time to read and respond. But Erik, please don't be so bluntly unpleasant. Negative I can handle but please be gentle with me. I'm trying to save my family - one way or the other. Sad

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bushymcbush · 01/09/2012 22:12

trib, it was a strange situation. My suggestion of a pub lunch was off the cuff and not thought about in advance. But goalposts at that time had not been placed anyway. Now they have.

Trib, do you think I should be telling him he can't drink at all? Serious question.

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Fairenuff · 01/09/2012 22:18

OP you may have to face the fact that if your dh does give up drinking, he may never be able to set foot in a pub again. It might just be too difficult. He may never go to parties or weddings or any social occasions where people are drinking. He may never, ever be able to drink 'normally' or be around drink.

I would really second the advice to get yourself to Al-Anon before you even try to do anything to 'help' him. Don't give ultimatums or expectations until you really know what you are dealing with. Educate yourself first, that is something that you can do which make a positive impact on your life.

It might not make a difference to him but it will help you enourmously.

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea · 01/09/2012 22:33

Hi OP,

I just wanted to say that I really hopes it works out for you and your family.

Alcoholics can change / recover. I have a close family member who is doing really well in recovery though the 'rock bottom' that they hit was awful, truly.

Your DH is still in denial I think. You have had a lot of great advice on this thread, just try to remember that it is his decision whether or not to drink. You cannot make it more or less likely for him to drink.

tribpot · 01/09/2012 22:42

bushy, I'm keen not to upset you and also not to reignite the debate on what a supportive partner can do to help encourage an active alcoholic or problem drinker to want to address their problem. I'm going to treat your question in two separate ways.

Do I think he should be drinking at all? I think someone who drinks that much when there's no money to pay for it has a problem that almost certainly isn't going to be controllable whilst he's drinking (although it is worth looking at the Sober Recovery website mentioned above, where I believe some posters have been successful in moderating their drinking - only through their own commitment to that process, however).

Do I think you should tell him that? No. This isn't up to you. It will always be his decision whether or not to drink. Even today when you gave 'permission', he could have said no. You are effectively (in my opinion) attempting to collaborate in a process that is only going on inside his head.

I understand you are keen not to detach and/or say nothing - which is quite understandable and there is no reason why you should not say "I am concerned about your drinking" and give the reasons why. Addiction hates openness - talk about it (not argue necessarily, but talk matter-of-factly). Why hide?

I think it is misleading to claim no goalposts existed yesterday; if they did not, why play quite a few of your major cards in the row about drinking before he went to work? I'm afraid I do see a resemblance to The Provoker in Atilla's post.

Put another way, if he can only control his drinking because you're watching him, what happens when you're not watching him?

It is very early days in the month you allotted for this attempt. i can only echo the other posters and say you need to be seeking experienced support and guidance. Much as he is, I think you are very reluctant to admit publicly that there is a problem.

teenyweenytadpole · 01/09/2012 23:32

Hi Bushy, sounds like you are trying so hard. I really feel for you.

I do agree though with others that ultimately no-one can change him but him (that is so gramatically uncorrect it's not true but never mind). I have wrestled with this myself, I have thought that if DH loved me and the DD's enough he would stop, but have come to realise that it's not about me - it's all about him and what's going on in his head. I completely and utterly understand what you are doing, and why, but I think you might find it helpful to take a step back and try and see the bigger picture. One day sober, or one successful pub lunch where he manages to moderate his drinking does not mean everything is fixed. If you get into bargaining with him, or worse trying to control or monitor his drinking it will just drive you crazy! The scenario that fairenuff paints is not a pleasant one is it, and that's something I wrestle with i.e what would it actually mean for DH to stop drinking? what impact would it have on our lives, and on mine? Would I actually like the sober version of him? It's something to think about.

Atilla has been brutally honest with me in the past and I have appreciated it, she's probably shaking her head now and wondering why the hell I am still here posting about the same old crap. But as hard as it is to hear I think there is a lot of truth in what she says. It's easy to buy into the country and western type myth of a good woman saving her man from the demon drink - but no amount of your love will "save" him (i.e stop him drinking) if that is not what he wants or if he is not ready to do what he needs to do in order to stop. If he doesn't stop drinking then no way is it about you, or how much he loves you - it's about how much he values himself.

As for me, I see a lot of truth in the merry go round reading Atilla posted. At the moment I am trying to decide if I want to continue to stay on the merry go round, knowing the consequences, or leap into the unknown and try to get off.

Ajaney · 02/09/2012 00:00

FWIW, my DP had his 2nd meeting with alcohol counsellor yesterday. She asked him if his long term goal was to quit completely or be able to drink sensibly. He said he knows he can't drink moderately so he wants to stay stopped. I'm not sure what to make of this question, was it a trick question? I used to make 'deals' with my DP (drink tonight then have 2 nights off) but they would rarely be kept to. I found he would say whatever he needed to have his drink in relative peace and then argue about it when he wanted the next drink.

Sending you hugs

bushymcbush · 02/09/2012 00:07

The problem I have with the experienced support and guidance is that from my limited experience of it (attended a few al anon meetings a couple of years ago, plus a bit of Internet research) the advice is to do nothing, don't get involved, there's nothing I can do to change him. Apparently all I can do is save myself and my children, preferably by leaving my husband.

I am willing to believe that this is true. But, and I keep saying this again and again and will keep saying it - I need, for my own peace of mind, to know that I fought bloody hard to save my marriage and keep our family together. I have been too passive for too long without letting him know that the situation is unacceptable to me. So I haven't sought professional help right now because I seem to be doing the opposite to what is advised.

I expect the experts will be proved right but please understand I just can't go down without a fight.

I'm not sure what you mean by me being unwilling to admit there is a problem. I think I am willing to admit it. I've spoken to close friends about it and family members. I'm posting on a public forum about it. Who else do I need to admit it to? Perhaps I have misunderstood your comment? Again, a genuine question!

We have just had it out and set the goalposts. It was a difficult negotiation. He wanted to drink Fri, Sat, Sun every week. I said just one day but decided to compromise to two days. It was a long battle before he agreed to five dry days every week. He tried several tactics to wear me down including guilt, comparison, anecdote and pseudo-science. But I stood my ground, saying that 2 nights was bloody generous when I really believe he needs to seek outside help and stop altogether, and that if he really thinks 2 nights is that hard he should seek help right now. He has agreed to it. We agreed that a week is Mon - Sun and he can pick any 2 nights he wants.

I know you all think I'm doing the wrong thing here. I know you are probably right and I should stop posting since I am stubbornly going my own way right now. But this thread is really useful for 2 reasons: firstly it's like a diary so I can keep track of what happens, and secondly so you lot can keep me grounded and not let me get too excited by a few dry days. You've certainly done a good job of that tonight!

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Ajaney · 02/09/2012 00:12

Bushy, i don't doubt that you are putting up a strong fight and that you will 'go down fighting' if it indeed comes to that.

You have to do what you think is right - my posts are intended to be in support of us women and men who are living with an alcohol dependent partner. There are many types of addiction and many family affected by it.

I will continue to read and post and wish you all the best.

bushymcbush · 02/09/2012 00:26

Teenyweeny and Ajaney - thank you for your kind words and solidarity. I hope and pray we all find the right solutions to our problems.

Ajaney, you must be very proud of your DH and his recent efforts. It sounds like he is on recovery road at the moment. Long may it last.

Teenyweeny, the merry go round story made a lot of sense to me too. Do you think your DH wants to stop drinking?

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Dozer · 02/09/2012 07:16

Bushy, how old are your DC? For how many years have they been the victims of this awful merry-go-round? You chose your DH knowing his problems, fair enough, your life, but they didn't: you still seem to be putting him and your marrage above them.

He needs to do this, it can't be a deal or led by you.

He is eating up all this energy from you, taking away from you and the DCs. If you are seriously worried about food on the table, your energy would be better spent trying to resolve that.

Of course he needs to stop drinking completely if things are to improve. He has sought no outside, professional help and still will not (or support you doing so). There are reasons the approach they advocate is recommended, and why your alternative (negotiating, mollifying, enabling IMO) approach is very unlikely to work. Why are you so resistent to getting proper help? (and labelling it "fighting for my marriage")

You cannot save your marriage, you cannot control him, and he clearly isn't going to change imminently, he hasn't for 20 years, knowing your feelings and after becoming a father, why would he now?

Your logic is messed up. Please please at least go to al-anon or similar, and at look into the legalities, financials and practicalities of leaving.

Soon it'll be "oh, I can't do it so close to Christmas", then "new year new start", etc etc.

Your DC deserve better.

tribpot · 02/09/2012 07:37

I had a look at the Friends & Family section of my copy of Beat the Booze and it took me to this site which has a section on how to help someone realise they need help.

The book specifically is not just for those who want to give up alcohol, and has a chapter on strategies for moderating your drinking. This is their website. The chapter on cutting down links to Moderation Management.

I don't think anyone thinks you should stop posting, bushymcbush. Everyone on this thread wishes you well.

AbigailAdams · 02/09/2012 08:07

bushy when will you have fought enough? Serious question. The answer to the question could have you hanging in there for years, especially if he keeps offering the titbits he is at the moment. He can carry on giving you hope and then taking it away indefinitely, because it suits him to do so. Do you see him fighting for your relationship, because I don't.

There is a reason why these experienced and expert organisations advocate the fact that you can do nothing and often the best move is to leave. And that is because it is true.

Personally I think you have done more than enough and probably had done a couple of years ago. It takes two people to contribute to a relationship. Really, he isn't doing anything to contribute to yours. You think he is because he is simply not taking as much as he was. But he is still taking and not contributing. This will continue and continue until you deem you have fought enough. But what state will you and your children be in by then?

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea · 02/09/2012 08:12

Bushy, I have been you (in a slightly different context) so I completely understand where you are coming from.

In my story the alcoholic left and everyone disengaged from the issue, although not the person.

They had only themselves to rely on for recovery, and (so far) it has worked, and they are back home, attending four AA meetings a week and without alcohol for the longest period of their adult life.

I'm being deliberately vague here, so sorry about that. Wishing you luck and strength. We are here for you, hopefully not to lecture but to give you our experience and support.

Fairenuff · 02/09/2012 10:05

She asked him if his long term goal was to quit completely or be able to drink sensibly. He said he knows he can't drink moderately so he wants to stay stopped. I'm not sure what to make of this question, was it a trick question?

Ajaney No, it's not a trick question. She made him see, and openly admit, that he knows he cannot drink moderately. For him, one drink always leads to too many and/or too often. If you know you can't drink 'normally' then you know you have to quit. That means that he has to learn some coping strategies to stop himself having that first glass.

Bushy We have just had it out and set the goalposts. It was a difficult negotiation. He wanted to drink Fri, Sat, Sun every week. I said just one day but decided to compromise to two days. It was a long battle before he agreed to five dry days every week. He tried several tactics to wear me down including guilt, comparison, anecdote and pseudo-science. But I stood my ground, saying that 2 nights was bloody generous when I really believe he needs to seek outside help and stop altogether, and that if he really thinks 2 nights is that hard he should seek help right now. He has agreed to it

When I first read that, I thought you meant he agreed to seek outside help and stop altogether because you are absolutely right when you say it shouldn't be that difficult to go a few days without a drink.

Can you see how far you have been sucked into all. All these negotiations mean nothing. Because he is not in charge. The alcohol is. You would do better to cut out the middle man and speak directly to the bottle of booze. You will get the same result. He will drink.

You say that you don't want to follow the expert advice but you also say,
We've been here before and he usually makes a token effort to cut down (never stop altogether ) for a short time - a couple of weeks maybe - then reverts to drinking at least a bottle of wine by himself every night. Sometimes more

What makes you hope it will be different this time?

newstarticus · 02/09/2012 12:05

Bushy, I read your post from start to finish last night but didn't post,however you are still in my thoughts this morning so I thought I would.

A few years ago, I was you. I posted a very similar issue on Mumsnet and got very similar advice. Attila, you are absolutely spot on in your advice, even though I am sorry to say I found it difficult to take at the time.

My story was so similar to yours - a DH who was a heavy drinker of many years standing, but was making a transition from a 'functioning acoholic' (good job etc) to a person for whom the alcohol was winning. His health was suffering, as were his job prospects and his relationships, not just with me but with his extended family too. He was becoming a completely different person to the man I married.

I tried to do all the things you describe such as negotiating with him about how much he could drink. I suspect that the 5 dry days agreement will just lead to more drinking in secret and you finding bottles, if you don't already. My DH used to say that the only reason he hid bottles was because I was so unreasonable about how much he drank and that he wouldn't need to hide them if I'd just lighten up!

My DH died last year from the effects of liver disease in his 40s. I'm not trying to scare anyone, but that is the fact of the matter. In the last 6 months of his life I was taking steps to leave (the guilt around this is a whole new thread..), and what trigged this decision was a moment of clarity when I saw the effect it was starting to have on my DD and that she was being manipulated by his lies as I had been for years. However, we were still together at the end, although in a relationship that had been damaged beyond recognition.

The bottom line for me is that you cannot control if, or how much he drinks. All you can control is your own response to the situation in which you find yourself.

My one regret is that I didn't leave sooner, because possibly if I'd left when he was a bit stronger he may have found the resources within him to seek help. He never even acknowledged he had a problem, and sadly, by the time I got to the end of my tether, I think he just couldn't see a way back.

I think you said your dcs are still quite young and so this may make leaving now a bit easier. It gets harder and harder to cover for an alcoholic partner as dcs grow up, which I suspect you are doing a fair bit of at the moment.

tribpot · 02/09/2012 12:52

I'm very sorry to hear about your DH's death, newstarticus. :(

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