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My DH hates family life and I don't know what to do.

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confusedgirlfromtheShire · 05/08/2012 12:27

Regular poster, namechanged.

Trying to keep a long story short, apologies in advance if any of this sounds perfunctory/cold. Am just trying to keep number of words down.

DH and I are both early thirties and have one DS who is nearly two. Been married 5 years. Together for 9, known each other for 14 years.

Me: high profile work in financial services on high wage, currently working four days a week. Like the job most of the time but very high pressure. Hours not too bad cos I work like a dog when I'm there so get a lot done and don't bring work home. So Mon to Thurs I am out of the house at 6.20am, 1.5 hour commute each way, home around 5.20pm. Have had Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since 2009 which lays me out whenever I have a bad virus, but I'm managing it with diet and lots of rest. House has always been in my name, now mortgage free.

DH: By agreement, does not work. Intelligent, but in his teens and early twenties lacked application, dropped out of uni, a series of jobs but zero "career", no hope of progression. I sorted him out, put him through OU while he was working, where he got a first class degree. We had DS in his final year, then I got PTSD and PND and we agreed because I earned three times what he did and he hated his job anyway he would quit, take on the babycare and we would put our DS in nursery a couple of days a week so my DH could do a masters over two years. He has just completed the first year and done very well. One year to go.

Issues: He really really hates what I term "family life". He doesn't like looking after our toddler, just puts up with it, goes through the motions but there is no real enjoyment there. DH says he feels he has no freedom and no time to himself and that he feels I never want to be on my own with DS. My argument is that I am paying £500 a month to give him Tuesdays and Thursdays to do what he wants as our DS is in nursery a day (DS loves it and is very happy there). Plus, I do Fridays and we are always out and about so he gets most of the day to himself then too. It's 50-50 in the evenings until DS goes to bed then as I go to bed early (9.30pm to recharge for the next day) if DH wants to do his own thing (pottering in the garage or painting his models) I don't mind that either. But apart from specific jobs for an hour or two on Sat and Sunday I expect that to be time where we spend it together as a family, just hanging out, going places etc. DH is pushing back on this, seems really miserable, complains that our DS is such a tie and that it's not me he resents, it's DS and he wants time to do his own thing, and as I don't really have any hobbies, it doesn't make sense for us to just be sitting around the house together as it's a waste of time. He has very few of his own friends. I can't convey how disappointed I am in him and his attitude to our family. I do half the childcare, which is mostly lovely or fine, occasionally difficult, at least half the housework, earn all the money, make all the plans for the future - all my money is OUR money saved for the big things like a better house, DS's education, holidays. DH says he can't wait to be properly working (a year away) ? but he has implicitly indicated that he wants to work his way through his dream list of cars and pursue his own dreams and do his own thing more - money is the only thing that?s stopping him now.

When DS acts up, he swears at him and it is horrible to listen to. Sometimes he sits with him in the playroom but doesn't talk or interact, just stares into space. 70% of the time though he's either good or great.
I made him go to the doctor for depression and he did, but he thinks that his reaction is entirely rational and therefore can't be a mental health issue, so he hasn?t taken it any further. I am angry with him and love him a little less each day. Conversation and general chit chat is poor, we do talk about our issues but never seem to get anywhere. But I am terrified of how I would manage on my own, because of logistics of looking after our son, for one. Weekends are bad because we don't know what to do with ourselves - we fill the time but DH isn't having any fun and that in turn puts me right on edge. Work is a relief in one way, but very stressful sometimes as I said in the beginning.

I cannot believe that this is my life now. I wish I was with someone fun and energetic who liked being a dad. DH says it was a mistake in hindsight to have DS. I don't think that (although I did when I was really ill), and would consider a second, if we got a nanny to help me get over the baby stage, which I hated. I get better with kids the older they are.

Any advice please? Do I stay or go? Any insight into what is going on in DH?s head and whether he is likely to change?

Sorry despite best efforts this has been so long.

OP posts:
Mayisout · 06/08/2012 13:12

Where are all the MN SS police - oh, it's a poor sahd, no wonder the two days he spends with dS drives him to he swears at him and it is horrible to listen to. Sometimes he sits with him in the playroom but doesn't talk or interact, just stares into space

If this was a childminder, nursery worker or mil they'd be screaming for OP to contact SS.
Swearing at a small child which is horrible to listen to is bluddy cruel.

Mayisout · 06/08/2012 13:14

And doubly cruel if it's coming from his dad

handstandCrabForwardRollGold · 06/08/2012 13:19

Im not perfect by anyones estimation lookbehindyou but a. This isnt about me and b. it's not ok to spend 30% of the time you spend with your child ignoring them or swearing and getting angry at them. I really don't think this makes me a mummy martyr having that opinion.

I don't think occasional swearing is an issue, but swearing at a child regularly is an issue IMHO.

DespoticDad · 06/08/2012 13:26

You say:

DH: By agreement, does not work. Intelligent, but in his teens and early twenties lacked application, dropped out of uni, a series of jobs but zero "career", no hope of progression. I sorted him out, put him through OU while he was working, where he got a first class degree. We had DS in his final year, then I got PTSD and PND and we agreed because I earned three times what he did and he hated his job anyway he would quit, take on the babycare and we would put our DS in nursery a couple of days a week so my DH could do a masters over two years. He has just completed the first year and done very well. One year to go.

This isn't a typical lazy husband type bloke is it? He must have worked hard to get his 1st degree - was that to get him out of the job that he hated? but now becuase of your PND he is at home with the baby while you get to carry on your career. And when he's finished studying he doesn't want to sit on his arse . . . he wants to work in the same job as you do eg a very demanding one!! So what if he likes sports cars, he's a bloke that's what we do. Is he suggesting you live on bread an water so he can afford one? I get through my days at work thinking about the new fishing rod I can buy for me, not the new plastic owssname I can buy for the kids, because the wossnames are an essential and the rod is a luxury . . . does that make me a bad dad?

You also said that you had a baby because all your firends were having one, but then you said that he doesn't have any firends!!! So you wanted a baby becuase all YOUR friends have one. Which he is now looking after for you while you work at a job that you say you enjoy. Because YOU didn't like being at home with the baby. I am being devils advocate of course, but it's worth thinking about?

Then you say he does a good/great job 70% of the time. If the child is locked in a cupboard being sworn at for the remaining thirty percent of the time thne that is a problem :) but if he sometimes gets upset with a naughty toddler that is only human. If he can do 70% great, 25% bored, 5% pissed off, that's about right as a struggling parent of toddler I think! Swearing at the baby is bad (of course) but the choice of words doesn't really matter at that age does it? I don't see it as any worse to say "put that bloody thing down" rather than "put that thing down". Got to go as my bloody kid is bloody well shouting again the barstard :)

Mumsyblouse · 06/08/2012 13:28

Lots of people have already said it but...I did my PhD whilst having two children!!! No-one gave me time-off, the idea of having three days a week to sit around and write would have been bliss, but we couldn't afford it, at the time there wasn't maternity leave for PhD's so I did it around full-time childcare of two children. Plenty of people complete OU degrees in their spare time, around full-time work. Being a student isn't a full time job unless you can afford for it to be and have the income to support yourself (which he doesn't unless he depends on you for years and years on end with no prospect of change).

I cannot believe people coming on here and thinking this man needs sympathy for being a SAHP- he only does it two days a week!!!! That's part-time parenting by anyone's standards.

I would go back to perfectstorms' point, I would get good legal advice about your continued f/t working and his continued lack of effort, make sure that you can show you were doing exactly as much childcare as him (one day a week full-time and two on weekends is pretty much the same as two days in week and lots of moaning/not wanting to do weekends).

That doesn't mean I think you should give up on the marriage, you should give him a chance to finish the Masters and definitely get him away from childcare, he can't even do 2 days a week without making out it's spoiling his life. But, my guess is that even when given the chance to work, he won't do it, as he won't walk into a top graduate job, and he won't take a crappy job, so he will remain as unemployable as ever. And you will be expected to fix this, just like you have fixed everything.

You would be better on your own unless he brings stability/emotional intelligence/love/household organization/sense of being a team in instead of money. So far, you are getting neither (and he may well be hanging on til after his Masters and then get up and leave).

droves · 06/08/2012 13:28

Janey ...I know that , I was just trying to explain that sometimes its easier to understand things if you know the reasons why people shout /swear ect .

Is the point of mn not to draw on collective experiences to help the ops situations ? Thing is everyone's perceptions will be different , and I don't think there's a clear answer to the ops query regarding her dh . But given that some people find children more difficult than others , doesn't in itself mean that those people are bad or selfish .

The op hasn't included reasons as to why her dh is doing these things, either because she's trying to keep things short ( like she explained in op ) or she doesn't really know .

It's actually a really sad situation for everyone , but calling the dh names isn't going to help op . So what if he dropped out uni first time ? That doesn't mean he's going to fuck up this time , not everyone knows what they want to do at a young age , not everyone is ready for the responsibility .

But if these are the indicators of the ops dh's personality , why did she marry and have a child with him at all ? She knew him for 5 years prior to their relationship , she knows him . I think she is as dissatisfied with him as he is with parenthood . Why is it a big surprise to find that children are hard work ?.

( just to clarify I called the dh a sahd because he is home with the ds more than the op , perhaps I should have called him part time sahd /part time student ?)

Mumsyblouse · 06/08/2012 13:34

I'd also point out that as you are mortgage free, he really could do any job and it would pay for you as a family.

My other tip is: don't let him (or at least don't use your contacts) to come into your workplace. He has no history of being a good employee (pleasing yourself and getting a first shows he's clever, but doesn't mean he'd be good in a company whatsoever). If he kicks off/starts to fail/causes trouble (which he will, as he believes he's cleverer than other people which is always a problematic starting point), you and your work will suffer. It will also create a competitive situation. If he wants to work in financial services let him go into another company and make his own way and own path.

At the moment, he is relying on you far too heavily to find his life path for him, and resenting it massively because he realises he couldn't do it without you (and let's face it, you could do it without him, get a nanny). Cut him loose and let him make his own way.

handstandCrabForwardRollGold · 06/08/2012 13:43

What I don't get is if you hate looking after children, and it's only two days a week and you could earn enough to cover the extra childcare why would you stay st home? If dh gave up work to be a sahd after op had took her mat leave surely he had an inkling of what it would entail?

mumsyblouse makes very good points.

janey68 · 06/08/2012 13:44

Droves- yes, I don't think you and i fundamentally disagree actually, your last post makes a lot of sense. FWIW I don't think one-off swearing at a child will scar them for life! But what is going on here is far more chronic... It seems neither parent is happy (though thankfully op came back to reassure us that the child seems contented ) .

I agree with you : WHY did these two adults get together in the first place? Is the relationship salvageable? None of us can answer that, but hopefully this thread will help the op reflect on things and find a way forward .

QuintessentialShadows · 06/08/2012 14:01

Despoticdad makes many good points....

QueenofPlaids · 06/08/2012 14:13

Wow, can't believe some of the crap the OP is getting.

A two year masters is not generally full time. He doesn't 'work' in the evening (which most people who work full time do, even if it's just cooking the dinner or tidying up) and he gets two full days to himself.

He clearly chose to do the masters and is lucky enough to be bankrolled through it. If he didn't want to be a SAHD through it, surely he could try to get a part time job to help with nursery fees?

And yes, I would (and have) taken a similar view when I've seen the boot on the other foot.

I also find the fact he want to get a job at your work OP a bit odd tbh unless it's the only major employer nearby. Doesn't he want to strike out on his own? If he resents his position, how much would he like it being in the same company with you much more senior?

Sounds like he is resentful of having to take responsibility. If it's down to depression he should see a GP, but otherwise it sound like he needs to grow up, accept where he is and work out how to move on from it in the best way for himself and your family unit.

janey68 · 06/08/2012 15:27

I agree about the idea of him taking a position in the same company as his wife! She's already far too unhealthily wrapped i

janey68 · 06/08/2012 15:29

Oops. ... Wrapped up in his life and decision making. He needs to sort out what he wants to do in negotiation with op, but being independent and not hanging on her coat tails

MyinnergoddessisatLidl · 06/08/2012 15:42

I would also be concerned about the DH being in the same company.

For the very valid reason below, but also the OP mentioned a 1.5 hour commute. If the train is cancelled, or there is a road traffic accident, you are both stuck 1.5 hours away from your DC at the end of the day, or if he is sick?

This was a very real issue when I went back to a London commute.

Unless the MIL will be good back up of course.

rookiemater · 06/08/2012 16:07

I agree with what quintessential shadows said earlier, cutting through all the talk about the OP and DH's motivations it sounds like the best option for the child is to go to nursery 4 days a week.

This has lots of benefits:

  • DH gets the chance to study properly and hopefully completes his masters and gets a job quicker
  • DC gets proper care and attention
  • If things don't improve DH is no longer main carer so removes the threat of him keeping house and being main carer for DC if they do split up
Wigglewoo · 06/08/2012 16:16

I think both of you are totally unrealistic actually, and sound a bit immature. (Although I know that sounds horrid, I'm sorry).

You're not working as a team at all. You don't seem to see your money as his money - and it should be. You talk about paying £500 for this and that and really its joint money. Its not yours and his. I am a SAHM and my dh and I have joint accounts and everything goes in and out of that, including my half of our spending money to spend as I wish. My dh might be the one working outside the home but I am looking after his / our children - if I wasn't doing that he have to pay a nanny etc so I am entitled to a wage. I think your dh doesn't realise the value of his own role at home andi think your attitude to finances and suchlike aren't helping.

Plus, maybe I'm being a bit unfair but graduates are among the highest unemployed group at the moment - if he enjoys doing the masters fair enough but don't do it from some sort of illusion he's going to magically secure a high paid job. (Unless you can get him one where you work). I think for the sake of everyone's sanity it might be better if he just applied for literally anything and everything - cleaning, shops, driving etc- to get him out meeting new adults and away from ds. Then for that time get a nanny, that might be enough to regain some perspective. I went back to work when dd was 6 weeks old as I was literally climbing the walls with boredom. Ironically I now enjoy being a sahm and my second child is 8 weeks old. (Been sahm 4 years now).

If your dh is being horrid to your ds, then you need to put ds first as you as his mother have a duty of care and provide better care for him, either yourself or nursery / nanny etc. It sounds like you don't realise how important these early years are.

It sounds like money and status / jobs come first to both of you and rather than thinking about "now" you're thinking about the future. Fair enough but youur ds is growing up now. He won't wait.

Windsock · 06/08/2012 16:39

Your h is bored and needs a job

clemetteattlee · 06/08/2012 16:54

He is depressed.
He needs help tackling his depression.

My DH had PND for five years. He was never as bad as this but he wasn't himself. A low dose of anti-depressants has given him his life back but it was a BLOODY hard job persuading him to go and see the doctor.

complexo · 06/08/2012 19:17

If he swears and ignores the child in front of the OP in a manner that make HER feel uncomfortable, can you imagine what he does when she is not there???

WhoWillDoMyHoovering · 06/08/2012 19:32

Definitely what MumsyBlouse said. Don't have him work at the same company! Don't set yourself up by giving him a recommendation, as any failure here can then be attributed to you; and if he did get the position then turn out to be a flakey employee, you do not want it reflecting badly on you. Leave the job-hunting to him and step back from helping out here.

confusedgirlfromtheShire · 06/08/2012 20:42

Bloody hell, I was not expecting some of that.

I can take most things as I have a thick skin, but don't call me cold or immature and don't tell me I'm not a good parent or that I need to take parenting courses, how the fuck dare you when I am just a stranger on the internet and you don't know me and have never seen me with my son! I work so damned hard to compensate for any failings we have as parents and DS is absolutely and definitely happy, I know that in my heart.

Go on, you be brave enough to start a controversial thread asking for help and see if you can take the personal abuse - oh, except you're probably so fucking perfect you don't need to, do you?

On the money side, I should clarify that we have substantial assets that are in my DH's name. On paper, financially we are about equal, but we've agreed not to touch the ISAs or the bonds because they are for big stuff for the future. The day to day finances stay in my account because all the bills come straight out again and it's just easier. Ooh, there's me being all cold and factual again.....

I asked him years ago if he wanted to have his name on the house but he said no!
I keep asking him if he is happy and does he want to get a job instead of looking after DS but he said no!

Seriously, he can do whatever he wants, if he wants to work, he can! But he doesn't and was GRATEFUL to quit last year. All the decisions we have ever made, we made them together and they are always up for discussion if things aren't working. What more am I expected to do?

Yes, I am one of those women who doesn't like babies, but that's one year out of a lifetime, does it mean I shouldn't be a parent?? I know I'm not the only one, even my own psychiatrist said he and his wife were the same!!

Having released some of that ire, thank you to all those who have taken the time to help me and see the situation for what it is, given such good advice and shed new light on things. I was in a right state today, and have come back to hear that they've had a great day, (and made a video which was hilarious) so it is a complete rollercoaster.

OP posts:
clemetteattlee · 06/08/2012 20:45

PS if it helps I also don't like babies. If they came out aged 3 I'd have loads more but as it is NOTHING would get me to do the baby stage again.

confusedgirlfromtheShire · 06/08/2012 21:01

"70% great, 25% bored, 5% pissed off."

Actually that's more like what it is, sorry if I have misled. 70% good to great, 25% vacant, miserable, bored, wishing he was anywhere else, silent, resentful, there-but-not-there. 5% anger/swearing. To clarify, of course there is never any physical mistreatment, DS is punished only by putting him straight on the floor away from us - mainly for his own safety and he is so strong and fighty it is not safe to try to hold him when he kicks off.

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LookBehindYou · 06/08/2012 21:26

OP you're a stranger on the internet too. And as you said, you have posted a 'controversial thread.' Yet you're upset at some of the answers. Did you want a whole load of 'you're perfect and he's not' answers? Go and get some counselling and find out what you really want

QuintessentialShadows · 06/08/2012 22:59
Hmm

Charming op.

Dont like peoples opinions? Throw your rattles out of the pram, why dont you....

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