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Is there a guide to getting over someone, anywhere?

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calibri · 25/06/2012 12:08

I have been in love with the same man for about 10 years. I worked for him, although not anymore. He had a girlfriend (later his wife), I had a string of boyfriends and then a husband. Nothing went on whilst we were married . Both our marriages went to the wall and we resumed our usual on-off thing not long after. He was initially móre keen on a relationship than me (I had no trust at all and was very disinclined to get hurt), then it briefly aligned, then I was more keen than him, although we have always remained capable of being very good friends who get on like a house on fire and have the most incredible sex. We are less good at maintaining emotional closeness. He's flaky, I don't trust him - blurgh. It's no good for me. I've been through this cycle (with him) about 10 times.

Currently, despite me having tried to end it 3 times, we are back to our usual 'friends with benefits' situation. We text pretty frequently, meet up, have a brilliant time, have great sex, then it drops off again. Doesn't take a genius to work out that the brilliant sex element suits him very well.

We are both going through messy divorces, we both have young children and careers and we live 100 miles apart. It was never going to be easy. My ex husband hates him and blames him for our marriage ending: actually, I was entirely faithful and the end was nothing to do with the OM, but I did fall back to him pretty soon after the marriage ended. OM's ex wife hates me, with more reason: there was something going on during their pre-marriage relationship (2002-2004), I thought they were going to end, because he seemed so unhappy and I couldn't imagine why he could do that and still be with me from time to time, but - hey - that speaks volumes about him. His ex discovered this after they got married. So no one can blame her for giving him absolute shit about me.

I never usually find it difficult to 'call' a situation, but I cannot bloody well get myself out of this. I think it's for the following reasons:

a) It's been over 10 years. Although we haven't ever really had a proper, functioning relationship, we have been in the background of each other's lives for a long time. We just seem able to adapt and change and carry on. I feel manipulated in some ways, but I am choosing to carry on. I could stop.

b) If I could pick any man to be with, it would be him. It irritates the hell out of me because he's so bloody flaky emotionally, but he's also funny, clever, capable, kind and I fancy the arse off him. I call it 'love' bceause it is so stupidly enduring, but I don't kid myself that it's a very healthy emotion. But - shit - if he would just be with me, I would never want anyone else. That is incredibly humiliating, because it's evidently not reciprocated.

c) He won't let me go. He always wants to resume the relationship (at the current level) and, because I basically do want to be with him more than anyone else, I end up going back.

d) I retain some hope that it might work out, one day. The current situation is very difficult, so it's tempting to blame that. But I KNOW he's fucking useless and will never be there for me. Dammit, though, he is under my skin. I don't want anyone else. I'd rather be single. I am single, really, with the occasional rations, which is why it's difficult to say no when he resumes contact after I've told him to bugger off.

e) Because of the above reasons, I never really open myself up to the opportunity of meeting anyone else.

That was so long. Thank you for reading, if you did. It's helped to write it, anyway :)

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calibri · 26/06/2012 22:53

Wow, great reading. Thanks all for posting. It's so helpful and interesting to read.

Just to clarify the time scale of mine ... I've known him for 10 years and we had a very on-off thing around 2002-04. This latest round has been going on for about a year.

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calibri · 26/06/2012 22:54

And where am I today? Utterly shit. I'm in that not very good phase of interpreting his utter fucking uselessness as evidence of my own worthlessness.

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AuxeyDuresses · 26/06/2012 23:09

This is a very interesting thread. Going through similar too.

calibri. Try to put that feeling of his usefullness making you feel worthless into something positive. Focus on the fact that every time he disappoints you, whatever he's done this time, he's making you feel like shit. And you deserve better. Sorry you're having a bad day.

AuxeyDuresses · 26/06/2012 23:10

jeez.. I meant his useLESSness..sorry about that.

Tressy · 27/06/2012 10:16

Hard as it is, I keep remembering that if you don't see them they cannot keep you dangling and have lost that power.

I am wondering if I over-reacted but it's just a phase and will pass Grin.

GemsAngels · 27/06/2012 10:29

This post reminds me of the film 'The holiday' but we cant all jump on a plane and exchange homes, lives etc.
I have the book of rules and Hes just not that into you. The film is very good too :)
I believe in the 'No contact rule'
Good luck and remember you deserve better than this assclown!

calibri · 27/06/2012 20:05

Good evening, ladies :)

Feeling better tonight. Well ... worse and better. Am irritated about my money (and irritated that I am afraid of appearing unattractive by just saying - look, just bloody pay it back). BUT some of this thread had sunk in and I suddenly feel really positive about the possibility of having a relationship.

I think that this one has got under my radar by getting close when I was going through a very bitter break up. He's familiar, etc etc ... actually, it's a massive rebound job.

My divorce will come through in a week or so. And, guess what, I don't really want a shitty on-off weird sex affair with a useless bastard who doesn't know his emotional arse from his elbow. Or value me. To be fair to him (very briefly, and more as a nod to formality than anything), he is still mid divorce. Knowing I'm about to be really truly single is wonderful.

I have also started Zumba classes. They seemed to help :)

How is everyone else tonight?? Lovely weather ...

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calibri · 27/06/2012 20:06

Auxey - made same mistake re useful/useless. Perhaps that is a metaphor Wink

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Shirsten · 27/06/2012 20:47

Glad to hear you are feeling a little better. I'm feeling the same about the guy I was seeing. Missing him a lot even though I know it's for the best.

What's the money issue? I left some stuff of mine at his and I've asked him to post it back but suspect he won't ever bother. It's very irritating because I want the stuff back, in part to break the connections between us.

Being single has its advantages. I went from relationship to relationship from the age of 17 to the age of 33 without a break. I've had 2 short relationships in that time and now see myself as a singleton. I shudder when I think about a smug married I was...serves me right!

It was nice to be with someone again but I didn't like being messed around either.

Tressy · 28/06/2012 09:33

Glad your feeling better, just be relieved your divorce is coming through and focus on being happy as a single, woman who is free to have a fulfilling relationship with a lovely guy without the angst of a divorce to go through.

I'm not feeling any better atm, in fact the longer the no contact 1.5 weeks now, the harder it's getting Sad. Warm and pouring down here, so the weather isn't helping, neither is the hangover Blush.

I'm going out on Sat night with a mate for a meal and round town, poor girl will have her ear bent over this, she was with me when I hooked up with him. I've borrowed a nice dress to wear.

calibri · 28/06/2012 12:54

Shirsten - he owes me £50 for a sex toy

I really do feel better, but I want my money back, without having to see him.

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calibri · 28/06/2012 12:56

Tressy - keep talking.

I can also recommend internat dating for a bit of short term relief Wink Although it's a terrible idea, of course.

Where do you live?? Fridays are such a risk night for me, so I am raising a red flag re tomorrow ...

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Tressy · 28/06/2012 14:06

I'm off work tomorrow so being out of routine will help. Weekends are red flags for me as they were the times we saw each other. God it feels really hard atm! I'm hoping it's a case of getting worse to get better.

I'm up North. I never found many guys on the internet that I fancied when I used to look and I don't want to put my photo online atm. I will do when I'm ready to move on. Still waiting for my book to arrive to keep my resolve. I might even buy 50 shades to distract me aswell Grin.

Tressy · 28/06/2012 14:09

PS Who has possession of the sex toy Grin. Mine threatened to buy me us one but he never got round to it Angry.

calibri · 30/06/2012 11:08

Tressy - my books arrived and I'm really enjoying "It's Just a Date". Happy to send it on ... it has been bang on about my situation. I feel all empowered :)

He has the item in question. We had a brief text exchange yesterday, in which I asked for the £50, he tried to be flirty, I was having none of it and re-asserted the requirement for him to pay me back. Then didn't answer his last text. It doesn't sound like much, but it represents a major step forward for me.

Once he pays me, I have no reason to contact him again.

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Tressy · 30/06/2012 15:37

I've read half way through it's called a breakup but I'm not enjoying it. It's a lot of brainwashing, repetitive stuff and it's more for someone who is having a lifestyle change due to a breakup. Whereas mine is more 'he wanted a long term casual, keeping options open thing, and I wanted it to move onto a commitment' Is there a book called that I wonder. The only a date book might be more applicable to my situation.

Well done, let him send the last text. Did he say he would repay you? Could you write it off?

I'm off out tonight, really hope I don't bump into the ex, there is only a slight chance.

calibri · 30/06/2012 21:59

Yeah - I don't know why I picked up the Date book first, because I was also after the book you mention (we should write that) (well, not yet - it would be full of really bad advice ... but one day ...), but it has been great for blowing apart the 'I am being incredibly marvellous, but he is treating me more and more badly - wtf is going on?' stuff. And my own neediness. To quote: "The only thing less attractive than being needy is shitting your pants."

That really made me laugh, because - and this doesn't reflect well on either of us - that means he has been less attractive than me on at least one occasion Grin And, yes, I went back ... ffs ...

Hope your night went ok, Tressy. I'm happy to send you up this book, once I'm done with it. It's been really helpful.

I do feel like shit tonight, though! The only thing I'm pleased with is that I haven't replied to his last 2 texts, or shown him that I would give my right arm to see him. I also told a mutual friend that I feel I am ready to start dating again, which felt good. Previously, I would have made damn sure I didn't do anything to appear anything less than committed to Shitty Pants ... as he's now called in my phone.

(I know there is a school of thought that says I should delete his number, but then I get to see it / memorise it when he contacts me. This way, I just see 'Shitty Pants')

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Tambasher · 01/07/2012 12:43

Mine is texting and I'm replying which is silly really as I had an operation on Thursday and I cannot have any kind of sexual relations for 6 weeks! I have yet to tell him that, I think he kinda on his way to asking about our next meeting so I should really just tell him I cannot be used this way, and may not even mension operation and see what he says.

I told him off for texting me, teling him he was in my recycling box in my brain, he replied "oops" Angry Grin

Argh stop it!! Right will finish off this texting session then tell him.

Tambasher · 01/07/2012 13:19

*mention

Tressy · 02/07/2012 12:10

I don't know what I would do if mine got in touch again. He hasn't as yet. If it happens I will stick to my guns and not see him. Gosh it's so hard. I'm having a bad day today, got really drunk last night so a hangover and missing the ex is really miserable.

Tambasher · 02/07/2012 13:51

I wish I hadn't been so nice. So awake, we texted all day yesterday and I have told him I am off limits for 5/6 weeks, so I guess this will prove to me if he keeps in touch or not if it is just for sex.

I found it hard to sleep last night and kept dreaming my phone was being sent texts from him, which it wasn't!

calibri · 02/07/2012 14:43

Tambasher, you need the book I'm reading!

Tressy - yeah, I'm feeling shitty, too. Back to 'would give my right arm' stage. Just sent a very straight work email that included him. Got a very straight reply. Just feels really flat.

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calibri · 02/07/2012 14:44

And Tambasher - I hate the dreams!

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Tressy · 02/07/2012 15:14

I've only managed to not dream about him for one or two nights in the past 14.

I've been looking back and I've only felt like this 3 times before out of all the men I've known and there was so much more at stake the past 3 times. I've had lots of relationships mainly because I'm middle aged and enjoy the freedom of singledom. I'm shocked at how gut wrenching this is but realise that I am best off out of it.

mercury7 · 02/07/2012 15:37

you have my sympathy for the wrenched guts
the not sleeping
the frequent dreams
the energy sapping un-requited-ness

gah I hate it, and I'm so embarrassed at myself BlushConfused