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Is there a guide to getting over someone, anywhere?

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calibri · 25/06/2012 12:08

I have been in love with the same man for about 10 years. I worked for him, although not anymore. He had a girlfriend (later his wife), I had a string of boyfriends and then a husband. Nothing went on whilst we were married . Both our marriages went to the wall and we resumed our usual on-off thing not long after. He was initially móre keen on a relationship than me (I had no trust at all and was very disinclined to get hurt), then it briefly aligned, then I was more keen than him, although we have always remained capable of being very good friends who get on like a house on fire and have the most incredible sex. We are less good at maintaining emotional closeness. He's flaky, I don't trust him - blurgh. It's no good for me. I've been through this cycle (with him) about 10 times.

Currently, despite me having tried to end it 3 times, we are back to our usual 'friends with benefits' situation. We text pretty frequently, meet up, have a brilliant time, have great sex, then it drops off again. Doesn't take a genius to work out that the brilliant sex element suits him very well.

We are both going through messy divorces, we both have young children and careers and we live 100 miles apart. It was never going to be easy. My ex husband hates him and blames him for our marriage ending: actually, I was entirely faithful and the end was nothing to do with the OM, but I did fall back to him pretty soon after the marriage ended. OM's ex wife hates me, with more reason: there was something going on during their pre-marriage relationship (2002-2004), I thought they were going to end, because he seemed so unhappy and I couldn't imagine why he could do that and still be with me from time to time, but - hey - that speaks volumes about him. His ex discovered this after they got married. So no one can blame her for giving him absolute shit about me.

I never usually find it difficult to 'call' a situation, but I cannot bloody well get myself out of this. I think it's for the following reasons:

a) It's been over 10 years. Although we haven't ever really had a proper, functioning relationship, we have been in the background of each other's lives for a long time. We just seem able to adapt and change and carry on. I feel manipulated in some ways, but I am choosing to carry on. I could stop.

b) If I could pick any man to be with, it would be him. It irritates the hell out of me because he's so bloody flaky emotionally, but he's also funny, clever, capable, kind and I fancy the arse off him. I call it 'love' bceause it is so stupidly enduring, but I don't kid myself that it's a very healthy emotion. But - shit - if he would just be with me, I would never want anyone else. That is incredibly humiliating, because it's evidently not reciprocated.

c) He won't let me go. He always wants to resume the relationship (at the current level) and, because I basically do want to be with him more than anyone else, I end up going back.

d) I retain some hope that it might work out, one day. The current situation is very difficult, so it's tempting to blame that. But I KNOW he's fucking useless and will never be there for me. Dammit, though, he is under my skin. I don't want anyone else. I'd rather be single. I am single, really, with the occasional rations, which is why it's difficult to say no when he resumes contact after I've told him to bugger off.

e) Because of the above reasons, I never really open myself up to the opportunity of meeting anyone else.

That was so long. Thank you for reading, if you did. It's helped to write it, anyway :)

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Tressy · 04/07/2012 20:49

I don't go onto POF all the time and won't have chat so I can read messages and reply to messages in my own time.

I hate internet dating tbh and probably won't meet anyone from it.

I do think if S wanted to talk to you he wouldn't need to go via the dating site, he would ring you. I would keep of it until you don't care if he's on it or not. Hard to do I know.

Tambasher · 04/07/2012 22:42

Yeah you are right, I was out driving tonight and if he cared one tiny bit he would have texted/called by now even just to see how I am, I knew this before he went his holiday tbh, but then he texted the other night and I think I was quite high off the medication tbh as I texted him back and it was 2.00am Shock

I am about 80% over him already, he is too short, punches doors, is a bit moody, drinks too much, lives too far away, he works shifts, he has DC every 2nd weekend, he is very deep in character, I cannot read him, I like to be able read people, his house smells of dogs, erm... his eyes are too small (that could have been the drink) and he is a player,oh he also smokes weed, I think it is most of the time, he said sometimes but I think he smokes it a lot tbh, so lots of reasons not to go meet him again!! Grin

I just liked being hugged again tbh okay the sex was also nice but I think I just needed a little cuddle in with someone and he did that so that's that !! I know he is there if I ever want sex but tbh it's quite a treck just for sex, I would have to be very erm... well lets just say pre-S it had been quite a while, over a year....and we flirted for months so it was all exciting and new and good to be wanted I guess but that's it. I never ever thought I would meet him to be honest, I never thought I would have the balls to drive so far and over that horrid bridge and never thought we would meet so it was almost like a fantasy being acted out....I did it I acted out my fantasy so I can now say I have been there, done that, never done it before and it was nice (after the initial terror and awkwardness)!!

It maybe would be even better (as he says) next time round but we shall never know and when he said that to me, well texted it, I just texted back we shall see, as I knew we wouldn't as I have had this operation...he will have moved onto his next victim.

No more space in my brain to waste on him. I don't want to be used and that is what he would be doing. (another reason)

My mileage is way too high for those kind of meet ups and if he does what he is doing now (not texting) I would feel like a slapper so I am not going there again. (another reason)

I give him 6/10 for effort though, he texted every night for almost 2 weeks afterwards, now when I go to bed I turn my phone down and have done for past 2 nights, Okay I admit I was sure I heard it vibrate last night but looked at it and it was on silent so I guess I was dreaming (again)!! Smile That's it though, I think it would ruin it if I met him again, I may pay more attention to his flaws! His nose is also different than in his pic, his teeth are too (another 2 reasons)

See lots of reasons not too ever meet him again! It was nice, leave at that and have nice memories, he tbvh he reminded me of someone I have had a crush on for years but only when I looked at him from erm, cuddling position and it was when I seen this I kinda thought I had fallen for him but I haven't really I just have it built up in my mind that he looks a wee bit like this other guy!

I may even eventually see how the "other guy" is even though he was my EX best friend Blush He is very nice. I am moving my crush to where it belongs, M not S. Confused Grin

Nah I am chilling with no thoughts on any men just now. I just don't know what to say to the facebook guy, I don't know whether to just delete him, you know cut him off, a bit like pulling off a plaster, do it when he is alseep and leave him wondering WTF??? Or just keep him there...in the hope he goes off me??

Tressy · 04/07/2012 22:59

Tam, apart from the dog I can relate to most of what you have said. The weed could be an issue with his commitment problems. I've thought about this one. It's great having regular sex with someone you think a lot of but not when there is no real intimacy e.g (as in my case) you are not allowed to be in love. Fuck that! We are all better off out of it.

The joke is that you expect this sort of thing with a young guy but mine was way over the hill and should have grown up.

Someone has suggested meeting up already on POF! I might do, and he is my age not one of the toyboys.

I didn't like the books 'break up because its broken' and got bored half way through. 'Not that into you' doesn't apply because mind did all the things to make me think he was. Angry

Tambasher · 04/07/2012 23:08

Yeah well after 2.5 years I wouldn't think that book would apply?

So are you going to go on a date with this new guy? sonds promising, I wish I could find someone my age I am attracted to!! Not just now though, whenI start looking again. Smile

Yeah I think the weed is a big problem if I am honest, he bloody well grows the stuff!! That to me isn't someone who just does it occasionally even if he does sell most of what he grows I have yet to speak to him and when I ask "you stopped the weed yet"? He never has, see now that might not have bothered me as I used to smoke it, occasionally but since December I never smoke it and I can see it turns you inot a lazy, unsociable, paranoid person, well it did to me!! His sleeping pattern is all away to feck too I think this is also the weed and/or his shifts.

Tambasher · 04/07/2012 23:14

Yeah you're so right fuck that, I want to be "in love" and "loved". Eventually. I need to work on me first, so I know I am in the correct frame of mind for that perfect person to come along and slot in nicely, this may never happen but if not, you know I am actually happier now than I was when marred 2 years ago, so it's a win/win situation really, as long as I don't get in with another abusive person or chase anyone I will be fine !

Everyone needs a cuddle now and then, for now I have my electric blanket okay, not as nice much less complicated and I can turn it off and on Grin

Tressy · 05/07/2012 00:06

Exactly Tam, when you are happy with yourself and your lot, you can be so much better. Unfortunately these abusers will worm themselves in, trick is to get out as soon as you realise what's happening. It can catch us all off guard, even the most self assured person.

Tambasher · 05/07/2012 00:13

Shit he just texted me!!! Shock

Tambasher · 05/07/2012 10:53

Okay so he texted me I ignored him, he texted again asking if I had got the first text,Grin

I said yes I had it but it was late and I was going to bed night night, he asked what was wrong, I said "nothing" then told him the truth, well kind of, I said I had been chatting with a friend and felt that he was using me and I am not here to be used, I said I found it hard to seperate sex from my emotions and so felt it would be better if he didn't text. Then though that would be that, the he phoned me Shock

I almost didn't pick up but thought well, see what he wants to say, so basically in a nutshell, well a 3 hour phone conversation, he does like me, he has liked me for ages and meeting me was just the icing on the cake, he has never got along so well with any female and he cannot get me out of his mind, he woud like to take me out (knowing I cannot have sex) for dinner or anything I feel comfortable doing??

He said he doesn't have the confidence to be a player (weed), I spoke of the distance, he said if 2 people like each other distance is nothing and these things can be worked out, we kinda left it with me saying I will get in touch regarding whether I am free or not with weekend and he will come through this way so I don't have to drive and go out.

I am still not sure though, I mentioned the dating site and the fact that he is stil on it and could/is looking for a replacement for me already as I am only good for one thing, he laughed and said he just logs/off and finds it very boring now I am not there and it more a habit him going on now.

So I don't know anything anymore, I was so sure last night pre-text and phone call.

Tressy · 05/07/2012 10:59

Tam, give him another chance. You need to state what you want and need and tell him to get himself off the dating sites. Go to dinner, let him chase you and pay Grin.

This all supposing you really do want him. If not then keep looking for someone more suitable.

Good luck.

Tambasher · 05/07/2012 11:45

Yeah Tressy I am quite confused just now, my mind was so made up!!

Yeah I will wait for him to call next or text and see how it goes from there, I guess I need a way to say "I have been stalking you and you still go on that site" in a less erm... stalking way! Grin

We will see how things go, I am not going to get all excited about this. I do like him but well we shall see, there are some flaws, I guess we have flaws, I have even more than him I think. Ah we shall see what happens! Smile

How bizzare though? I think he likes me because I act cool and aloof and never ever text him but yeah the dating site needs to be discussed, we did discuss it slightly well I said "yeah until a 20something comes alone on POF then it's bye by tam I'm off with my younger lady" he replied that to him "age is nothing but thinks we have "something" maybe we do maybe we dont!

I also told him that I was acting out my fantasy with him and was just going to leave it at that but he said "why leave it when we get on so well"?.

Because I don't want to get hurt, but i didn't sat that. Maybe I should have.

Time will tell.

Tambasher · 05/07/2012 11:53

Oh and now a good morning text 7/10 for effort.

Tambasher · 05/07/2012 23:13

Will keep this short as possible, texting all day, I sneaked onto site to see he had changed his heading to "looking for my sweetheart" WTF? So I dumped him via TEXT! He did not respond to us still being friends and keeping the memories we had and leaving it at that!

So

Back to being simple again and single. It was a gut feeling!! May have been wrong decision but I made so stand by it!

fizzfiend · 06/07/2012 01:23

Hello from someone who has been there. Your title says that you want to get over him, but you then say you do not want anyone else. Know what...that is a really crap position to be in. He does not reciprocate...you love him more...this is never going to go anywhere. I needed people to tell me this about 100 times before I got it into my head and realised I was in a lose/lose situation. I haven't read the whole thread but read baggage reclaim.com....it helped me realised I was wasting my precious time on someone who i thought I was madly in love with. I felt life was nothing without him...now I barely think of him. It's a powerful feeling to realise you don't need someone who is giving nothing or very little back.

fizzfiend · 06/07/2012 01:40

p.s don't expect your no-contact to be a magic solution. You will feel crap....for ages. Then one day you will realise that you're wasting too much energy on someone who doesn't really give a crap. Then you realise that you can actually have fun with your kids/your friends. That, my friend, is a beautiful day. I speak as someone who never thought life could be good again. It can...and better, because you have regained control of your life.

Tressy · 06/07/2012 11:52

Tam, if he's updated his profile then you have done the right thing by ending it. Now to put your energy into moving on.

Fizz, I realise that no contact isn't a magic cure but it's the best you can do. If you tried to keep contact these guys would keep us dangling, think we will accept crap from them and we would be accepting crumbs. I know it makes us feel like crap, I feel like crap everyday when he pops into my head. But this way will help us get over them a hell of a lot quicker than contact.

How long did it take you to feel better?

Tambasher · 06/07/2012 15:33

I was a little sad at wrting S of then him texting and getting my hopes up, then seeing THAT HEADLINE!

I told him he could have had his sweet-heart, she was here but I obviuolsy was not what he was looking for and high myself in such a regard I will play second best to no-one, and not be just some sex object (he kept on about "best sex in all his life" ) Well he just lost that! I have also deleted his number. Smile

Oh how quickly things move on, my local (not too bad looking windows cleaner) just told me he feels lonley too sometimes (he seen DC cases in middle of floor) and just to call him if I ever wanted "company"! He is another young one though, so I am not dating him, should I see him we can chat, I cannot do anything other that chat tbh with this operation, good operation!

Tressy · 06/07/2012 15:38

I would keep the window cleaner on the back burner for now. See him by all means but give it a bit of time.

calibri · 06/07/2012 18:20

FizzFiend - thank you. I really needed to read that tonight. I do feel like crap! I used to see him on a Friday night (children see their Dad), so - you know - it's the night to feel crap.

Tambasher - bejaysus, girl, you fit a lot in Grin How are you tonight?

Tressy? All ok? x

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Tambasher · 06/07/2012 19:16

Hey I'm good, Off dating site, no windows cleaners here, just enjoying the peace and quiet tbh regarding "window cleaner" I don't really want to go explaining this op to lots of men so if I see him in passing I shall wave but that's it, I need me times, I thought I might feel lonley with the boys going away but I am sure I can do just fine.

Little bit sad, well not sad just erm... pissed off slightly about S and his "looking for wee swear-heart" I'm a fecking sweet-heart fgs Grin More sad at his total silence to my texts most likely because he has nothing to say to worm himself out of the sitauation I think. His loss. He punches doors and will no doubt be drinking too much as we speak in his doggy smelly house tinged with the smell of weed! I guess he just likes doing what I like sexually so it made for a perfect match (sexually) but other than that he was/is too young.

I went on POF last nigth and have been asked out by a 49 year old man whose wife died in a car accident leaving him and his 11 year old daughter but he goes to church and is looking for someone to share this with him. He is too old tbh. Grin

calibri · 06/07/2012 19:40

I had lunch with a - well, I don't know what he is, really. I went on Match briefly, back in March (when I first tried to get away from Shitty Pants), and he contacted me in the 2 days I was on there. I very quickly decided I didn't want any kind of romantic involvement with him (i.e. don't fancy him at all), but he's right up my street otherwise. But - blurgh - really not attractive to me at all. Older than I want, too. But we talk and email quite a bit; we like a lot of the same stuff, so it's usually just about that - nothing else at all.

Anyway, it was his birthday yesterday and he was feeling a bit shitty about it, so I said we'd have lunch. First time we've met. It was a game of two halves: really interesting talk about some general stuff (music, politics etc) followed by nightmareishly stilited when it got onto anything personal.

You know what struck me? I may not have the world's best conversational skills :) I think 7 years with DH (hardly Mr Chat) and then a year not having to think about anything to talk about with Shitty Pants (because we had so much history / stuff in common - always something to talk about, and if we didn't, we could go to bed) - I don't know if I can actually talk about anything. It was gutting. I need to find an interesting hobby Wink

Or I can only talk to Shitty Pants. Let's not go there.

Maybe I can only talk to people I've known for 10 years.

Blurgh.

I'm starting to be afraid to go on dates.

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calibri · 06/07/2012 19:45

Oh, also - been in touch with someone else via the dating website. I thought he was lovely, but I've been playing it all very much by the rules - so not chasing him at all - but he's dropped off a bit. Well, I don't know what's reasonable contact, to be honest. I think I like far more contact than most people, so I'm trying not to read too much into it. But am leaving it to him to get in touch first.

I think he might be married or something, actually - he's quite chatty in the day, but it drops off at exactly 6pm. What do you reckon, ladies??

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calibri · 06/07/2012 19:53

Tambasher, can I say - I really don't know what the fuck S is doing, either. Usually, I can read these "what is this bloke up to" posts and think, "Uh oh" about someone, but he really, really gives out mixed messages. I don't blame you at all for being confused! Do you think maybe he's stoned half the time? I do think there might be some kind of connection between avoiding intimacy and smoking dope - most people I know who've smoked regularly do it to unwind and forget the shit they feel.

Actually - light bulb! - Shitty Pants is a dope smoker. I tend to forget it because he doesn't do it around me (and he's a really successful businessman - hardly the dropout type), but I think he prefers oblivion to taking responsibility for his own feelings (or anyone else's).

See, these blokes are frigging nightmares.

Do you think they might be on a parallel website somewhere, moaning about us?? (" ... and whatever I did, she always wanted more!")

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Tambasher · 06/07/2012 21:49

All I can think is S wants someone closer to where he lives, younger, smaller in height and then I give up.

Talking of shitty pants mine just contacted me and asked me to be "civil" I told him I would rather die than have any thing to do with him, the past is the past and not a place I want to re-visit, he didn't have my number...now I may have to change numbersd if last year has anything to go by! Then S really will not be able to contact me to say I am his sweet-heart after all Hmm and dogs may not fly either... Smile Feeling a bit sad about S and EX, may throw blasted phone out the window!

calibri · 06/07/2012 22:18

Phones are the devil ...

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