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Is there a guide to getting over someone, anywhere?

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calibri · 25/06/2012 12:08

I have been in love with the same man for about 10 years. I worked for him, although not anymore. He had a girlfriend (later his wife), I had a string of boyfriends and then a husband. Nothing went on whilst we were married . Both our marriages went to the wall and we resumed our usual on-off thing not long after. He was initially móre keen on a relationship than me (I had no trust at all and was very disinclined to get hurt), then it briefly aligned, then I was more keen than him, although we have always remained capable of being very good friends who get on like a house on fire and have the most incredible sex. We are less good at maintaining emotional closeness. He's flaky, I don't trust him - blurgh. It's no good for me. I've been through this cycle (with him) about 10 times.

Currently, despite me having tried to end it 3 times, we are back to our usual 'friends with benefits' situation. We text pretty frequently, meet up, have a brilliant time, have great sex, then it drops off again. Doesn't take a genius to work out that the brilliant sex element suits him very well.

We are both going through messy divorces, we both have young children and careers and we live 100 miles apart. It was never going to be easy. My ex husband hates him and blames him for our marriage ending: actually, I was entirely faithful and the end was nothing to do with the OM, but I did fall back to him pretty soon after the marriage ended. OM's ex wife hates me, with more reason: there was something going on during their pre-marriage relationship (2002-2004), I thought they were going to end, because he seemed so unhappy and I couldn't imagine why he could do that and still be with me from time to time, but - hey - that speaks volumes about him. His ex discovered this after they got married. So no one can blame her for giving him absolute shit about me.

I never usually find it difficult to 'call' a situation, but I cannot bloody well get myself out of this. I think it's for the following reasons:

a) It's been over 10 years. Although we haven't ever really had a proper, functioning relationship, we have been in the background of each other's lives for a long time. We just seem able to adapt and change and carry on. I feel manipulated in some ways, but I am choosing to carry on. I could stop.

b) If I could pick any man to be with, it would be him. It irritates the hell out of me because he's so bloody flaky emotionally, but he's also funny, clever, capable, kind and I fancy the arse off him. I call it 'love' bceause it is so stupidly enduring, but I don't kid myself that it's a very healthy emotion. But - shit - if he would just be with me, I would never want anyone else. That is incredibly humiliating, because it's evidently not reciprocated.

c) He won't let me go. He always wants to resume the relationship (at the current level) and, because I basically do want to be with him more than anyone else, I end up going back.

d) I retain some hope that it might work out, one day. The current situation is very difficult, so it's tempting to blame that. But I KNOW he's fucking useless and will never be there for me. Dammit, though, he is under my skin. I don't want anyone else. I'd rather be single. I am single, really, with the occasional rations, which is why it's difficult to say no when he resumes contact after I've told him to bugger off.

e) Because of the above reasons, I never really open myself up to the opportunity of meeting anyone else.

That was so long. Thank you for reading, if you did. It's helped to write it, anyway :)

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Tressy · 07/08/2012 12:28

Mellower, tbh I hate internet dating. I've had a few conversations with guys on POF but only when I'm really bored. I find it such an un-natural way to meet someone.

calibri · 07/08/2012 14:24

Re internet dating: in my experience, it's pretty good at identifying people you can talk to. It's not so good at identifying people you fancy.

Of the very few horribly numerous dates I've had, I have not really fancied any of them. Quite fancied 1 (but that was a real 'well, I could probably go through with it' feeling), but he didn't fancy me. As for the rest - feel a bit vomity at the thought of it.

Still thinking of Taxi Driver, although I have convinced myself that we would be caught up in a very traumatic Cultural Drama. I keep thinking of him naked.

Seeing Shitty Pants next Tuesday. Work thing. Want sex Blush Really need to not have sex with him Confused

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Tressy · 07/08/2012 14:35

I've had a strange thing happen. Got a message a while ago from someone I knew at school. He has been living away and is back home. Anyways, I was wondering if he was single now etc etc.

I've had a friend staying with me and she went to visit another mutual friend and text to say she is in the car with said this guy giving her a lift. She isn't local and doesn't know him but I must have been discussed as she said what a coincidence!!!

So I should find out more later. Although I probs won't fancy him now and vice versa.

Tressy · 07/08/2012 14:38

Out of the internet dates I've had over the years. 80% I didn't fancy, 10% I did and was mutual (but didn't go very far) maybe one or two I didn't hear back from, one was ok the other I didn't fancy. So it hasn't been horrendous but I cannot be bothered to waste time on it.

calibri · 07/08/2012 16:55

How is she in his car if she doesn't know him? Oh - the mutual friend knows him? Not sure how the mutuality is lying here :)

How fit was he back then, Tressy?

Similar internet 'success' rates to me, actually. 5 I didn't fancy, 1 I fancied a bit ... no one who's really rocked my world.

Told my mother about The Piano Man. She was disappointed I wasn't about to become incredibly rich, but really did laugh her socks off at the whole singing to me thing. I can't decide if he was really trying his best to be romantic, or if he's a total sleazy shitbag used to bedding women within seconds of meeting him, due to his huge cash mountain.

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Tressy · 07/08/2012 18:06

Who knows Calibri, it's hard to know if someone is trying to play you when you first meet. Well I find it hard to work out. It sound cringe worthy or hilarious depending how you took him.

Friend rang her friend to say she was getting a train through who said a was also visiting, will see if he can pick you up. So it was quite a coincidence. Found out more, all good and I have to wait and see if he contacts me. He was really nice many years ago and friend assures me he is still attractive.

Lythamgirl · 07/08/2012 20:46

Oh my goodness what I read us just what my partner is like... Well he is no longer my partner nor should I give him that term either. The difference is we have a son together and he still can't commit to me. He likes his independence.. He never goes out or anything but likes his own space and time with his eldest son. I hZve a 5 bedroom house do we have just had this argument why and what are his reason. We have fantastic sex and go for meals Abd I love him dearly with all my heart but at the end if the day he is not 'in' live with me! I have called it off as life too short not to live to the full. He told me today I no longer have time for Jon but I have been helping out with my grandchild who is very sick.

To me it says it all you must no matter hard like I block him to a degree and move up Abd forward.

Good luck xx

Mellower · 07/08/2012 21:35

Welcome to our world! Smile

I too do not like internet dating I was counting last nght how many menI have dated and it's 11.

I found 1 half attractive. We dated for a month, he was terrible in bed. Blush

I did talk a lovely handsome guy for a few months, he was widowed, I was very attracted to him, but he dissapeared back into RL world. He was hot hot hot. I would have drove 40 miles to meet him. Hmmm wonder whatever happened to him.

I don't like internet dating either, it's just "easy", I do not have many any friends here to go out with, tbh my confidence is zero (class starting 22nd which I WILL attend) also starting another erm... type of class, well it is for women who have been in abusive relationships 28th August, so hopefully between the 2 classes/programmes I may meet some friends and finally have some sort of social life to meet real people in real life.

I have not been on the dating site since Saturday when S contacted me, I have lost interest and all the men who want to meet me are bald or over-weight, or too old, or looking for sex. So me and online dating are a no go anymore.

I still have a crush on my EX's - ex best friend, I am unsure if he is available though and very afraid to contact him, I have him on facebook but not sure how to strike up a conversation with him as he is never really there, well his mobile shows beside his name but he never posts much. We spoke once when I sent him and friend request and we chatted for a wee while and he ended with x but that could just be friendly x. Confused

Although I was in the garden today showing my ass off to all (by accident) weeding and a very nice guy drove past and slowed down, he looked very very nice. I was hopeing he would stop tbh, I will be doing more weeding tomorrow, maybe not with these fall down jeans on though Grin I am not sure a builders bum is hot, even at size 10/12!!

Oh I forgot I am off men, I can look but not touch!! I think S is possibly pissed off as I still have not contacted him with my mobile number Grin nae luck S, your loss Mr "I don't want a relationship", I don't want one either, especially with you in your wetsuit.

I have a guy from school chatting to me on Facebook sometimes, he is a fun guy but again he is over-weight. Maybe I am too fussy and need to lower my standards or put him on a diet???

I would love to have butterflies again though.

I also have (I) who texts me, he lives 40 miles away but he does not give me butterflies.

Facebook guy is really starting to annoy me now, I cannot go on without him jumping onto the chat with "HI MELLOWER How's you" grrr "I was good but am trying to talk to someone"..."bla bla bla bla", Me: yeah cool. Take the hint ffs....

I am also starting the Gym and Zumba when DC go back to school so gym = hot men? Hmm just for looking at of course......for now. I also have a building site near me just now and phew... few hot men there but how to stike up conversation in the shop?

Maybe next year. Hmm

Get counselling, get confident, meet nice men. Too much to ask?

Mellower · 07/08/2012 21:41

No sex with shitty guy, YES to old school friend and OMG he played the piano and sang Grin

Oh that would have been too funny, I would have laughed!!

Tressy · 07/08/2012 21:51

Mellower, slow down Grin. Just a little time out for yourself might help atm and if anything nice comes along you can decide whether they are worth it.

I go on facebook offline mostly. Cannot stand people trying to speak to me whom I might not have the time to chat too, or I just don't want to. I only go online if I have time and want to engage.

Lythamgirl, sorry you have had to go through similar with the father of your DC. It must be harder when there is a child to consider.

Lythamgirl · 08/08/2012 07:47

Aww it's awful it's day three no contact and I am hurting, think its because he has been honest snd said I font have time for him etc. slit if my time us spent with my daughter but her son is terminally suck so that's very important ti give her support and take them out etc. x

This has been like thus for years though not just recent. We were going ti live together and move in and he fold his house And we extended mine then he just said he was not ready si rented and still rents. He is not a fit mzn himself but lively natured zbd very kind. We generally have sexy fiery month. The thing us we always argue as he never comes ti my house, never sleep at his etc snd he won't talk about the future. I live him I know I di but why I don't know as ut hurts but we never have foment any Christmas together or anything. I go on holiday on my own and he texts me nice messages saying he us going to try zbd name an effort etc but it never works.

I will never take his son away from him and he us having him every friday night.

He scud yesterday perhaps we should talk and I hold him I hZve nothing ti say as been like this for years now and can't take no more. My eldest daughter is going to uni in sept si he has no excuses to move in but I don't think he lived me as thd past few days would of contacted me don't you agree?

He never sends me cards, flowers or presents no more as he did years ago. He never tells me he loves me either which hurts me ad I told him a couple if days ago I love him Abd all I wanted was to be his freind and look after him... Foolish me. I will drop our son off fruday Abd just go. Tell me please ut gets easier Abd help me not to go back into thus circle as it driving me crazy xxx

Love to everybody x

calibri · 08/08/2012 12:32

Mellower - 'Get counselling, get confident, meet nice men. Too much to ask?' - I would scrub out 'meet nice men' for now and replace with 'get incredibly shapely bum doing Zumba'. Build it and they will come Wink

Lytham - oh, love, you do have my sympathy. As Tressy says: how incredibly difficult to deal with it when you have a child to consider as well. Keep talking to us: it is really, really bloody difficult to get past the initial stages. Have you had a look at any of the Greg Behrendt books? And www.baggagereclaim.com? It does get easier after a long time, but it takes a VERY long time and you have to keep moving in the same direction i.e. away from him. For you and your boy. Can I get this right: is he really saying he doesn't have time for his son?

Tressy - keep us posted :) Sounds promising :)

Me - talking to Piano Man (funnily enough, he's just texted me to say he has a new piano), but I'm not very interested. Geoff the Banker is writing me messages and he seems alright. I'm seeing Shitty Pants next Tuesday and have just arranged to see my friend that evening, so I absolutely can't accidentally hang around the office for too long and sit on his massive cock Blush

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calibri · 08/08/2012 12:33

I think this may be the longest I've gone without sex for about 15 years.

I didn't think I had that much of a sex drive, but I obviously have a minimum requirement.

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calibri · 08/08/2012 12:35

Shouldn't have made that sitting comment. Now rather fixated on that.

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Mellower · 09/08/2012 10:30

I had to remove myself from dating site.

S was getting under my skin, offerred a fortnightly relationship, full body massage being nice to the horridness surrouding my life atm. Sad

I had to leave I am to weak and would have fallen for his kindness shit.
I wanted to be with him last night, I am going through a very terrible time.

I will PM you.

Mellower · 15/08/2012 07:48

Hope everyone is keeping strong.

I had 3 dates at the weekend. yougogirl

I am not ready to date.

Confirmed. I freeze my head it too full of ex to date I mean WTF wants to hear some woman drabbling on about her fecked up ex?? Only S and he knew he was getting somewhere then something.

Tressy · 15/08/2012 12:47

Mellower at least you know to wait a while before dating.

Why am I here? Oh yes it's because of some guy I used to know. What was his name again? Grin

I'm so over him. I half expect he is expecting to hear from me about something soon. He won't be and I hope he has forgotton about it because I'd rather not here from him. It's been radio silence for a couple of weeks and long may it last. I have more important things to think about, yah!

Tressy · 15/08/2012 12:48

'hear'

calibri · 16/08/2012 19:18

Ok, I saw shitty Pants and ended up sleeping with him. I do so fancy that man.

It was meant to be just sex, but yesterday was awful ... but today, I'm getting past it.

You may now call me a twat.

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Tressy · 17/08/2012 10:49

Calibri, you t--t Grin. Oh well you will get fed up eventually. How has it been since?

I gave in and text mine last night with some news as promised. I did think about not bothering. A bit of banter back and forth. A mate of mine who had met him was with me and she concluded that he was a womaniser, had a massive ego and was OK for a bit of fun, he knows how to treat a woman, but not to get emotionally involved as he is so shallow. Which is how I played it for a long time. Sums it up really.

calibri · 17/08/2012 22:45

Tressy, they really could be the same man. How are you feeling now?

I felt awful on Wednesday, perked up a bit yesterday, but had a bit of a relapse today. We exchanged a few texts last night and he ended up making a not-very-funny joke which really a) hurt b) pissed me off. He is such a self-obsessed bastard. So I didn't reply (bear with me: that's a big thing for me. Look, I'm growing).

Tonight he sent me a text, obviously meant for someone else, saying where he was. He went to the cricket @ Lords today, so was travelling back from central London - sent a text to whoever was going to meet him. I have no idea if it was to his ex (or not, who knows) wife, new bit of stuff or maybe his Dad, but - anyway - it's another kick in the teeth. I didn't reply to that one, either. Again, this is a small but significant improvement on my usual lapdog behaviour.

He really is a self-obsessed bastard. Balding self-obsessed bastard. With ever increasing tufts of hair on his back and nasty saggy creases forming (I just need to say this, to break the 'he's so gorgeous' spell I'm under).

I feel so ... I don't know, rejected. Like I'm shoddy goods. But the fact I don't have a current relationship isn't really anything to do with him. If I hadn't got involved with him again, I'd either be with shitty ex husband (which would be awful) or as I am now, single. True, I wouldn't have been through the mill in quite the same way, but the net effect is the same.

Sorry to bang on. This was a relapse, but I've bounced back more quickly and I don't think I will repeat it.

Feel free to raise an eyebrow at that one .... Wink

Does me the power of good to get it down here, though. I'm thinking of starting a blog: "Letter to a Bastard Boyfriend". Not that he ever was my boyfriend.

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Tressy · 18/08/2012 19:23

Calibri, You are not shoddy goods. His behaviour is shoddy full stop. Please don't go thinking it's you.

Mine has just left. Came over for a cup of tea and that's all. I have said I will see him but there won't be any sex. He is cool with this and has started working out how we can see each other whilst avoiding getting naked. Now this all sounds very reasonable of him and from an outsider looking in it might mean that he values my company. But fact is, I'm nothing special to him and this is how he still has this harem. I'm not the main woman anymore but one of the others!!!!!

Good thing is and he doesn't know it is that I have a date planned. Many weeks in advance but it's with someone I've already mentioned on here and he has just got round to asking me out. Way to go me. I'm really looking forward to it.

Hope you are feeling ok soon. How about you doing the same as me. See him now and again on a platonic basis whilst you look around. I'm not sure how it will work out tbh but hey everything else has failed so far.

Mellower · 21/08/2012 21:04

No shoddies on here!!

Okay I have had a few conversations with S but just online and few texts but nothing major. Nothing sexual!!

Confidence class tomorrow, I'm, crapping it (sorry cannot think of better way to put it)!

Mellower · 21/08/2012 21:05

Okay you had a small re-laspe, you are now over it and ready to be strong once again!! x

TurnipCake · 21/08/2012 21:56

Can I join?

It has been almost 3 weeks of no contact (and almost 3 weeks since he broke it off with me). He has contacted me twice since we broke up via text and I have ignored both. I sent his stuff back to him in the post and deleted him from my FB.

I know it's the right decision as he was a lying, cheating sack of shit, but sometimes I still feel lonely, or something will trigger off a memory. No interest in dating until I've sorted myself out (been seeing a therapist for almost 2 months and it's going well).

I'd love for him to regret me one day but he doesn't have the emotional depth to think that far, and if he ever does realise, I'll be past caring

Sending strength to everyone else :)