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Is there a guide to getting over someone, anywhere?

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calibri · 25/06/2012 12:08

I have been in love with the same man for about 10 years. I worked for him, although not anymore. He had a girlfriend (later his wife), I had a string of boyfriends and then a husband. Nothing went on whilst we were married . Both our marriages went to the wall and we resumed our usual on-off thing not long after. He was initially móre keen on a relationship than me (I had no trust at all and was very disinclined to get hurt), then it briefly aligned, then I was more keen than him, although we have always remained capable of being very good friends who get on like a house on fire and have the most incredible sex. We are less good at maintaining emotional closeness. He's flaky, I don't trust him - blurgh. It's no good for me. I've been through this cycle (with him) about 10 times.

Currently, despite me having tried to end it 3 times, we are back to our usual 'friends with benefits' situation. We text pretty frequently, meet up, have a brilliant time, have great sex, then it drops off again. Doesn't take a genius to work out that the brilliant sex element suits him very well.

We are both going through messy divorces, we both have young children and careers and we live 100 miles apart. It was never going to be easy. My ex husband hates him and blames him for our marriage ending: actually, I was entirely faithful and the end was nothing to do with the OM, but I did fall back to him pretty soon after the marriage ended. OM's ex wife hates me, with more reason: there was something going on during their pre-marriage relationship (2002-2004), I thought they were going to end, because he seemed so unhappy and I couldn't imagine why he could do that and still be with me from time to time, but - hey - that speaks volumes about him. His ex discovered this after they got married. So no one can blame her for giving him absolute shit about me.

I never usually find it difficult to 'call' a situation, but I cannot bloody well get myself out of this. I think it's for the following reasons:

a) It's been over 10 years. Although we haven't ever really had a proper, functioning relationship, we have been in the background of each other's lives for a long time. We just seem able to adapt and change and carry on. I feel manipulated in some ways, but I am choosing to carry on. I could stop.

b) If I could pick any man to be with, it would be him. It irritates the hell out of me because he's so bloody flaky emotionally, but he's also funny, clever, capable, kind and I fancy the arse off him. I call it 'love' bceause it is so stupidly enduring, but I don't kid myself that it's a very healthy emotion. But - shit - if he would just be with me, I would never want anyone else. That is incredibly humiliating, because it's evidently not reciprocated.

c) He won't let me go. He always wants to resume the relationship (at the current level) and, because I basically do want to be with him more than anyone else, I end up going back.

d) I retain some hope that it might work out, one day. The current situation is very difficult, so it's tempting to blame that. But I KNOW he's fucking useless and will never be there for me. Dammit, though, he is under my skin. I don't want anyone else. I'd rather be single. I am single, really, with the occasional rations, which is why it's difficult to say no when he resumes contact after I've told him to bugger off.

e) Because of the above reasons, I never really open myself up to the opportunity of meeting anyone else.

That was so long. Thank you for reading, if you did. It's helped to write it, anyway :)

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Mellower · 31/07/2012 20:55

Ah shit here we go, he is being nice. Apparently he is not the one in the "mood", I asked who was then left oh no, my phone beeped, we have resumed contact [wails] Sad Shock Confused

Someone stop me........ ah shit I am going back again!!

Mellower · 31/07/2012 20:58

Ha! not found his "wee sweetheart" knows my 6 weeks no sex thing is almost up so he is contacting me being nice.

bastard

Oh no.... another beep ~ go away wetsuitman, I am was over you and put the bloody wetsuit picture back up!!!

Tressy · 31/07/2012 21:38

Mellower, he has counted the 6 weeks down, don't meet him. Not saying don't speak to him or whatever because it's hard to do. I know.

Just been for a chat with some girlfriends, they found it hard to comprehend what 'he' has done to me.

Mellower · 31/07/2012 21:49

Yes I will not meet him, he is weed smoker I am not, I don't want to hurt myself agaiin both my heart and my erm...other bits, they are still sensitive and I am only on week 5 so no way hosie, he obviously has been getting no attention and has no started adding x to his posts again.

Blasted site, I must remember the wetsuit pic, although he hasn't messaged back since I asked him if it was a wetsuit Grin Just asked what I have been up to and he has "just bn wrkin n lkin after boys n golf n usual shit" His usualone line sentances! and........text speak!!! I am now going to log out and if he messages again not log back on.

Bloody ignoring me for days and then coming and talking how dare he! Even if I did send him the first message ... I should have ignored the ugly pic and left him to it!!

Tressy · 31/07/2012 21:53

Just imagine how you would feel if you saw him again and then logged on and he changed his pics the next day, or what he's looking for and/or doesn't ring you when you get home etc. Keep that thought in mind.

calibri · 31/07/2012 23:31

These disgusting men. It should be a criminal offence.

Tressy, please be strong. You are terrific.

Mellower, I'm pretty sure he wants sex. Possibly too lazy to have a wank. And that's a nasty thing to say, isn't it, except that I think he's a nasty piece of work who doesn't give a tuppenny about your happiness. And you're marvellous, so save it for someone who does want you to be happy.

I don't know why, but what you've both said tonight has utterly depressed me (not that it's your fault: it's just affirmed a background feeling of shittiness). I am just so depressed that this trio of fuckers is doing this. I mean, I don't even know the pair of you and I want SO MUCH for you both to see that you are worth so much more than this shoddy treatment. How can they do it to us?? HOW? Total, utter bastards. Irresponsible fuckers. We share the most intimate act possible with them and they treat us like this. It disgusts me.

I'm up and down like a yo-yo. I still want him. I still really, really want him. Makes me sick. I keep fantasising about the day that all my coolness pays off and I win the fucker back.

Pathetic. i can drag myself back from the brink with a distraction here and there, but - make no mistake - I am a total fool for that man. I just feel he's all I've ever wanted.

(I might have lost the plot a bit, eh??)

See, I'm already coming back from the brink. But it really upsets me sometimes. I feel so horribly helpless in the face of my own feelings. It seems so stupid, not to be able to control my own emotional reaction, when it causes me such pain. I just want it to stop.

Well, what I really want is him. Still.

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Mellower · 01/08/2012 11:31

I did good, I exchanged pleasantries then left, 3 messages in total.

He has told me he doesn't want a relationship, he looks silly in a wetsuit, he is so not 5'10 and thinking back he drinks too much, smokes weed and just NO! I will keep away from the site as he seems so lazy/stoned that I doubt he would contact me if I wasn't there, although he did last night but that was becaue I contacted him and he is obviously getting no attention from anyone else.

I have lost the horrid used feeling he left me with but I remember it and it wasn't nice. Okay he called daily for a week, sorry texted.... then called once but nope, I am not going there again. I am not ready for that,I have other crap going on in my life atm I need to be dealing with without making myself feel low through having possibly sore sex with him.

I also think my Doctor was giving me basic 6 week guidline because the thought of anything like that just now makes me wince. There is also a very good chance that if you have one of these cysts you are likely to get another so no no no, especially not for one night of sex. I am not that desperate, I was when I met him last time as it had been a year, then a build up of texts Grin

I like to think of him as acting out a fantasy, I fantasied about him for months, met him acted out my fantasies and that's it done and dusted.

I also think he has an addiction to the site, he goes on at the same times daily, his nose is also a bit funny and I had to keep reminding myself when with him about the picture off the internet which he no longer has (I have it I copied it Blush) but he doesn't look like that in RL.

He took a proper strop for a good few weeks and he can do it again easily, so no way am I going there again he just wants sex and re: laziness about wanking he would text me when he needed a wank, I am useless at sexting as I write stories, not short erotic messages, so he isn't even getting my new number.

Tressy · 01/08/2012 12:15

Calibri, I get what you mean about playing it cool and hoping it works and they come and promise you the earth. I was deep down hoping that would happen in my case. It did, in that he came around saying I was right, he was sorry etc than once he got his oats.... Well the conversation changed tone.

Not all men are like this, some of the others, are the opposite and all over you within days of meeting, they are just as bad. I want a happy medium, a regular, exclusive relationship. Not marriage or moving in but someone who can show me a bit of respect and if I'm not ultimately what he wants then to move on before s--g someone else. How hard can it be.

Mellower · 01/08/2012 13:53

I agree Tressy, I met another man and he was the opposite of wetsuitman, he would not leave me alone, it was horrid, "do you find me attractive?" "can we date?", "can we just be friends then?" No No No

A happy medium would be good. I actually have a happy medium with the guy I deleted from FB but Oh I don't know....it may sound very bad if I typed the truth but his big black glasses put me off him a bit. Blush

The 40/50 mile away guy seems nice but he is the height as me, I have a thing about height, I may need to lose that but that still leaves the 40/50 miles away thing, he cannot move (not that I moving too quickly here Blush but he has 3 DDs, is also only 31, and is at university so he wouldn't move and I refuse to move to where he is, I did that for my X husband and well that was a waste of 16 years, excluding my lovely DC.

Just now I am off men for a bit.

Oh I keep forgetting to say, I had a lesbian contact me on the dating site Grin I didn't know whether to be flattered or to ignore her so I said "thanks I am very flattered but no thanks". [shock Blush

MaloryMad · 01/08/2012 14:01

Well I've been lurking since my posts way back at the beginning, but I need to get a bit off my chest...
My "assclown" (am a huge fan of the baggage reclaim site) hasn't been in touch again now since mid June. I just ignored his last text so hopefully he'll fuck off again.
It's been at least two years since we last saw each other in person. I had tried to end it and he came back all over me and I fell for it, briefly. Then I realised I didn't believe it. I think he believed it at the time, but I don't think he'll ever change.
Anyway, over a month since his text but I hate this - it's stirred up all the old feelings and I am thinking about the git every single day. I bet he's not given me a thought since the minute he pressed send on that text 6 weeks ago.

Oh and FWIW, this will probably depress you all, but I'm 50 years old. I had hoped that I'd be immune to this sort of BS by now, but sadly no, it seems we can still fall for these tosspots even in our advanced years....

calibri · 01/08/2012 14:07

Yes, I've also been pretty scathing of the men who seem ridiculously keen to get involved. It feels as if that is about the relationship rather than the person; like, they've been looking at their pile of washing, takeaway boxes and unwanked penis in puzzlement and - aha! - realise the problem is that they need a new woman! Yes, sunshine, it was that attitude that lost you the previous one.

However, I had a bit of an unusual ego boostyesterday. I've been feeling all a bit worthless, almost as if I'm not - um - socially up to being in a relationship with a decent man. Does that make any sense? Shitty Pants always kept me in the shadows, so I felt I was something to be ashamed of. But I was very randomly hit upon by two besuited men in the supermarket yesterday (the secret being: go in a supermarket in a tight business dress, heels and a push-up bra), as well as starting to chat to a rather nice professional bloke on the dating site. So I just feel a bit better about that side of things. This sounds unbelievably stupid, doesn't it? Shitty Pants has done such a job on me, though ... I feel like I'm good for nothing Sad

Mellower, was your lesbian lady fit? You never know :)

Tressy, did you say you were on any kind of dating site? They're not exactly the answer, but it distracts me a bit. Of course, the bad weeks when all you get are old men and freaks are a bit tough, but ... well, it can't get any worse.

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MaloryMad · 01/08/2012 14:13

pmsl at "unwanked penis"

calibri · 01/08/2012 15:21
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calibri · 01/08/2012 15:50

Malory, how are you, by the way? I've just read back to your original posts.

Also made me realise that I last slept with Shitty Pants a week before I thought I did. So I'm now almost 6 weeks clear.

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Tressy · 01/08/2012 18:21

I have a profile up, it doesn't say much and hasn't got a photo on it, but I've still had messages. Sent a flirt to someone and he messaged me and has been chatting a bit but my heart isn't in it.

Yes Mellower, was she fit? I might have been tempted Grin.

Malory, I don't want to admit my age but believe me you are not alone.

'He' has been in touch. I replied 'goodbye', oh this is so hard. I have to stop seeing him, he's upsetting me every time. He wants to be friends Sad.

Mellower · 01/08/2012 18:49

Nah she wasn't my type. Too manly Grin

unwanked penis {hahahaha}

I have been so bosy today and keeping away from dating site but been chatting with FB guy I deleted but he can somehow still message me Confused He seems so nice but I am just not attracted to him. He now wants to meet. bleugh! I half agreed to meet in a few weeks time and then said I have to go make dinner, after looking once again at his pic.... why am I so erm...wassaword when you want them too look nice? It's not vain ...... into nice looking men? There is a word for this I cannot find it in my brain.

Hi Malory I don't think age matters where these barstewards come in!!

Mellower · 01/08/2012 18:50

Oh he wants to be "friends" ha! Tell him no, you have enough "friends" more of nothing! Be brutal. Horrid horrid men!! I wish I had an island for them to be sent to! With NO females on it.

Mellower · 01/08/2012 18:51

*busy not bosy although have been bossy with DS2 and him dressing up using tea-towels, bathroom towels ah shit dinner

Tressy · 02/08/2012 15:49

Hi guys, Looks like my rollercoaster has come to rest. Lots of home truths have been exchanged and the conclusion is what I always knew, he wants me in his life but won't keep it in his pants commit. So we've left things on an amicable basis, where I know where I stand and he knows where he stands from me which is no way jose!

So now to get over the fact that once again a man I've fallen for doesn't really want me. It's been along time since I've been in this position. The last one met someone eventually, guess this one will too. How do you deal with the thought that you weren't good enough again?

Thanks for going through this with me but I am going to draw a line under it now. Will still read and post if I need to or are we all done?

Mellower · 02/08/2012 19:32

I'm sorry Tressy. His loss. I wonder if he will manage to stick to it ?

You know I have done a lot of reading on this subject and according to a few sites I have read they do want relationships, just maybe not with us Sad for example wetsuitman may find his perfect "wee sweetheart" next week and commit to her as she is what he is looking for. It didn't make nice reading, I don't even know if it is true, surely every man is different ??

I am done with him, he has made me feel like shit and I refuse to be used, I am above him/that, so I am done. You know when we were together and discussed future relationships he asked if I could ever see myself with someone again, I said "no I don't think so" he had the cheek to say "I think that sometimes too but if it were the right person?", I am obvioulsy not the right person, I am not and never will be his "wee sweetheart" so I am avoiding the dating site as I know he may attempt to be "all nice" again when he is not, he is shit, a horny one, I may miss this thread though. It has helped me a lot. I may be planning a road trip right now....Hmm but thankfully I am not!

I guess it is here and can be bumped up if we have any more problems?

I also have this facebook guy now wanting to meet me and I am just not attracted to him, I know this already, I don't need to meet him I can tell from his pictures, but I don't know what to do as he is a nice guy, maybe I need to lower my standards, I don't know...I am off men for now, they are too much trouble.

Take care for now. Smile

Tressy · 02/08/2012 20:45

Mellower, I do think this too. I've said it to him about not yet meeting the one. If I didn't know that he has treated women this way for years I would have definitely come to that conclusion a while ago, but I wasn't 100% sure there wasn't something underlying to make him like this. He has never been married, ever and only lived with one person which he said was a nightmare. It's quite odd.

God I carn't half pick em. I hope I manage to get over it very quickly.

Mellower you do sound as though you are in a clearer frame of mind. Don't make that road trip. As for fb guy. If you don't fancy him it won't help you, it will make you worse. Wait until you meet someone who gives you butterflies. It's typical isn't it. When you genuinely play hard to get because you aren't interested they are all over you.

I wonder if we should resurrect this thread in 6 months and see where we all are. Maybe we can keep it going, what does everyone else think?

calibri · 03/08/2012 20:08

Well, I'm happy to stick it out, ladies. It was incredibly therapeutic to read the thread through again; when I first posted, I really hadn't quite clicked that he just wanted me for sex. I still think of him all the bloody time and it REALLY HURTS that I'm not the one, but - shit - in a way, I do think it's his issue. Like Tressy's man, he's always been a bit of a slippery customer. You may remember that this is the man who was groping around in my knickers a week before he asked his girlfriend to marry him.

Tressy, I have so much sympathy and empathy for the things you say. Aside from being the best sex I've ever had, this man made me laugh more than anyone I'd ever met. He made me come alive. I've always been a bit crappy at emotional commitment (I give some, but not all), but I really would've been in it for the long haul, with him. Shit, I was: it's 10 years since he first kissed me. He's a fucking fool. And then, like you say, I think: no, it's just that I'm not good enough. The twat. I'm crying now. I cry most days (then I stop).

Mellower, my lovely, maybe you could take a break from men, and then come back to them. I think you're great and I'm always happy to talk about this stuff and always happy to talk you back down from meeting Wetsuit man! Which reminds me ... I need to stalk him ... Wink

In other news, I have a date on Sunday night. I am really quite excited by this one; in fact, he's too good to be true, so I expect I'm going to back on here whining in a few days :)

I really appreciate this thread, you know. It has helped me out of one of the darkest times of my life x

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Tressy · 03/08/2012 21:20

Calibri, You put things so eloquently and feel that we have been going through such a similar situation it's almost uncanny. However, I think there are lots of women going through the same thing. Like a partner who is unfaithful, I think these non committal men run to a script.

I've been reading baggage reclaim and these guys often tell us that 'you know where I am in case you need me' which means please still be an option for me. We have to realise that we are not lacking just because we couldn't change them, they didn't want to change.

If it wasn't for you mentioning his DC's I would think it was the same guy. I too feel like I've had commitment issues but wouldn't have hesitated to commit to 'him'. Seeing him again has made it worse and I regret it now. I will speak to him if he rings but I will never see him again. I feel like saying 'if you change your mind and can give me an exclusive relationship you know where I am'.

I really hope your date goes well for Sunday, let us know how it goes.

Mellower, I think a break would be good for you too. I am taking a break from men for a while. Anyone else would just confuse me.

Tressy · 03/08/2012 21:23

Forgot to mention. I will raise you your 10 years with my 22 years since we first went out, arghh. No I haven't been a mug for that length of time, we did lose touch for many.

calibri · 03/08/2012 22:38

22 years - wow, no wonder he's under your skin. Do you think that it's something to do with the time that we first met them? That we were more impressionable; sort of, they got us when our cement was wet, if you know what I mean?

I think mine has formed my personality in some ways. We worked together for years (sometimes very closely) and we have picked up each other's phrases and mannerisms. And because we were friends first, I never demanded commitment. I was always the cool easygoing one who was there in the background. I always got to hear about everyone else. I was his confidante.

So I don't have any evidence of a 10 year relationship, but I do have some of the legacy. He has wafted in and out of my life whenever it's suited him and I've let him because I was afraid to have that difficult conversation with him. When I did, he bolted.

It's like grooming, isn't it? You slowly accept less and less, but are more and more grateful for it. Slow emotional starvation.

Do you think it's possible that these relationships WOULD be incredible, if only they would commit? I see other people being really with each other and - well, that's how I felt. Fuck knows what he felt.

Chin up, ladies x

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