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christmas\new baby\pils -aargh

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shinyblackgrape · 17/06/2012 21:57

DH and I got married last year. We are expecting our first DC at the end of November. So, unless born on the due date, DC will be two - three weeks at Christmas.

When we got married, we agreed to spend alternate Christmases with our respective families. Last year was with my Parents as my mum and dad hosted our whole family last year. They do alternate years. My DSis is married too and has the same arrangements with her husband's family so we went last year to make sure we tied in with the year DSis was there toon

Obviously, we will have a very small baby this year. PILS live about 3 hours away. They live in a very nice house. However, it is small in thatbDH has to sleep in the lounge when we visit. I'm in a single room and there is only one bathroom

DH is very anal about the time spent with both families and wants to make sure it is exactly equal. Which I find a bit wearing to be honest. I had a great relationship with my grandparents (both sets) and saw them roughly equally but sometimes I saw one set slightly more than the other and vice versa - it was the natural ebb and flow. However, I don't remember anyone keeping notes or scores.

This year it is our turn to visit DH's parents. DH brought this up tonight and Ive said to him that I really don't think this will be feasible. I'll be establishing breast feeding, the baby will only be 2-3 weeks old and if I've had a c section to a rough birth, I could still be in pain.

I've proposed as an alternative that the PILs come here with sis in law as we have much more room and I'll be settled. I normally love cooking but I've said I won't be up to it so we will need to go out to eat. Which makes me a bit sad but MIL is not a good cook and PILs are of the variety who like to be "entertained" so don't do anything to help when they visit.

DH is furious, thinks I am being completely unfair, has said that both sets of grandparents (around85+) would need to come too - even though they don't spend Christmas with the PILs but are visited as they are very infirm. they would not manage our house well as it has lots of stairs and we only have 4 bedrooms.

I was hoping to suggest that my parents came too as they are a huge help and my mum would be able to do the coking some we could all stay at home at least. Howeverx, due to the reaction re the PILs, I've not. DH is now saying that we will discuss it nearer the time and he's sure I will be fit to go er etc. we don't go this year, we have to go the next year (which would have been the year with my family so could have seen my sister - so will never get to,spend Christmas with her, my nephew and bil ever again due to rotation)

I'm verging between anger and tears. I've always been good at sticking up for myself but now I'm pregnant, I actually feel incredibly vulnerable and almost scared about all this stress at a time when I really won't want it.

I also (perhaps stupidly) feel very let down by DH. I had hoped that his first thought would have been to domwhatbwas best for me and the baby. But it's not. It's to do what he thinks is fairest for my family as he calls them. Interestingly, DC and I don't form part of that grouping which I also find incredibly hurtful too

Do any of you have any tips how to resolve this. I can see it becoming an increasing problem through DC's life. DH, to be fair, is normally reasonable and rationale but this is a real hot button. Any attempts to discuss things are met with accusations of me trying to stop him seeing his family etc.

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shinyblackgrape · 17/06/2012 22:00

Sorry for all typos. On IPad!

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talkingnonsense · 17/06/2012 22:01

Hmm. Tricky, as you did agree alternate years! I would agree to go, assume all will go well, and if it doesn't it will be clear to dh. Or, chat to pil- maybe ask mil if sh would rather come to you, see more of the baby? But I don't think you can have your parents at yours too.

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 17/06/2012 22:03

Having DC is a great time for the "alternate Christmases" rule to change. Did your DH spend his childhood Christmases at his grandparents' houses, alternately, or in his parents' house?

His parents', right?

So, time to establish the same thing for his/your children. Stay put now that you will have children.

Mum2Fergus · 17/06/2012 22:04

Thinking back to how I felt after emer c...Id suggest you stop at home with your new baby. There will be plenty more Christmas get togethers to come.

HappyCamel · 17/06/2012 22:04

I'm in the same situation and likely to give birth early December. I've said we're not going anywhere this year. Dd will be 20 months and with a newborn as well we're staying home. People arer w lcome to visit but not on Christmas Day because I'm not accepting the pressure to cook Christmas dinner.

After dd I did too much, visited people, moved house when she was 6 weeks, had her Christening at 10 weeks and then I developed mastitis (which i found more painful that childbirth) and PND.

Tell DH that you can resume family traditions the following year but this year you need to stay home, heal and bond with your baby. It is time to start your own traditions but maybe don't mention that yet, this year just say "this year is different".

Tbh all the family will have visited you to inspect the little one in the previous few weeks so you'll probably be glad of some space. It's not like they won't have seen you for ages.

7to25 · 17/06/2012 22:05

You are his family now.
The most sensible thing to do would be to stay at home, just the three of you, forget entertaining, long journeys, taking people out etc.
He obviously has NO idea how much a baby will affect his life.

izzyizin · 17/06/2012 22:07

This year all bets are off until you see how you feel after the birth of dc2.

If necessary, how's about he goes see his family for an overnight with dc1 and yours come to you; thereafter it's back to the tablets of stone You can catch up with his folks in the New Year and you get to stay with yours in 2013.

And there was me thinking it was only Her Maj's diary that contains unmoveable feasts of this nature...

izzyizin · 17/06/2012 22:08

Apologies - misread on my part. This is your pfb not your 2nd, in which case he can go whistle Dixie 'cos you're staying home.

shinyblackgrape · 17/06/2012 22:11

hotdamn - good point.

Bit unsure why my parents can't come. If we start spending Christmases at our house, PILs will be here every year, my parents alternately. Also, talking, this is the thing that winds me up. This thing of excluding one set of parents, even though they can provide help and support, as we saw them last year. My mum's mum was widowed when my mum was a little girl and she often came on holiday with us when I was little. More than my other grandparents who,we're still married as they went away on their own too. Bmtbdas hadv nomproblem atmall with this - just wanted to do,the kind and decent thing It makes me cry thinking of my Gran being left at home or left out because it meant we didntbspend exactly the same amount of time with the others. My other grandparents were also fine with her coming with us - they were lovely too, felt sorry for her situation and were just glad my parents could help out.

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ceeveebee · 17/06/2012 22:12

Can you invite your family this year and go to his next year (he seems to be suggesting that you will do this anyway if you don't go there this year)?

And go and see the PILs in Jan/feb when you feel up to it?

My PILs spent far too much time staying with us when we had our twins (including xmas day) and I hated feeling uncomfortable in my own home trying to bf, fending off 'advice', feeling like I had to get dressed and keep the house in order. xmas day wasn't too bad as I ordered a marks and spencers rip-off xmas dinner and DH cooked. But I would stillhave preferred it to be just the four of us for our first xmas.

ceeveebee · 17/06/2012 22:14

Sorry loads of posts since I started typing, very slow!

shinyblackgrape · 17/06/2012 22:15

Sorry - ipad gone mad! I meant to say above that my other set of grandparents had no problem with my gran coming on holiday with us.

The bitter, bitter irony of this is that MIL's mother is difficult to put it mildly and from what I can ascertain, DH and his family spent every Christmas with them. Fuck FIL's family!

What I really want is the three of us to be together alone and DH to actually want that too

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Guiltypleasures001 · 17/06/2012 22:19

may I suggest a small selection of the more assertive up for a row mums on here come for a pre xmas drinkie and a coo at the baby whilst giving dh a kicking and assert your authority on your behalf?

x

joanofarchitrave · 17/06/2012 22:21

I think you need to raise with him that you feel quite upset about his reaction to the idea of changing plans this Christmas.

I also feel that you're absolutely right about staying in your own house. 3 weeks after birth??

What is he worried about, if the pattern changes and one set of grandparents gets an extra visit? Who is counting?

And forgive me - why couldn't he do the Christmas meal? I can thoroughly recommend the M&S fully prepared turkey, vegetables, pudding etc, all the things you just unwrap and chuck in the oven - throw a little cash at the problem.

izzyizin · 17/06/2012 22:23

Get expressing as soon as you're able, honey. A few night feeds will soon make sure he won't want to be going anywhere.

shinyblackgrape · 17/06/2012 22:24

I'm kind of wondering if I should just deal with it now with the PILs. I could speak to MIL in the next few months.

I feel I want to deal with it now as it will make me feel less stressed. However, I don't want to get tied in to any arrangements - so it would be a bit like saying we're not coming to yours at Christmas and I can't really commit to anything. Byyyeeeeee!

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joanofarchitrave · 17/06/2012 22:26

Well, cut the 'byeeeeee' off that, and what's wrong with it?

Get your MIL to talk about what it was like after dh was born. Preferably in front of him.

Talk about how nice it could be to see them for a massive Easter shindig? Easter is soooo much better all round for so many things.

shinyblackgrape · 17/06/2012 22:30

guilty - that would be fab! I've also seen a lovely midwife who has said that she is happy to put DH straight if she does any post natal visits or will let her colleagues know the situation.

However still beating same drum I kind of want DH to want to do what's best for him.

DH is a terrible cook and, with the best will in the world, even if he promised to heat everything up, I know he would still be asking me every 10 seconds what to do and I can't face that and his sketchy clearing up.

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RightBuggerforit · 17/06/2012 22:30

You have to put your foot down, you will be 2-3 weeks post giving birth and ALL his thoughts/concerns should be for you at that time. If they're not I'd be copping a fucking massive strop until he sees sense about that.

shinyblackgrape · 17/06/2012 22:32

joan - she will have been at her mother's if her mother demanded it. Seriously, they probably were there for an over night en route home from the hospital. Therefore, 2-3 weeks would seem perfectly reasonable.

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shinyblackgrape · 17/06/2012 22:33

What's best for us! Not what's best for him per above.

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EdithWeston · 17/06/2012 22:34

Unless your husband is so very anal that it has to be his parents in even numbered years and yours on odd ones (and if he is, I fear you may be beyond hope!), then the solution is to circumvent him very firmly. Go nowhere this year, and resume the rotation afterwards.

Ring your PILs yourself. Explain that you want to let them know early that you will be unable to be sure of travelling postpartum and have decided - so you don't risk letting anyone down at 11th hour - that you are planning to stay at home just for this year (don't commit either way to the future - who knows what you'll want when you are a family?). Then discuss what might be suitable for grandparently baby viewing visits - again without commitment, but get some options aired.

Both sets of grandparents need time with the new arrival, by opening the subject early you maximise the chances of finding a happy solution. What you should not do is visit your parents out of sequence (doesn't sound like you were thinking of that anyhow), and only the most obtuse would fail to realise that new mothers often do want their own mothers around shortly after the birth. No matter how nice your MIL, it's not the same as your own mum. But I doubt anyone could take umbrage if they've been involved in visit planning early on, and have their own good opportunity to coo lined up.

yellowraincoat · 17/06/2012 22:34

You have my sympathy etc, but seriously, it is June, please don't think about xmas.

This is depressing me.

prettywhiteguitar · 17/06/2012 22:35

Well I had a perfectly good, normal birth this time and there is no way I would have wanted to be going anywhere for Christmas 3 weeks after !

The problem is that he will not know just how exhausted you will feel after giving birth and then breast feeding and staying up all night

And then asking you to do that in someone else's house ? You could be keeping them up all night with a crying baby

It's just not practical, I would try to explain that to your dh rather than inlaws

prettywhiteguitar · 17/06/2012 22:37

Honestly men how no concept until it actually happens !!