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As a modern man I feel conned

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DadIsSad · 26/05/2012 15:08

Amongst the negative thoughts running around my head at the moment (maybe I should be starting this on the mental health forum?) I just thought I'd start by sharing this one. I think I'm a fairly enlightened modern man - I'm posting on here for a start - do lots of childcare including going with kids to things where I'm the only bloke, most of the cooking, and plenty of other stuff around the house. I don't pester DW to have sex, or do anything she doesn't want. Though I'm still in the dark ages because I told her I like the way she looks naked and the meals she cooks when she does something special (I do lots of boring cooking, she does the more interesting stuff - is that also a gender reversal?) - apparently this means I see her as a woman who cooks, cleans and looks good, which is so last century.

But I've read a few women's magazines - and yes I do appreciate that a lot of them bear little resemblance to real life - and followed a few threads on here. Apparently modern woman is supposed to enjoy sex just as much as men do, and not just see it as something they're obliged to do to satisfy their men (until they no longer feel that obligation) and to have children. I've been conned - at least if I was a cave man I might not care what she felt and just get on with it.

We've just had our last session of relate counselling (which is where her reaction to what I thought was a compliment came out). If you've followed my previous thread you might have seen me mention thinking about suggesting sexual counselling - well I bottled it. I could just envisage her reaction that there was nothing wrong with her, so why should she - she doesn't seem to think there's anything at all abnormal with having no interest at all in having sex with your partner, or that she's missing out on anything. For the record she has never had an orgasm, and I suspect she has never masturbated (I recently found the sex toy she bought at an Ann Summers party still wrapped in the original packaging hidden away in a cupboard).

Not really sure what anybody can say to help - just feeling rather depressed today that this is as good as it gets (unless I take a drastic decision - one described as an ultimatum when mentioned as a potential solution during our sessions). I would have carried on with Relate, but not convinced it was getting us anywhere new and DW wasn't keen on taking more time off work for it. Oh, and DW is still reluctant to admit how directly my depression is related to our lack of relationship - I tried to really spell it out to her how my moods changed depending on how it was going and how much I was thinking (generally negative thoughts) about it. But I'm still not sure she took it in, and whether she'll be surprised that I'm down again today - I'm sitting here over 24 hours later after her saying she would make more effort, and she's yet to even touch me, yet alone kiss me.

OP posts:
newby2 · 03/06/2012 05:08

Self esteem and not to be caught up in games is what we need to make good decisions. The odd one or two on here may have suggested he's an aggressive man- most haven't. I presume you have read all of his last thread, you'll see where we are coming from.

It's hard for any-one when their world is falling apart and marriage wasn't what they expected, I think every-one would agree. Not every-one plays the long game though. Life is very short and those of us privileged to see that in sharp focus for a profession would agree. At some point, one or other game player needs to opt out and take some time to sort themselves out.

mumblecrumble · 03/06/2012 05:32

OP your situation sounds pants, really sorry.

DH and I haven't had sex for a while now, but his post on here would be something like this "Missing sex with DW.... think she still wants sex and I know she still adores me as we are very affectionate. DW is going through redundancy, has physicla problems that make cuddling and sex tricky and is on painkillers that make her tired. We also have a busy 4 year old. When we do have sex it is great and I know we both find so much plesure in it as we talk about sex all the time" Your tread does not read like this so cannot be answered as easily.

A relationship can live happily without sex but your relationship does not sound happy. What is life like together? Do you laugh together? alk about he kids happily? Make plans together?

mumblecrumble · 03/06/2012 05:32

Hope my reply doens;t sound anything but sincere - suppose we are working on our current lack of sex too.

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