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Crushinghard · 29/04/2012 08:27

A continuation of the TTII thread for women unexpectedly finding themselves attracted to other women.

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likeatonneofbricks · 23/06/2012 21:42

surely if she understood what i was on about she wouldn't want to string me along knowing how I feel, if she had no interest? She could have said 'sorry my life is just too busy, or even mentioned a bf (whether there was one or not' so that i get a clear message she wasn't at all interested, could add then that if I'm happy to keep friendly then she'd be happy at that. I'm not the only one who helps her with those things, and I'd like to think she wouldn't play with me just cause I'm useful sometimes?.

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likeatonneofbricks · 24/06/2012 12:06

hi outmy - yes ot wasw one of those days. Better at the moment but who knows - I will see her tomorrow very brienfly, she already told me she won't have any time, then will see her a bit more in a week. So obv tomorrow is out for telling her anything. I still think a letter may be better or even text as it doesn't put her on the spot. Do you remember you recently said she wouldn't tell me at once face to face and would prob change the subject - well in htis case letter wd be better. I now think first reaction might also be not clear as she will compose herself quickly if she wants to hide it. I still think the only way for it to work face to face is to have a drink together at her place, but this is so hard to plan - even if I offer rather than wait for her offer, it's important she's in hte right mood and noone around on the day I'm there! which now will be in week's time as tomorrow it will be day and she'd be working.The point is I may be waiting for ages for the opportunity. Of course there were those before and she could have offreed a drink man times, but didn't. Text wasn't direct and it wasn't a question, it was a slightly playful phrase which implied more (I can't put ALL in this thread) - she could have easily play along or prompt me to say more with a 'safe' question. But anyway, with the letter it would be much quicker as can be done any time. Also of course it would be phrased much nicer without fluffing. what do you think?
I don't think it's always dimplomacy with same sex thing - it really depends whether a woman had experience in the past (and you wouldn't know - but she could be much more receptive to initiative), and it depends on their social views and also age gaps etc. In many situations, even as described on these threads it was easy - one was already gay and the other approached and it worked, or like with sleepless they both became intensely friendly very quickly and she told her and (even though she had a partner) it wasn't negative with a woman. I think we aer unlucky, outmy in that your is a teacher at you dc school and possibly too young to know what she wants for sure (?) - and in my case I reallly think it's mainly the age gap that worried her and to some extent me, but for her a big stumbling block plus social side (wehich doesn't worry me much at all, though I don't know whether I'd tell m,y relatives - they don't live nearby though so I wouldn't have to). She is all on the surface iykwim, children. friends always there so she'd feel odd hiding things probably as she's not really secretivetype. Also my luck that some pesky guy just appeared and he might suit her in bed (even if say she would love to try it with a woman) but good enough and took her attention for now.

likeatonneofbricks · 24/06/2012 12:16

of and meant to say, I really don't think you should just wait during these 4 weeks. Firstly, talk to her tomorrow as planned - and good luck with this. It's good yo uare picking up their child - if she does wait for you then definitely chat and don't project pessimistic vibes. If she doesn't wait for you then still chat to her next day. You really have nothing to lose do you? if you think it's pretty much a 'no' you can only improve the situation, not going to be any worse! So if tomorrow doesn't happen then still try a chat and also respond to her looks. Then of course she may ask yo uto volunteer, but if not I think you should leave her your email address (doesn't sound as pushy as phone number) and say that you'd be happy to help or just chat sometime.

likeatonneofbricks · 24/06/2012 12:26

I wish you were right about her gaving feelings for me. But we don't know - it could be that she just slightly cares for me as a person/ likes me like you could like a relative/friend. When she's off she comes across as if she doesn't even want to talk to me at all. And the lingering she did might have been about nessages - thiswas soon after and maybe she wanted to ask but decided no to. Plus someone was habging around her place at hte same time so it was 'safe' to linger a bit iykwim, i.e. nothing could actually happen (she was also about to go out). Of course there wre lingering moments many times before but she always walked away with some excuse when eye contact continued for a while. I mean why is it completely up to me to say anything really, and she couldn't? is it again because I'm younger? what did yo uthink if the 'girl '/silly girl type comments btw?

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likeatonneofbricks · 24/06/2012 16:17

whether 'girl' comments are rude or not doesn't bother me much - but do you think she could still be attracted/feel things as you say and still use them? I mean the silly girl one was out of my earshot (she thought) and she did talk about me nicely by name to a relative who did meet me, she was also once extrenely nice when her friend was visiting and she made an effortto introduce me (even though I was not in the same room assuch but next door - she waved to me and asked me tyo come over and very warmly told the friend that I visit her regularly) - so obviously it's not all rudeness. I mean in London lots of people use term 'girls' for their friends who ar 40s/50s - like 'I'm going out withthe girls' or 'girl at work'. It's just that they aer normally same age - I'm just paranoid in her case that the main barruer for her isthat I'm younger andthese comments sort of confirm how she views me.
Yes, obviuosly she'll chat to you if she wants to build bridges - though it doesn't mean neccessarily morethan friendliness. Is anyone going to hear what you say though if you chat? she may be nervous of that but then yo assured her that there won;t be a talk like that anymore so she can't be worried that anyone hears. I still think that now you should try the warming up tactics, even though gentle, but yo will know for sure only once you leave (and yo ignore my advice to leave your email with her, and maybe ask for hers - but I think you really should as response to that will REALLY tell you everything).

likeatonneofbricks · 24/06/2012 16:22

mind you that episode with her friend did involve wine - so again it's just shows how different she is when she had a drink, really warm (same when relative visited), she thought if doesn't mind how it may come across to them - if I was them during these episodes, i'd think she was VERY fond/warm towards me!). She is also warm one to one when she had at least half a glass, chatty even. Is it silly to base my positive hopes on times when she had a drink - but I think she's more open and genuine then, so there is logic. I mean she sometinmes is nice when not drinking obv, but then it's on/off.

likeatonneofbricks · 24/06/2012 16:23

sort of doesn't mind, not 'though if'

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likeatonneofbricks · 24/06/2012 18:24

the pint is I can look younger than I am, especially to a person who is a lot older - I do wonder often if she actually knows what my age is, I was thinking of tellug her to make sure but keep forgetting. I told her at hte very start but this was a while ago and she ight not have paid attention as it was sort of before meeting. I mean she doesn't think I'm 20 but coould think , 35. It's also stupid as when I'm nervous I become a bit more girly and not as assertive and even my voice is a bit higher (not ridicullous Grin, but you know..). I must try to sound deliberately mature which I do with some people but somehow not others. Power in r-ships..oh it's one of my fave subjects! it's so not black and white in many cases! I don't mind her being more powerful as in lead a bit, if that's what you mean, and yes she does come across as patronising sometimnes to many non-friends/relatives, but she's really softened with me over time - there was that goldem time in March when i saw her daily and she was extremely nice and on same wavelength and almost running around me - now it's kind of according to mood, she is still sometimes relaxed and takes me seriously, but at others - a bit patronising (but it really is part of her personality when not dealing with closest) - I think thisreflect this 'come here, go away' attitude she has to me!
But you know, with drinking, if she feels relaxed and warmer , why on earth does shhe bever offer to share a glass with me? Is it just trying to keep distance because she doesn't see me as friend/partner, or is it because she's scared of the outcome of us drinking together?? in which case she's not so powerful. is she. I know her very well now, well bar what she feels for me exactly - she sort of tells me what to do but if I disagree she often later does what i wanted even though to my face she said 'no', I'm sure if were in r-ship I'd be able to influence her, I can see that with her I know how to go about it, even now, but if we wre closer of course the power balance can completely chsange. I'm not really concerned about it - I just want to be with her, and if she did become unreasonable of course I'd speak up, but unlike men I've been with she's a lot wiser and more sensitive to create unreasonable situations..
WEll, yo could say that one last time doesn't change anything with your wiw- if you tried twice, what one more letdown (even though it's simplistic to look at it like that) - purely because it's yourlast chance and after this she wouldn't be scared of reprecussions. She is in a worse position if you like, as you told her that you want to be friendly and wouldn't msconstrue anything, so can she after that make a pass? she may think you meant it and also while you aer there you can still tell someone at school, plus she just doesn't get opportunity for any private talk as ther aer people there. After yo ulevae she could contact you by email and not neccessarily directly asking you out, but just to ask 'how aer you' and see how you reply. The only negative withthis , is that if sje doesnt reply you'll be waiting and hoping so iut's be best if you had her email address too. If you volunteer for more months will there be a summer break first? and also how often would you see her then? is it worth it? I don't think she'll ever approach yo uat school in front of people. I think it's best to exchange details or jus give her yours than see her rarely and hope she'll start something (she won't). Of course I did mean that do this if she's bee nquite warm these 4 weks, if cold or ignorng you then no, you have your pride, but if she was warm-ish and respinded to your chat on tues, I would try that.

likeatonneofbricks · 24/06/2012 18:29

*what's one more letdown

likeatonneofbricks · 24/06/2012 18:45

by the way, she's vERY in charge and even somewhat patronising with men, from what I've heard , the way she talks on the phone to them. I think she likes the idea of a string man but essentially when it comes to it she likes for them nto adapt to her, everything on her terms - it would take her being madly in love to follow someone for a while. So I'm not worriedthat it's personal disrepect to me when she's in charge. But I'm worried that this guy she's seeing is really pursuading gher and for now it seems exciting (but she couldn't become submissive if he wanted her to - unless as i say he blows her mind as a lover), Funnily enough I was exactly like that with men, though I was no so straightforwardly having it my way with some. So I understand her really. What i really like with a woman that three is no REAL power struggles like it's alwaysthe case betwee nstrong man and strong woman. Weak men are also trouble, so two women should work much better really, especially as I'm prepared to be softer with her and let her lead a bit - but only to the extent i feel comfortable. I just admire her so much and her traits of character that we can't have major clashes of opinion in the first place so I wouldn't have to give in to something often.

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likeatonneofbricks · 24/06/2012 19:33

yes, I understand. I was just thinking that leaving your email address can appear just a friendly gesture, it's noting like declaring to her what you feel , like last time. But you know better what atmosphere is there now - I hope it WIULL improve by the end of 4 weeks, andi did mean if she warms up, but if yo need very striong hints and also that 4 weeks isn't enough time for that, then what is the realistic option? She wlil ask you to volunteer? but what if she doesn't - do you mean you will offer to volunteer if yo think she;s warmer? is htere a summer break though?
Can you describe how wasshe clever in the beginning? I know she intiated chats and walked past you a lot, but was there anything else? just want some tips how to be with my wiq so that she's sure I'm interested (like you were) before I write to her.

likeatonneofbricks · 24/06/2012 19:43

sounds like I'm her cleaner Grin - Im not, though I do look after her pets occasionally, just because I like them! the thing I haven't maybe mentioned is that I also sort of benefit from our arrangements, so there is a small chance she thinks I'm clinging on because of that - but I did give her a lot more hints than she did to me, as you know. God, I'm anmazed you are so confident about her having feelings! If so, it all depends what is it that holds her back - if nervousness/age gap than it's possible to pursuade, but if she doesn't want it ever to be known that she's bi/gay then it's hopeless, isn't it!

likeatonneofbricks · 24/06/2012 19:47

the other strong reason for my doubts - do you think she can have feelings for me and yet sleep with a man in the same time? I know it's kind of different but it sort of makes me worry that her feelings may be just liking, some sort of soft spot for me, but not anything sexual?

likeatonneofbricks · 24/06/2012 19:53

could it be that now this man is winning her over (and not just safe option), whereas before she was considering something with me?

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likeatonneofbricks · 24/06/2012 20:57

well if she feels she needs more time after the 4 weeks shhe could also give you her contact details under some friendly pretence. Or about volunteering - it's just the summer break is soo long! of things warmed up howcould you both wait - and for what as well if you aer both single?? (of course maybe she's not - don't forget that as well). I don't think that sentence is a direct hint, could be just polite/friendly. You could ask 'will I see you again sometime?' but you aer going to say that's too much for you. Or maybe 'it's be nice to see you around'.
Do you think the way she hinted in hte beginning could be gving me tips, or is it too hard to describe for that? if they canbe tips, do pM, but if not you don't have to.
OMG 'to get me out of the sysytem' - I DO want to hear this, it means I ve affected her that much. I'm worried the truth may be a bit more cynical, i.e. she wants sex and whoever is really offering and pursuing, gets her as a partner (obv she has to like them) - rather than feelings aer more important and she would patiently develop something or put herself on the line with me. That's assuming there are feelings, and we aer not completely wrong. I will tell her soon - it's the guy but also I can't wait muchlonger. Do you think I still have a chance if she sleeps withhim now? or can it be too late already?

likeatonneofbricks · 24/06/2012 21:11

resisting a man can be just a usual game playing - or she generally likes to feel sure/ ytake her time with his. Also she may already have a lover who is in some way not enough or she's getting bored (or see him rarely) and that;s whhy she's taking her time with the new man - who doesn't know of course (I still think messages were fron two diff men, diff numbers at least, though no guarantee).
I keep replaying various episodes from memory - at it;s just ridiculous how completely different she is at diff times - like thinking of some I'm SURE she is attracted, and others sure she's not. Arrgh! can she just like me as a person and I misinterpret the warmth/smiling, and that's all? she always walks away after those promising moments of looks/silence. If she waits and thinks it's completely up to me to voice something, why is that - why wouldn't she consider saying it - or asking me after those texts?

likeatonneofbricks · 24/06/2012 21:14

I also want to ask - what do you like about your wiq, outmy, apart from her looks? is it primarily that she seems sexy to you, or much more to it?

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