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Beautifulwho had to call women's aid

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beautifulwho · 25/04/2012 09:25

I have taken my debit cards back, my DH was not happy, he was really angry that I wouldn't give him them back 'think of the boys, when you've spent all our money and there's no food for them'. He was pacing, shouting, broke the stair gate by banging it closed and stood in the doorway holding my DS2 not letting me through whilst shouting at me. I asked him to trust me to not spend money as yes this has been an issue (taking boys into town for coffee, getting them a toy etc when feeling low) not massive amounts but we don't have massive amounts of spare cash.

He wouldn't leave for work and was incensed that I wouldn't give the cards back. I kept praying whilst he was shouting for strength and he text the pastor's wife before driving off to work telling her I had stolen my cards and was planning on going on a spending spree. She said there is not a lot they can do if we can't resolve arguments by ourselves but they will come over tomorrow afternoon. I told her how he behaved but she wasn't bothered really, exasperated probably. I'm shakin and crying and so alone I don't know what to do. No-one to contact for impartial advice so I called women's aid and they will call back when a volunteer is free...sorry for another one of these threads but I just feel so mixed up. He said I wa on a downer and not making sense and not answering his questions. I'm lost again x

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beautifulwho · 26/04/2012 10:40

nettle I am not going to get into a theological debate with you over the headship of Christ and the order of things but I left mainly because the woman vicar was gay, tried to hit on me and we (vicar, her husband and me) sang in a choir together. The deacon ran of with the canons wife and the amount of gossip and backstabbing that went on was Sad so apart from that I found it a little repressive HmmWink

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Jux · 26/04/2012 10:57

Not all Anglican churches are like that, though. I know you know that. I have a relative (male) who is a Catholic Dean, another (female) who is ordained in the Anglican church and a very dear friend (female) who is ordained CofE. Though Both females are gay, they would never behave like that. None of the 3 would condone this sort of behaviour in anyone, let alone a husband towards his wife and children. If your elders continue to try to excuse him, if they do not tell him this evening that he has to separate (and he has to go, not you) then you know your current church is wrong wrong wrong. Despite my non-religiousness, I do sincerely thank God that you have WA tomorrow.

Do you have a list of his actions, ready for both meetings? Don't try to be nice in it either. Don't try to ameliorate or minimise, that won't help anyone. Give the full, unvarnished truth.

I will be thinking of you this evening.

TheHappyHissy · 26/04/2012 11:08

Gosh! Wow! Flipping Nora! That'd make GREAT Telly! Wink [levity]

Actually there was a FAB programme on the telly last night, Beautiful Women (I think) all about women in religion, their initial roles etc, it'll be on iPlayer.

Stay focussed beautifulwho let WA guide you, they know the nuts and bolts of abusive relationships, they are trained professionals.

The Church may have expertise, they may not. They may have an agenda. They are not as uninvolved in your life as they need to be to have a proper and healthy perspective.

WA need to lead this, your church family are there to support you, to pray for your strength in getting through this in however way YOU feel is best for you and your DC. They are NOT there to tell you to suck it up.

Frankly anyone that does is placing you and your DC at risk of real physical harm. 2 women a week are killed in this country by their partners. You KNOW he's abusive, you KNOW it's not about YOU.

Please keep talking to us, please allow us to support you in the nuts and bolts bit, and I know there are some here too that have immense faith, if you need that kind of support, I'm sure it will come.

foolonthehill · 26/04/2012 11:12

An open letter to the Church
Dear Brothers and Sisters:

As you may know, I have taken the time to educate myself on the problem of domestic abuse and the mindset of an abuser. I have communicated with both Christian and non-Christian abuse counselors locally and nationwide, written a Letter to the Editor of our local newspaper, shared my concerns with numerous pastors locally, and written the story, "The Waitress, the Man, and the Rose" ( tinyurl.com/WaitressManRose ).

Yesterday, during another phone conversation with Paula Silva (a Christian counselor and former sufferer of domestic abuse), I was informed of the widespread abuse occurring within the body of Christ, and that many of the calls she receives are from pastors' wives--all of whom are suffering from one or more forms of domestic abuse (verbal, emotional, and physical).

Yes, you read it right: wives of pastors are being verbally, emotionally, and physically abused by the very men who stand in their pulpits at least three times per week preaching the love and compassion of Jesus Christ.

Again, during my phone conversation with Paula, I learned that it is rare that a man will get involved in the battle against domestic abuse, and stand in the gap for women everywhere who are suffering and living in fear every day of their lives.

While the very thought of a man abusing a woman is repulsive, a man who refuses to come to the aid of an abused woman causes within me an acute case of righteous indignation.

I am not ashamed to say that I have diligently prayed through my tears for women who endure the terrible ordeal of domestic abuse. Now that domestic abuse has reared its ugly head within the body of Christ, our Lord has led me to appeal to you to get involved in yet another "unpaid bill" of the church.

Yes, the battle to expose the cultic, occultic, and heretical teachers of our day is extremely important. However, as we defend the faith against those who promote demonic doctrines, please keep in mind that a man who abuses a woman has the same mindset of a cult leader, who uses the same fear, intimidation, humiliation, and isolation tactics on his followers.

Is there a woman or women in your church who are being abused by their pastors or husbands? Is there a teenage girl or single woman in your church who is dating or living with a man with a background of abuse? If so, are you willing to reach out to them with help and assistance in the same way you would to a victim of a cultic or heretical leader? Think about that as you attend church this week.

Across our country, women are dyingboth emotionally and physicallyat the cowardly words and brutal hands of an abusive man. We cannot, we must not sit back and allow someone else to bear the burden and tremendous responsibility to protect and assist women who live in fear on a daily basis.

As Christians, we are joined together in Christ as brothers and sisters. We are family. Right now there are members of our family who are suffering the tragic effects of emotional and physical abuse. We cannot afford to sit back and wait for domestic abuse to rear its ugly head within our family before we decide to get involved.

Finally, Hits never hurt until they hit home! The emotional pain of knowing that a close friend or daughter is in harm's way is excruciating. Those who have experienced it know exactly what I am talking about. If you haven't, I pray that God will spare you and your family that pain.

I have pledged to do my part and stand in the gap for abused women. What about you?

In Christian love,
Bud Press, Director
Christian Research Service
www.christianresearchservice.com
christianresearchservice.blogspot.com
June 23, 2009

foolonthehill · 26/04/2012 11:13

sorry, long.

BartletForAmerica · 26/04/2012 13:50

"Did you know that the early church, pre the Roman intervention, had women priests and bishops. Paul sent an woman to Rome to take the message (cant remember if it was 'romans' or 'Corinthians') and its been suggested that he did that PRECISELY to show how women were to be treated on an equal standing."

Nettle, please don't present these rather unorthodox theories as facts! It also really doesn't have a place here.

beautiful, I am glad to see that you are coming to a position where you can see that leaving might be an option for you. You are in my prayers. I don't know who you really are, but I know Someone who does!

DistanceCall · 26/04/2012 18:58

Sorry, Bartlet, but from the point of view of someone brought up in a Roman Catholic culture, I find it immensely amusing that you accuse Nettle of presenting "rather unorthodox theories".

DistanceCall · 26/04/2012 19:02

And honestly, given that religion and interpretation of the Bible is something so important in the OP's life, I fail why anyone should abstain from discussing it and trying to broader her views.

oikopolis · 26/04/2012 19:19

please stop talking about religion and theology..
there are millions of different views and types of xianity, there is no point trying to convince the OP of any of them, she has her own church and her own views.

and in any case she needs relationship support, not a theological discussion.

if i remember her previous thread correctly, her H isn't even a Christian. the problems started when he abandoned his xian principles.

SHE is the Christian, that is her choice and i think it's best to respect that

mummytime · 26/04/2012 19:23

Beautiful I am so sorry of your experience with your Anglican church. I wish you would report it to the diocese, the Anglican church take such things very seriously. They have special courts to deal with it, I know a good friend had to face them after he cheated on his wife.
My SIL the vicar is not gay BTW, she is married to my BIL (also ordained). In fact none (probably) of the female Vicars's I know are gay, and few of the men too.

I will pray for you this evening.

beautifulwho · 26/04/2012 19:33

Elders just left, I will message when I can, crying Sad just Sad Sad

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oikopolis · 26/04/2012 19:36

oh dear Sad

amillionyears · 26/04/2012 19:43

heck..pm?

mummytime · 26/04/2012 19:53

Oh dear!

Jux · 26/04/2012 19:57

Oh beautiful Sad

How can we help? Can we help?

amillionyears · 26/04/2012 20:02

Flowers.

Oogaballoo · 26/04/2012 20:05

I'm sorry that the meeting has upset you so much, beautiful :(

AnnaBegins · 26/04/2012 20:07

O lovely, hope you are ok.

I am in Yorkshire, and I'm a Christian. I've struggled with teachings on submission, and have attended so many different types of churches! If you want a coffee, a chat, just to get out of the house, please do say and I'll be there. Just post on the thread or PM me.

For now, just (((hugs))) and Thanks

Dozer · 26/04/2012 20:44

Take care beautiful, lots of people want to help you, tomorrow is womens aid.

foolonthehill · 26/04/2012 21:16

beautiful: we are all here for you.

Sometimes the "right people" just don't know the "right" stuff.

naturalbaby · 26/04/2012 21:31

Oh beautiful, there is someone else who will help you...and all the wise posters here of course!
Women's aid in the morning? Not long to go.

Did you get your chocolate?

beautifulwho · 26/04/2012 21:40

I'm ok, elders started by saying they were angry at how I was treating DH ( over taking my cards) I honestly don't know how I didn't stab someone.

I went all crazy eyes and said I was sick of them not listening to me mentioned the groping and DH abuse and it went a bit better from then on. But oh my Lord I think I nearly lost it when DH started reading out text messages about how I was justifying 'stealing' from him (when I took back my debit cards).

It got better from there but not because of them but because DH has decided to tell me about his dad and his anger issues and why he's been such a git etc

Will see how it goes with women's aid tomorrow. Elders coming back on Monday, dunno yet if I'll be here. Good grief, wish I could have lots of wine lots and swear a bit urgh

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beautifulwho · 26/04/2012 21:46

Husband says I was rude to the elders, feel a little proud as they were absolutely completely bonkers.

Elder: you need to keep trying with communication.
Me: trying, trying, i am trying

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Doha · 26/04/2012 21:46

The elders are NOT helping...why you need to speak to them and hegt them involved is beyond me!!!!
Your problem is your DH. You cannot steal something that is your own.
I don't know when or why religion comes into this but your husband is abusive.
End of...

beautifulwho · 26/04/2012 21:51

So DH is going to Dr's to restart process on sleep clinic and dyspraxia/ aspergers diagnosis. Go to counselling for his anger issues which I didn't know the reason for until tonight. I've asked him if he thinks we should stay together whilst we work things out- making sure that it won't affect the boys. I'll be discussing my options with women's aid tomorrow about this obviously but he thinks we should. I am wondering if this is heart change or just the start of another honeymoon period?

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