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Just had the biggest fight with DH... he hit me, I hit him...

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namechangeforthis100 · 04/04/2012 00:57

I've spent the whole of yesterday at the hospital... quite a long time after a miscarriage it turns out (joy) I've got an infection. I'm in agony. I feel shit. All my friends are pregnant.. I'm just having a very shit time.

I decided to get stuff organised.. sort of nights out etc to keep us busy and tonight we went out with about 10 of our best friends for a meal (a lot are shift workers from our hey day hence the tuesday random night)...

I have been in quite a lot of pain and on painkillers... but was without and just slowly drinking wine this evening.. The night went great and we all agreed to meet again next week.

We got in the car (DH driving) and she started to go MAD. Apparently during a conversation I had dictated when he could go out and come back (with an old friend) and I hadn't! I know the conversation he's talking about. They were taking the piss saying I would and I was laughing... but I didn't say a word. And all the home he called me vile, drunk, a bitch etc.. (with our daughter in the back of the car who we just picked up from a sitter to bring home.)

We got in, put DD to bed and it escalated. He screamed at me, I proclaimed innocence, He pushed me, I tried to kick him. We ended up having a full out physical fight.

He left. I wrenched the keys out his hand and he stepped out the door.

I locked it.
Jesus christ.

What do I do now?? I'm already in pain. (now more. Have a perfect hand bruise on my chest.)

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everlong · 05/04/2012 22:47

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yousankmybattleship · 05/04/2012 22:50

I suppose I assumed Nyac because you seem so blinkered. Apologies if I assumed wrongly. I don't think your very beligerant views are helpful though. The OP doesn't want to involve the police - she has said that several times. You don't know that she is in danger and need to respect the choices she is making.

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Nyac · 05/04/2012 22:51

I think it's quite rude to call me blinkered yousank.

You seem pretty attached to your own point of view, would you think it was fair if I called you the same? Perhaps we could keep those kind of comments to ourselves.

yousankmybattleship · 05/04/2012 22:53

I said that Nyac because you keep mentioning the police even though the OP has said time and time again that she doesn't want to involve them. You need to let that go.

ike1 · 05/04/2012 22:53

Yep but everlong you need to take some responsibilty for that. You leaped on my first post for example rather aggressively. You have continued in this way with others, they will defend themselves you know.

Nyac · 05/04/2012 22:55

I think that's up to the OP to say yousank. Not you. You seem to feel the need to control what's posted here. That's a bit odd.

everlong · 05/04/2012 22:56

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yousankmybattleship · 05/04/2012 22:58

She has said that Nyac.
I have no desire to control what is posted thank you.

HoudiniHissy · 05/04/2012 22:58

"How is the op going to feel reading that if she decides to make a go of it?"

There's the thing...

SHE is not the one that is deciding to make a go of it.... It's not down to her. In face NONE of this situation has the slightest thing to do with her. Never did.

HE is the one that did this and only HE can decide if he hits her again/intimidates/threatens her again. HE chose to hit her. HE chose to blame her. HE DID.

She did nothing wrong.

She is merely making a decision to potentially allow it to happen again... (which it will, in some way shape or form) to put up with it, modify, behave, walk on eggshells and hope to god that no-one says anything to offend him, or she knows or fears that SHE'LL cop it.

Or ... NOT. She could choose to put her foot down and tell him to go sort himself out.

The men that do this are not normal men. They are alike one another, but they are not like non-violent men. You can't negotiate with them, they have an entitlement to do what they do.

This is why animals that kill humans are put down. Once they have had the taste, they find it easier to do it again.

Being abused doesn't make anyone an expert in DV, no. Course it doesn't.

However.... abusers generally follow a script,

Victims of abuse have to :
move heaven and earth to get themselves out,
get themselves well (this stuff doesn't go away by itself),
do the courses,
do the therapy,
attend the groups,
read the books,
help and support one another at times

In short live and breathe the fallout of living life with someone who will beat, humiliate and intimidate the woman he is supposed to love just 'because'..

No that doesn't make anyone an expert. it does however become painfully and immediately apparent that their experiences are deep, and of extreme relevance and significance to ANYONE that has suffered with a violent situation at the heart of their relationship. If you have not been involved or exposed to violence, you really don't have a hope of understanding that there literally is NO point at all in trying to make the best of this. There IS no longer a best to be made....

UNLESS he is utterly remorseful, takes FULL and immediate responsibility, seeks his OWN help, attends his OWN counselling, moves heaven and earth to BREAK the unacceptable behaviour cycle he has allowed himself to create. Generally, the kind of men that hit their spouses ONLY do this WHEN their entire support network shuns them for their abuse of their wife/partner. Unless everything is taken from them as a result of their violence, generally they come up with excuses as to why it happened and that is that.

If not? He's a write off. It is THAT black and white. Only HE can save HIMSELF...

heavensent123 · 05/04/2012 23:00

There is a good book called - But I love him. I suggest you buy it and read it. It may help you to make more informative decisions. Remember that you are setting the scene for you little girl. What she see's as normal behaviour in a relationship, she will be in danger of letting a man do this to her one day. There is NEVER any excuse why a man should be verbally or physically abusive. HE is the one that needs help. Be strong and stand your ground. You are a valuable lady and should NEVER allow anyone to treat you like this. YOU deserve better!!! Watch the interview with Oprah Winfrey and Whitney Houston. Speaks volumes! You are special and don't ever forget it. I hope this helps in some way. Only you can make decisions for your own life, but sometimes there are sign posts along the way that can help.
Keep being YOU.

Nyac · 05/04/2012 23:01

This:

"You need to let that go."

contradicts this yousank:

"I have no desire to control what is posted thank you."

Good post HH.

ike1 · 05/04/2012 23:02

Sure, FFS is aggressive at the least irritable or defensive. Would you not say? I certainly would not want people to to counter advice on my thread if I was upset with that manner. But the OP has other more important fish to fry and good luck to her. I am able to take that sort of nonsense with good humour and return it with humour.

everlong · 05/04/2012 23:05

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yousankmybattleship · 05/04/2012 23:06

Nyac. I meant that the OP has said several times that she is not interested in involving the police and yet you keep calling on her to do so. At what point do you start listening to her? That is what I meant by letting that point go. I have no desire to control what opinions people give, but if I think they are unhelpful I have every right to say so.

everlong · 05/04/2012 23:07

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yousankmybattleship · 05/04/2012 23:08

Houdini, I think what you have posted is more about what you need to say that what OP needs to hear.

BlueFergie · 05/04/2012 23:11

Hi OP.i have been following this thread from the start. I wanted to say that although it may not seem it from this thread with all the sniping, everyone genuinely wants what is best for you.
There are people on here who know a lot about abusive relationships, and they can identify worrying red flags for the future in this situation. They are right in that there are often patterns of behaviour in abuse. Of course though this does not mean that this is the road your relationship will go down. There are always exceptions. Nothing is inevitable. I very much hope that yours is one that defies the pattern that we see again and again on MN.
You obviously want to move on from this incident and hold onto your marriage. From what you have said about your relationship to date I cannot blame you for that.
I have lived with a man in the throes of a mental illness. I know how it can destroy and change the man you love. But they are still aware, they can still control their actions. My DH nearly had a breakdown he was horribly unreasonable and illogical but he never came close to raising his hand. He always knew that it was him with the problem not me.
I just want to remind you that there is always support here. That no matter what happens please come back if you need us. I don't mean just if it happens again (which it may not) but help living with someone with depression, with your own grief after the mc and anything else. Please do not be put off by what happened on this thread. Don't let that stop you coming back if you need to.

PullUpAPew · 05/04/2012 23:12

Even if the OP doesn't want to go to the Police, it is acceptable for posters to say that is what they think should happen.

The OP knows her husband better than anyone. But even she does not know whether this will happen again. I could not trust someone immediately after an incident like this, any more than I would if my husband had shagged someone else yesterday.

I do not know what will happen. But I know that the OP is statistically at much greater risk of DV because her husband now has a track record of violence. So that risk needs to be respected and not be dismissed.

The fact that her husband has said he is sorry/ashamed is basically worthless as an indicator of whether he will do it again. Many people who beat their partners say sorry and experience remorse afterwards.

AbigailAdams · 05/04/2012 23:13

Just because some of us are telling her things the OP doesn't want to hear, does not make them invalid or without use. Yes, she may not want to follow this advice at the moment, but there maybe a future incident or act of violence by the OPs husband where things that have been said on this thread start to fall into place. At that point the OP may have the tools and the direction to deal with them because of that advice.

In addition there are plenty of lurkers who maybe going through similar experiences but who are ready to call the police/leave.

I really hope that she doesn't need the advice and the predictions don't amount to anything. But this man has already been dangerous and statistically it doesn't look good.

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ike1 · 05/04/2012 23:16

Still rude and defensive everlong. An apology would be appropriate.

ike1 · 05/04/2012 23:18

There is much that is insightful and thoughtful on this thread if only peeps could keep their frustrations to themselves.

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yousankmybattleship · 05/04/2012 23:19

I think the problem I've had with a lot of the "advice" on this thread is that it is generic DV advice and doesn't actually seem to have much to do with the OP or things she has been saying. I think it is quite disrespectful to start spouting statistics or lecturing about typcial patterns of behaviour without taking time to at least acknowledge what she is saying about her own particular set of circumstances.