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Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships number 7

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foolonthehill · 10/03/2012 10:46

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Financial abuse Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.

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EvacuationWarden · 17/03/2012 08:14

Lots going on in Evacuation headspace this morning. Talk about cans of worms- whole trolleyload of the little buggers opened last night in my brain and now I am trying to tame them into some semblance if order.

Thankfully h out with friends last night so dc and I had a really very lovely time snuggled on sofa before bedtime and now chilling out over a stress free breakfast and total wipeout before the onslaught of Saturday commences. Bring it on I'm ready for ya!

Thankyou for wishes of luck with solicitors, it was so worth doing. Now lots of food for thought. one thing I hadn't realised is that if he gets impossible to live with after I ask him to leave (as i don't think he would leave this house, just insist on living here and creating massive additional stress which would just be unfair for the children) I could apply to the courts for a habitation order if he was being unreasonable (think that's what it was called) which means dc and I can stay but he must go, and keep contributing until we had sold the house.

Oh I really don't want him to come home later. I so look forward to those nights/days when he is off doing his own sweet thing.

foolonthehill · 17/03/2012 12:32

Grin hi EW....you know worms are really useful things...turn lots of old garden waste into useful nutrient giving compost for future growth.

Also struggling at the moment but I know that seeing the truth is really the only way to freedom.....

I also enjoyed the fact that NSDH worked away from time to time...when he was bothered to work anyway!

Now he's away all the time Grin...just imagine that....

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ThePinkPussycat · 17/03/2012 12:42

Hi EW your situation is rather different from that other thread we were on last night.

My ex says he wants to move out. But it is so so rare that I am on my own. Can't wait.

sunrise65 · 17/03/2012 14:55

Can i join this thread if i´ve left an abusive relationship or is there a different thread for me? x

ThePinkPussycat · 17/03/2012 15:03

No, you're in the right place, and very welcome!

HoudiniHissy · 17/03/2012 16:43

Well Done Sunrise! Glad you found us.

Have you been out long? how are you doing? Got any RL help?

veeeee · 17/03/2012 19:06

Hello sunrise, it's nice to have people here who have escaped!

It's my first mothers day tomorrow. DH has told me not to expect anything because it's not all about me. Actually, I think it is!

ParsleyTheLioness · 17/03/2012 19:13

How is Mother day not about....Mothers?! You can always say the same to him on Fathers Day though.
Hi Sunrise!

findingmysong · 17/03/2012 19:22

Hi, I've read all this thread, and going to read the other ones too. I've posted a couple of times under different user names and had some really supportive responses. I broke up with NSDH three months ago. He's put a fair amount of pressure on me since, but I've been so lucky I found my way to the freedom programme and the women there have been so supportive and made me see a lot of wht NSDH has been doing as pressure tactics, trying to wear me down, e.g. messing about re finances, leaving a stanley knife (from work) on the side when he comes round, showing up unannounced, one minute being nice then being horrible, 'accidentally' running a too-hot bath for DS (I don't know if this is on purpose or not, but his aggressive incidents other than once years aho when v threatening to me and his road rage were all around/directed at DC e.g. punching/kicking things, throwing things near them/ threatening he felt like hurting DS in graphic way etc.) I feel like it's working a lot of the time TBH and had been considering whether we should try again so as to give DC a non 'broken' home and less stress re finances. It's also pretty tiring with a toddler and preschooler. My family have not been as supportive as I would have hoped, have fallen out with one family member and my Mum seems sympathetic when I've told her some of the details of our relationship, but will then ask have I thought it through/considered reconciliation/wondered if I'm not making a huge mistake depriving DC of their father (he has contact with them at weekend at his family's place and in the week coming round to put them to bed) etc etc.

I found out some proof today that NSDH has been lying teeth re finances, but still finding it hard to accept it could all be deliberate. Have read the Lundy Bancroft book and intellectually it all makes sense, but I just can't believe it, I thought he adored me (that's what he said) and he also has often said I overreact, I talk too much, I think too much/analyse things too much etc.. Still really confused, lonely, exhausted, sometimes angry, sometimes horribly sad. I can almost feel all these weights being piled on me, my confidence at work is on the floor and I humiliated myself at a work event this week which has made me feel even worse. How can it be him and not me? He always said everything was fine unless I was in a mood and there were no issues in the reltionship except the ones I created. I've been with him 11 years, two beautiful DC. He's lovely some of the time and I just had this image of him as so kind etc. He blames stress and just people in general 'shitting on him' and sometimes I feel sorry for him.

Also, 3 year old DD has said some things like Mummy doesn't love me, she is going to go away and has been having nightmares and the lady at the freedom programme thought he'd been telling her stuff, but it just does not fit with my belief he would not say things like that to her. Even though he's lost it in front of the children I always thought if nothing else he is a great father so I tell myself things like she must just have an active imagination, or with the money stuff he must have genuinly forgot how much our mortgage is or the conversations we've had. Or he says I didn't ask him for x or we agreed something different and I'm so tired I struggle to remember. I have started writing things down but not every little thing.

So sorry for the lenght of this, was trying to just post can I join and all that came out. Don't know why I've posted this stream of conscioussness, just needed to get it off my chest and feel like I'm not going to mad.

veeeee · 17/03/2012 19:32

Parsley he won't care, he'll say he's a grown up so wouldn't need to get upset over things so trivial!

finding so sorry you are finding it difficult although I admire you because you have left and I'm still here. I identify with lots of the things you've said.

ParsleyTheLioness · 17/03/2012 19:48

Vee, he's a twonk...Finding, sorry, he's really been gaslightling you. The things you describe are not good fathering, before we even touch on what mind-games he's been playing with you. Take it from one who knows, but it took a long, long time.

ParsleyTheLioness · 17/03/2012 19:49

Finding...should have been in bold.

ParsleyTheLioness · 17/03/2012 19:50

I am still sad at times, though I know I have done the right thing.

struwelpeter · 17/03/2012 19:55

Dear Finding,
please take a look at gas lighting - it is so clear that is what he is doing, also look at out of the fog website.
As you become more aware, lots of the nasty stuff that you collide into becomes clearer. And also look at freedom programme good dad/bad dad. Him saying 'you talk too much' is terrible. Hold fast to who you are and the good things you do, it will give you strength to see what he is doing wrong.

HoudiniHissy · 17/03/2012 19:58

vee, for the love of God, go out on your own with the DC, go and buy some flowers for yourself and some chocs and let the DC loose with crayons and paper.

It IS all about you and you are a mother. My Ex used to deny me any and every recognition too. Then he did the same to my son. Terribly sad. Tragic.

You can and will get out, and you will find a man that DOES treasure you, and that DOES love your DC.

finding, keep reading Lundy, there are more books too, like Charming men make Dangerous lovers. Sadly it will sink in. He thinks he did love you, but his way of showing you is deeply flawed and harmful to you. My Ex thinks he loved me too. But it doesn't matter what he thinks in the end, what mattered was what he did.

Actions speak louder than words.

HoudiniHissy · 17/03/2012 20:01

vee, fathers day is in June. I suggest THAT is the day you leave him. You have time. Sort it.... Grin

Bobits · 17/03/2012 20:09

These men are in love with the fairytale of being in love.
They cannot comprehend the reality of real love.
The idea of commitment and support is foreign to them.
They no nothing of honesty, trust and communication.

They cannot love anyone, as they cannot love themselves,
And they live in fear that people can see through their mask.

ParsleyTheLioness · 17/03/2012 20:15

Hear hear to that Bobits hi, btw. My NSDH is like that, despite being 50 this year. Read it in his head sometimes...

ParsleyTheLioness · 17/03/2012 20:17

...and he used to say "we never have any FUN anymore. His idea of fun by the way, was me and dd visiting old railways. His idea of fun, but not ours. We never got to do our idea of fun.

arthriticfingers · 17/03/2012 20:27

And they live in fear that people can see through their mask.
This is the essence, really

findingmysong · 17/03/2012 20:34

Thank you for your replies. Just feel :( One thing I don't get I have been having therapy and when I've talked about him before to my therapist she says stop using your energy to focus on him and look at how you allow people to cross your boundaries and be honest with myself etc, but I can't stop focussing on him, trying to work him out, what did/does he mean, does he love me. Bobbits and houdini what you say about love - maybe that is how it is with him - he genuinly does 'love' me in his way.

Maybe I should just try and get on with finding who I am like my therapist says, and stop focussing on him. Hard when I see him so much. More sleep would help, getting woken by both DC several times a night at moment so everything is slightly unreal.

Why am I getting horrible messages from family member saying I am horrid, selfish, when it feels to me they've let me down? It's like they sort of hear me when I'm saying what's been going on, but I didn't even think until so recently any of the unhappiness in the relationship was due to him being abusive - I've done some really bad things too like a ONS ages ago. Maybe it is all me - I do seem to be the common denominator in all this.

foolonthehill · 17/03/2012 21:17

mysong you are only the common denominator in this because it is your life that you are living.

I truly understand the "trying to work him out" thing. You still believe that he is a reasonable and caring human being who has flaws. But he is actually neither reasonable nor caring of anyone other than himself..(.i am still hardly believing this ) you think that in his head there is something similar to what's going on in yours...there is not. he won't be trying hard to find ways of making you feel better, he won't be looking for ways to repair you, he will be thinking me, me, me, me why is she doing this to me? What can i do to get MY life back, what strategy will work this time...shall I woo her, shall i scare her,........what will work?? Not what will actually make it better for all of you.

I don't know why your family is behaving like this....but is it possible that your problem with boundaries comes from there????? Does the strong, independent mysong open up problems for them in relating to you??? Or for them in relating to boundary probs in their own life??

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ThePinkPussycat · 17/03/2012 21:19

I spent years trying to work mine out, blaming my depression, not believing that he thought it was fine for us to live on my sickness benefit and money from family while he contributed nothing.

I have stopped trying to work him out, though I can often observe with detachment, and sometimes an insight reveals itself. Today's was this: if there is a choice between his inconvenience and mine, he will always choose to minimise his own inconvenience. Even if my inconvenience would be much greater. This is another way of saying he is entitled, isn't it?

foolonthehill · 17/03/2012 21:20

yup!

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ParsleyTheLioness · 17/03/2012 21:25

Yes Pink it is. Hi btw. I think trying to work these menz out takes an awful lot of energy that we don't have to spare... I think they rig it this way, if we spend all our time second-guessing them, we aren't looking at how bad their behaviour is. What I do know is that when NS fwit left, I felt less depressed, and had a lot more energy for work etc.

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