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I really want this to work.

186 replies

Marie229 · 01/03/2012 19:33

I'm going to start from the beginning. I started dating my boyfriend 3 years ago when he and his now ex-wife were separated. I know he went through a lot of trauma/hesitation deciding whether he made the right decision to separate/divorce because of his young son. I've always seen him as a very involved and sensitive father.

He ultimately decided that divorce was his best option. The way he described it to me was that he felt like he couldn't be himself in the relationship. He felt he married the wrong person. He was very unhappy and not-at-all in love. There was constant fighting and friction. He felt that his son would ultimately benefit from the split.

I know, believe me I know, that I shouldn't have gotten involved with him while he was still married to his ex wife. I regret it deeply (hind sight is truly 20/20). The only thing I can say is that I fell in love with this man. It was a love unlike anything I'd ever experienced (I'd only had one other boyfriend that lasted 8 years.) He was highly intelligent, very good looking, sensitive, receptive, and so many other things. What I adored most, though, was how we both viewed relationships. We both felt relationships should come first-- before parents, kids, jobs, passions, everything. We felt that the relationship was the foundation for everything else good. For example, if the husband/wife were happy and in love, then the children would be happy and well-adjusted. We had similar views on so many of life's questions. I felt it was a soul-to-soul meeting. I know that sounds silly, but I was truly head-over-heals for this guy. I ruined my reputation by dating him (because he wasn't yet divorced), and it didn't matter to me at all. I felt I needed to follow my heart.

Three years have now gone. I don't know what's going on anymore. I've only met his parents once, and I've only met his son once (about a month ago). I've asked (nearly begged) to be a bigger part of his life. At one point he told me, "What did you expect fooling around with a married man?" Another time he told me, "I can't introduce my son to some girlfriend." It feels like the only times he acknowledges my feelings is when I break up with him. When I try to talk to him, I feel like he gets angry. When he gets angry, I feel mistreated, and I break up with him. I've broken up with him numerous times. It's probably been three dozen times. Every time we break up, he apologizes, and I truly believe he means it. But then I get told that it's my fault that the relationship hasn't progressed because I break up with him every time there's a problem. Maybe I am being unrealistic. I can't tell anymore. I know that I don't feel heard, and that I feel uncared for and unloved when I try to bring something up. Maybe I should just understand that he'll react defensively. I've also reacted defensively.

Let me go into detail about the last few times we've argued....

I only see him on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays because he has his son on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. I don't always get to see him on my days, though, because his son is involved in Boy Scouts, soccer, baseball, and church. He is an awesome dad and rarely misses anything. I also can only see him until about 7 or 7:30 at night S-TH because he gets up at 3:30 AM to work out for two hours before work. Well, I look forward to Friday evenings with him because he stays a little longer. He doesn't stay that much longer, though, because he likes to go grocery shopping Saturday mornings around 6am before anyone gets there. OK, so this particular Friday evening, he decided to skip his son's soccer practice. Our relationship had really been suffering, so he felt we needed the extra time together. It made me feel like he was really making an effort for us, but I felt badly about him missing soccer practice. This was only the second time in three years that he missed a soccer practice, and he has never missed a soccer game. I made stuffed chicken and had wine, and we were really having a nice time together talking and connecting. At about 6:00, his ex-wife texted him telling him he was an awful father for choosing his girlfriend over his son (she used a lot of curse words and name calling, too.) He read the text to me and sat down on the couch. I could tell he was questioning whether there was truth in the text. He asked me if he was a bad father, and I told him that he wasn't. The whole mood of our evening shifted from that point on. I felt guilty that he missed soccer practice and because he was questioning whether he was a good dad. He completely disconnected from me, so we just started watching TV together. He calls his son every night at 8PM to tell him goodnight. Every night, he can't get a hold of his ex-wife. Sometimes, I think she does it on purpose to tick him off, and sometimes I think she's just really scatter-brained. Anyway, he gets furious every Friday night at 8 when he can't get a hold of his son. This particular Friday night, he was pacing the floor, criticizing his ex, and redialing about every 30 seconds. This happens every Friday night. I can tell you that leading up to 8 PM, I start to feel sick because I'm dreading the goodnight call. I don't know if his ex is going to answer and they're going to start yelling at each other, or if she's not going to answer, or if he's going to be disappointed when his son only wants to talk for a few minutes. Also, he gets angry because his ex and their son are usually always out, and he feels they should be at home getting ready for bed at 8PM. So, on this Friday night, after he finally did get to talk to his son, I calmly suggested that he stop the 8pm goodnight calls. He looked offended. I went on to explain how it always seems like a disappointment to him. He's either getting angry at his ex or angry because his son isn't at home in bed. I also explained how it's not really a bonding experience since his son is always ready to get off the phone after a couple minutes. I told him how it makes me feel like our time together is ruined and how much I look forward to our Friday nights. Well, you would have thought I slapped him in the face. He was furious with me. He felt I wanted to limit his time with his son. He was offended that I implied that I was the only one who looked forward to our Friday nights. I started crying. He stormed out of my house angry. He hates when I cry. He told me in the past that my crying is a form of manipulation. I broke up with him the next morning because I felt so hurt and uncared for. I told him how his anger and bad moods are affecting our lives, and how I don't want to live the rest of my life in his misery. He emailed me and texted all of these wonderful insights and promises, and we got back together after two weeks apart.

The first night we're back together is another Friday night. We talk and laugh and connect. I feel like everything is going to work out after two weeks apart. We make love. He gets up to leave immediately after. I'm hurt, and he asks why I'm hurt. I tell him that I don't want him to leave. I ask him to stay. He tells me he never expected to make love our first night back together, and he didn't plan on staying. He tells me he's confused by why I wanted to have sex in the first place. He leaves. I'm angry because we've had this same situation a number of times in the past, and he knows I'm hurt by it. The next morning I tell him I was hurt. He's defensive. He points out to me again that he had no intention of staying. He doesn't want to be out that late because he gets up early to go grocery shopping. He points out that I never stay at his house. He points out that I like to sleep in until 8, and he likes to get up at 5. All of these things are true. But I just feel like they're stretched. The reason I don't stay at his house is because I have a little dog, and it's not allowed at his house. I can't abandon my dog over night all alone-- especially after being at work all day long. He says that's an excuse I have. And the sleeping in until 8 is not true. I usually get up at 7, but I would happily get up at 5 with him and make breakfast. He makes me feel unloved when he does this, and then he gets angry at me for feeling that way. He says I imply that he only uses me for sex. I know he doesn't use me for sex. I truly believe he doesn't. He just really is obsessive about the schedule he keeps. I just don't understand how he doesn't recognize that his behavior is hurtful to me. So, again, I got angry with him and told him to leave me alone. We got back together, this time, the following Sunday.

On Sunday, I went over to his house. We were lying on his couch holding each other talking about our lives. I expressed discontent with my current job (we have the same types of job). I told him how I've been thinking about going back to school. I told him about how I really search for meaning in our jobs. Before I said any of this, I told him that I didn't want to offend him because I knew he liked our jobs. We talked openly and nicely. I felt wonderful after our talk and time together. Later that night, he called me put me down for talking negatively about our jobs. He asked if I could ever respect him since I wanted a different career and he was satisfied in the one we had. He said he was insulted day after day by his ex because she didn't have any respect for our jobs, either. I reassured him repeatedly that this was my issue, and that I loved that he loved his job. He kept questioning me and questioning me. I kept apologizing. Finally, I just hung up on him. The next morning, he didn't call me like he usually does. Around lunch time, I texted him that I was sorry and tried to explain things again. That night, I called him and apologized again. He told me I was hypocrite. I didn't understand. He went on to explain how I had broken up with him for two weeks because of his anger and discontent with how his ex wife treats him. He told me I'm a hypocrite for telling him that he should accept things and be happy when I'm not happy in my own life. He just kept putting me down. So, I told him to leave me alone again. We tried texting last night, but he, again, told me I was a hypocrite and asked why the things I tell him don't apply to myself. I don't think I'm being a hypocrite, but maybe I am?

I'm so confused. I really love him and want this to work.

OP posts:
CurrySpice · 01/03/2012 21:53

They are not izzyizin, you are right. It's easy to get jaded reading about some excuses formen here though isn't it?

swallowedAfly · 01/03/2012 21:54

all of the not staying over and having to be up at 5am and having to do his grocery shopping at a set time etc etc etc. he's a nutter control freak.

the stuff he told you at the beginning is BS - surely you see who he said he was isn't who he is? the gym comes first, the anal need to grocery shop at a set time comes first, everything comes ahead of his relationship.

it's horrible but people do this - they sell complete bs about themselves when they are in the first flush and then you get to see who they really are by their actions rather than their spin. some are even mad enough to believe their lies and prop that up by everything being your fault or her fault or anything other than their own fault. people lie about who they are and worse yet some people have so little self awareness or desire to gain it that they don't have a clue who they are.

Rindercella · 01/03/2012 22:01

Have you ever been grocery shopping with him at 6am on a Saturday morning OP? Have you ever been to the gym with him at 3.30am on a weekday morning? (massive Hmm to that btw). No, I thought not. I would bet a large amount of money on the fact that he is not where he tells you he is.

It is so utterly depressing that you so desperately want this man in your life. Is this really what you think you deserve? A few fleeting hours a couple of times a week? Always put last - even behind grocery shopping ffs?! When you first met, he hid himself from you - he told lies to conceal the person he really was, just telling you what he thought (correctly) you wanted to hear. He is now telling you who he is. Believe him. And run a mile in the opposite direction, just as fast as you can.

MissBeehivingUnderTheMistletoe · 01/03/2012 22:02

Get a better life without this knob. Really, you're wasting your time.

AnyFucker · 01/03/2012 22:05

Sometimes, when I read threads on MN, I wonder what the hell some parents are teaching their children about a good relationship consists of

Anniegetyourgun · 01/03/2012 22:07

All the wanting in the world can't make a relationship work if only one of you wants it to.

Peaches84 · 01/03/2012 22:11

OP, he's treating you like a mistress, and you are behaving like one. As for soul mates..... Soul mates don't break up every 5 minutes. You love the idea of him and desperately want it to work, probably because of the amount of damage it did to your reputation, if it works, then every action you took to get there was "justified" because it was "true love".
If you keep bailing on the relationship then You aren't committed to him and he definitely isn't committed to you.
The man is obsessive, run now, it will only get worse, never better!

foolonthehill · 01/03/2012 22:11

so you're with him for 2 hours 3 times a week and a bit of Sunday??????? and groceries, working out, unwanted non-bedtime calls and any old other thing come before you ALL the time??

Glad you have the wonderful, unconditional, full-time love of your little canine friend.....I'd make that your main relationship for now and see if you can't find someone who actually cares about you more than theirridiculous timetable in the future.

BTW if the glue that sticks you to him is the "marriage breaker" title that you earned at the beginning I am really sorry for you. You really, really need to put that behind you and not let it dictate the rest of your life. We all make mistakes....and hopefully learn from them, and grow. With him you are going to stay needy, stunted and sidelined IMO.

swallowedAfly · 01/03/2012 22:12

i now believe, as cynical as this will sound, that someone seeming perfect, having the exact same ideas about things as you, being wondrously in alignment with your needs/feelings/quirks etc is actually the ultimate alarm bell. the times i've had that have been where it's turned out that the person had zero self knowledge and authenticity and just mirrored what i wanted/needed to hear.

CurrySpice · 01/03/2012 22:13

I've read the OP again and I would say, almost wothout doubt, that thi sman has another woman on the go

You seem pretty inexperienced with men OP if I may say so

izzyizin · 01/03/2012 22:17

It's remarkably easy to fall into the trap of thinking that the majority of men at useless twunts from reading this board but, as we well know, the reverse is Curry.

Why did your previous 8 yr relationship come to an end Marie?

izzyizin · 01/03/2012 22:17

'reverse is true - not blank! Smile

Mumsyblouse · 01/03/2012 22:17

I agree he may well be in another relationship, he is very likely not going to an empty house at 7/7.30 in the evening after seeing you, but to his wife/mistress/partner. In fact, it's so odd, I can't believe you haven't questioned this before.

oikopolis · 01/03/2012 22:19

OP is he quite a bit older than you?

CurrySpice · 01/03/2012 22:19

"The reverse is Curry" :o

LesserOfTwoWeevils · 01/03/2012 22:40

What everyone else said.

BettyPerske · 02/03/2012 12:19

I'm sorry but I got this far:

'I only see him on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays because he has his son on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. I don't always get to see him on my days, though, because his son is involved in Boy Scouts, soccer, baseball, and church. He is an awesome dad and rarely misses anything. I also can only see him until about 7 or 7:30 at night S-TH because he gets up at 3:30 AM to work out for two hours before work. Well, I look forward to Friday evenings with him because he stays a little longer. He doesn't stay that much longer, though, because he likes to go grocery shopping Saturday mornings around 6am before anyone gets there. '

and my immediate feeling was that he is talking bollocks about where he is at these bizarre times.

BettyPerske · 02/03/2012 12:27

Jesus, sorry, I rarely type that but this guy has done a complete number on you. He's got you running about trying to placate him ALL the time, while he strops about like a narciccistic git doing what the hell he likes and tbh OP the restrictions he is placing on your time together are HIGHLY suggestive of another relationship, if not still his wife then some other poor bastard who is getting very little of his time.

Oh My god what a wanker he sounds - it's like something you read in a magazine at the doctor's, about how someone's bloke was actually seeing seven women at a time.

I'm not having a pop at you but please, please I have had some dodgy ones in the past but he is taking the cake. ! I'm like this Shock

and I am rarely harsh on relationships threads. This is just by-the-book gaslighting, it really is. I'm so sorry.

Totally appalled. Can you see how dubious his behaviour is? please say you can! And please say you have some RL support for when it sinks in, I am SO sorry for you xx

BettyPerske · 02/03/2012 12:28

narciccicicicicicstic, wtf, my ds2 was climbing up so I couldn't see what I was typing! Sorry.

narcisssssssistic.

Portofino · 02/03/2012 13:44

Betty - he's out with another woman no doubt.

JeffTracy · 02/03/2012 14:01

I think the fact that he read an abusive text about you from his ex-wife out to you could be enough for you to call it a day? That is not nice at all. and I agree with everyone else about his weird schedule.

From his point of view you break up with him every couple of weeks and won't ever stay the night at his because you have a dog. Really?

Perhaps a bit of a break would be best on both sides.

snuffaluffagus · 02/03/2012 14:49

I think it's time to move on, this relationship isn't making you happy or fulfilling you.

TheCrunchUnderfoot · 02/03/2012 14:59

He's a selfish knob who told you what you wanted to hear when he wanted to start a relationship with you.

Break up again, and this time when he comes whining around, say 'You're a twat' and delete his number.

You can do a lot better than this!

lisaro · 02/03/2012 15:04

A lot of new posters seem to use a few 'Americanisms' recently.

mojitomania · 02/03/2012 15:05

I hate to say this but the man couldn't care less about you OP. Even his shopping comes before.

And children come first in my book.