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To have texted DPs friend pretending to be him?

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JamRagRolyPoly · 11/02/2012 13:48

DP got in at 5am last night, saw a text on his phone (he was there when I was looking for texts from me) from his friend saying 'strip club round the cormer' Hmm.

I outright asked him, did you go? He said no. He knows I'm very much against them. Now I'm wondering if he can lie to my face.

While he's in the shower I texted his friend pretending to be DP saying 'great night last night, how was the strip club' so his friend could potentially text back saying er you were there mate remember?

Aibu to want to know if my DP is capable of lying to my face? This troubles me more than the strip club, because then it's like, what else?

(I know tis sounds very childish btw)

OP posts:
PamBeesly · 13/02/2012 14:45

Hi Jam I really feel for you, you've had a huge shock and I'm sure you are more interested about your own feelings than the feelings of people towards strip clubs. I totally get that, I would urge caution with him if he is on the defensive, DO NOT allow him to try to make this your fault or in any way put blame on you. This is his huge mistake, make him OWN it. Sometimes I think we love someone so much we don't like to see them upset or in pain and we like to forget our own pain and just go with the 'norm' but this wears us down and we eventually will be hugelyunhappy. I truly hope you get the space you need, physically and emotionally to work through things.

With regard to 'Dutch People' well I can't speak for all of them but I lived there and my husband is Dutch and from the impression I get the Dutch are quite aware the there is a lot of illegal activity and underground prostitution in the Netherlands and not only that but the Netherlands is a huge trafficking hub for sex slaves. I personally hate prostitution and in the Netherlands, its like a zoo for sex workers, and toursist are encorgaed to come and watch? How can people be ok with that? Totally dehumanizing women, people actually go to the Red Light district of Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Groningen, Utrecht and take pictures of these ladies, you are asked not to but people do. And this is the prostitution that is 'legal' imagine the conditions for those who are working illegally

JamRagRolyPoly · 13/02/2012 16:07

He's still being on the defensive.

Found out I'm going and sent me some texts like 'i have apologised, I have let you throw everything at me. To be honest I can't see how you will ever forgive me, not after what you said.' and 'i think you're blowing this way out of proportion, do what you think is best' funny how now he's back at work I'm blowing it out of proportion, he didn't seem to think so yesterday.

I'm not letting him turn it around on me and make me feel bad. I think he's just shocked that I'm not forgiving him straightaway. This is going to take a while.

OP posts:
IslandMoose · 13/02/2012 16:41

Firstly, I do feel very sorry for you OP. I've read the whole thread and I completely understand why you have reacted the way you have.

You do need to decide, though, whether there is any point going forwards from here. If the answer is yes, you and your DP need to have an agreed course of action - a set of "deliverables" effectively which show what needs to be done (mainly on his part but also perhaps on yours). A vague hope that things will sort themselves out over time is not likely to work out well.

Alternatively you should end it - probably for both of your sakes.

Wishing you all the best.

PamBeesly · 13/02/2012 16:54

You know Jam classic example of shifting all the responsibility onto you...I don't know you personally but I do know that YOU deserve better than this and I really do hope that you don't accept this, regardless of whether you two in the end work it out or not. You are not blowing it out of proportion on any level, least of all your feelings aren't being blown out of proportion more likely he just doesn't respect you feelings and isn't willing to no.1) accept what he did and the impact it has had on you 2) put himself out with LOTS of gestures to in anyway change his behaviour.
I can imagine the pain of the upheavel, the dreams you had about building your life with him and TTC, the idea of a family but, and you will not see the benefit now, but a few months down the road you will see that its not a good way to live (living with someon who lies and does things you find abhorrent (strip clubs, Class A's etc)

JamRagRolyPoly · 13/02/2012 17:36

He's saying he misses me already. Can't believe he did this to us.

Island - you're right, we need a course of action. Any advice on that would be great

OP posts:
PamBeesly · 13/02/2012 17:53

Of course he misses you Jam why wouldn't he? You didn't do anything to f him over or breach his trust. Pity he didn't think of 'his' feelings while he was paying to go into that club and while he was lying to your face. Sorry if you think I'm being harsh.

redwineformethanks · 13/02/2012 18:15

Stay strong. Stick to your own beliefs and principles.

AnyFucker · 13/02/2012 18:18

Some true remorse of how he hurt you, rather than being pissed off that he caught, would be a good start

Do you believe he is really sorry, or does he just want everything back to how it was before, without him having to lose face ?

nkf · 13/02/2012 18:24

I think you have to decide if you love the man more than you hate what he did. I wouldn't get too preoccupied with quality of remorse. Who can tell what is going on in someone's mind?

What do you want to do? I know it probably feels very intense but, in reality, it's a short relationship and you are very young.

Do you want to stay with him? If so, what would make that easier for you?

JamRagRolyPoly · 13/02/2012 18:58

I want to see if he has true remorse AF, I'm hoping me leaving for a few days will show him how hurt I am, and how I'm not willing to just let this blow over easily.

He has disgusted me beyond belief.

If he shows no remorse or understanding when I return, that will tell me what I need to know; if this relationship is worth saving.

OP posts:
NoHunIntended · 13/02/2012 19:13

Oh OP, you are sooooo young, (not that I'd be advising someone twice or even three times your age to stay either, mind), but you have your whole life ahead of you, loads and loads of time to meet a decent, kind, respectful man who has the same morals/ethics as you. They do exist. You do not need to settle, you really don't. This one doesn't sound understanding, or remorseful. I know you are in your 2ww, are you waiting to see if you are pg before you act? If you are not pg, you have no ties to this excuse of a man, I'd run while I could. I'd want a man who was going to raise my child with decent morals. Not him.

runningforthebusinheels · 13/02/2012 19:15

OP what do you think he will do next time he's drunk and out with the lads? A strip club is the next port of call - will he go and lie to you again? Or will he come home to you?

Will you actually trust him? None of us actually know him, only you can judge this :(

Quattrocento · 13/02/2012 19:25

We all bring our life experiences and philosophies onto MN. So to Sigmund who damns all feminists for bringing their feminism onto this thread, I say I'm sorry but I don't know how to leave it at the door.

Feminism for me is a way of life - in the workplace where I make sure I compete on level terms with men, and win some too. At home where we take equal part in all chores. In my life where I am friends with men and women equally and don't feel I should confine myself to women.

So I don't know how to leave feminism behind. I'm sure most women are feminists. I'm sure they don't know how to get over the idea that they are equal to men.

Charbon · 13/02/2012 19:51

It's blindingly obvious he's been talking to the other wankers at work, that he calls his mates.

SigmundFraud · 13/02/2012 20:08

Hmm Quattro..

I would use one of these silencing techniques feminists bang on about, but unfortunately I haven't met a feminist that was actually silenced by one. In fact, quite the opposite.

JamRagRolyPoly · 13/02/2012 20:12

He got home and read my letter, seems it's sinking it more. Sent me a long message which seems more positive, he's realising how much he's hurt me. He said he 'doesn't got to places like that, and will never again' and he knows it's going to take a while to gain my trust again and he says he knows he's let me down.

I've explained that the most important things in a relationship for me are honesty, trust, communication and respect, all of which are missing from this relationship. I we need to think of a course of action for things we need to do to fix this.

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 13/02/2012 20:25

Jam, this may be a time for you to revist what you talked about at the beginning of your thread about him having done "questionable" things before, but previously he has always been able to "talk you round"

what will change this time ?

AnyFucker · 13/02/2012 20:25

revisit

ChippingInNeedsCoffee · 13/02/2012 20:26

I can't think why you'd bother.

PlentyOfPubeGardens · 13/02/2012 20:42

Have you considered counselling? You could have counselling on your own to help you decide what you want and then either ask him to go to couples counselling or use your individual counselling as a springboard for your new single life (underrated imo.)

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 13/02/2012 21:42

But he does go to places like that, he went to one the other night. I am Confused at him saying he doesn't! And if I've read the thread correctly, it wasn't the first time he has been to one.

Jam you shouldn't feel pressured into making a quick decision here. If he is a genuinely good, kind, respectful man, then he will understand how much he has hurt you and broken your trust and he will give you space and time to sort your feelings out.
The fact that he is more concerned about himself here than he is you (he is missing you, therefore you should come home) says a lot about him IMO, and not much of it good.

runningincircles · 14/02/2012 16:43

Hi Jam, sorry I' late to all of this. I am in a similar situation. I always made my views on strip clubs perfectly clear and D?H agreed that he would not go. However 3 kids later. He goes out to the local for a few pints on a Saturday night saying he will only be a couple of hours. Then rolls in at 4.30, too drunk to get up the stairs. The next morning I pick his coat up off the floor and there is a cash machine receipt for £200 from the strip club on the floor. I go upstairs to ask WTF he has been up to for that kind of money and he says nothing I haven't had a shag or anything! Tried talking to him but just got the silent treatment. He later says he was too drunk and can't remember much but that he went with loads of people from the pub (which did turn out to be true, I must live in a seedy village).

I almost left him, found a house and looked into how I would support 3 kids (7, 20 months and 4 months). However, after much apologising for hurting me and promising never to go again. I agreed to stay as I feel that most of our relationship is good and worth saving. Also, I really want my kids to have a family. His point of view did not change, he still sees nothing wrong with strip clubs, but agreed not to go because it hurts me so much.

The very next time he went out, he went again. He was late back. I asked him if he had been there. He looked me in the eye and said no. Just as I was going up to bed he said i'll be up in a minute, he had something in his hand and was heading towards the bin. I took these of him, a train ticket and another receipt for the same club! I was and still a heart broken. I didn't have another argument left in me. So I just said what do you think should happen now. He said he thinks he is close to having a drink problem and has seriously cut down drinking and has again promised not to go to these places. Also, has cancelled a boys holiday he was going to go on.

I will probably get a flaming for not being cool with strip clubs, or not leaving when i'm so hurt. As this seems like quite a cruel thread. I have stayed we are trying to work things out. Having children does make a difference to how much I will tolerate, as more is at stake. It is not just my future but also my children's.

Anyway, I truly hope that you are starting to feel better. My only advice is, only you know if the relationship is generally good and worth saving. If you decide to leave, don't worry about being alone. The world has many lovely people and one of them WILL be right for you. If you decide to stay, get to know each other better and maybe wait a little while longer before having children.

As for me and DH we still love each other, he is trying to make things up to me. Trusting him is hard and I feel like I am waiting for the next betrayal. Hoping and praying that it won't happen.

To all nasty posters, i'm not looking for your opinions. I just wanted to offer some advice from someone else in the same boat as OP. I'm in tears writing this. So don't be mean.

AnyFucker · 14/02/2012 17:04

RIC, I am really glad you posted to the OP (even though she hasn't posted for a while, hopefully she is still reading)

I am sorry you have been hurt repeatedly by your husband. I truly hope he has learned his lesson, that cheap thrills and weak, easily-led behaviour is not worth throwing your family away for.

I think your perspective will help the OP, as someone who is opposed to strip clubs but has decided her husband is otherwise worth sticking with. And that it is clear that you have done this without changing your perspective towards them by one iota.

I think that is a much braver thing to do than try and convince yourself that you were "making a fuss over nothing", nor trying to convince the OP that she is to justify your own decision

good luck x

ArosstheUniverse · 14/02/2012 17:19

OP, hope you are doing ok.

I am always truly amazed when women post on these threads saying they happy for their husbands to go strip clubs- thank god my husband hates them as much as I do otherwise he'd be my ex-husband we'd have abit of a problem!

RIC For what it's worth, I do think that some people can genuinely make mistakes and learn from them- it sounds like you have your head screwed on and I hope it works out for you x

runningincircles · 14/02/2012 17:22

Thanks AF!