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If my son were my daughter... LONG!

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IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 16:37

My son is in his midtwenties, and is engaged to and living with his DF. They've been together for about 8 years, and I think she was his first GF, certainly the only one he has ever mentioned or introduced. I have always found it difficult to like her or even get to know her; in all of that time I have only heard her chat freely once, and was astounded at her cattiness and lack of empathy, but I suppose she's young. (I made no comment at the time, nor have I since.) They are due to marry later this year.

She has a difficult family background and this has caused her problems with insecurity and self-esteem, including eating disorders; this was disclosed to me when every invitation to a family event resulted in her being "sick" at the last minute. Despite not having a "chatty" relationship, she has confided in me about some events in her past and ended up sobbing in my arms a couple of times. I have suggested counselling, offering to drive her to appointments, and even sourcing the help available, but she has taken no action so far as I know. I concluded she's a bit of a drama queen (understandably) and left it.

Until they moved out about 15 months ago, they both slept in my home 3 or 4 nights a week, spending the other nights in her home. They would come back from work or college, collect their meals from the kitchen and vanish upstairs to eat and watch TV in his room. They did not participate in family life at all, did no housework and paid no rent, but DH and I left them to it. We were, tbh, relieved when they moved out, as DS had constant clashes (verbal!) with his dad and younger brother and the atmosphere could be uncomfortable at times.

So far, so normal.

However, since then she has decided that she hates me, and is refusing to speak to me. Xmas gifts were pointedly from him, not them. When I asked DS what was going on, he told me his DF feels I betrayed her confidence when I spoke to a friend when seeking help in supporting her with her eating disorder; said friend is a bit of an expert on the topic and the information I disclosed to her has gone no further. So yes, I did breach her confidence but only because I was worried about her, and I have apologised and explained this to her, but my apologies are not accepted. DH is included in the "not speaking to" category by virtue of being DH, and DS2 is also included because of the sibling rivalry going on when they all lived here.

DS feels caught in the middle, but is still speaking to us and even managing to be civil to his DB now they live apart. He's in a difficult situation and none of us wants to make that any worse.

However, DH and I recently bumped into one of DS's good pals from school, and were disturbed to realise that DS hasn't seen him in over a year. Plans had been made a few times, but cancelled at the last minute when DF was "sick." DS2 met another of DS's old friends (DS was best man at his wedding 18 months ago, this couple introduced DS to his DF) and he hasn't seen DS in a long time either. The married couple have often invited DS and DF to social events, but every time DF was "sick" at the last minute. They haven't even seen DS and DF's new home.

There are other examples, he has left one club, drastically reduced his involvement with another, and given up a third pastime he had recently taken up, all since moving in with her. They live in a property belonging to her family, in her village.

So, if my son were my daughter, I'd be sitting her down for a chat about red flags and abusive behaviour. I'd be pointing out that DF is attempting (and achieving) to isolate her from friends and family, and is emotionally manipulative. I'd maybe even say that, damaging as DF's background was, it doesn't excuse such controlling behaviour in the here and now. I might point out that DF cannot be "fixed" by love or responsibility alone.

But I have a horrible feeling that attempting such a conversation would result in a complete break from family. What, if anything, can or should I do? Keep my nose out and not be an "interfering MIL from Hell"? Or attempt the talk and maybe make everything so much worse?

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Thingumy · 27/01/2012 16:42

I'd say keep your nose out.

He is adult and so is she.

You sound like you really don't get that she has a ED.

He sounds like he is happy with his relationship with her.Leave it be.

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 16:45

Tbh, Thingumy, I don't believe she does have an ED, though I do believe she did in the past. But I take on board your points, thanks for reading it all.

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Lisatheonewhoeatsdrytoast · 27/01/2012 16:46

I'd say same as Thingumy people change, even our children!

I know when i met my DH, we probably stopped a lot of things we did before, found new things to do together, and a lot of friends we had when we were young have been replaced as we grew apart and wanted to live different lives, i'd be happy that he was happy and that they are happy.

You breached her confidence regardless, and if she isn't going to talk to you, then you just have to accept that i'm afraid.

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 16:48

Thank you, Lisa. Sadly, the activities have not been replaced with joint ones, but I suppose they could just be enjoying having their own place.

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Lumiya · 27/01/2012 16:48

All you can do is make it clear that you are there for him whenever he needs you. But to be honest, you sound like you detest her. They probably know this and are avoiding you.

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 16:50

Thank you, Lumiya, you're probably right.

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BalloonSlayer · 27/01/2012 16:51

I think one of the symptoms of an eating disorder is "cutting off" people who are concerned enough to challenge you about your behaviour.

I have a friend with an ED who has cut off a good friend who sought advice from a professional about how to support her, and who does not go to social events where there is food because she cannot cope. And she is a really NICE person!

kodachrome · 27/01/2012 16:51

I think you should just be unfailingly kind and polite about her, and at all costs keep lines of communication open and make sure he knows you love him and the door is always open. I don't suppose he'd be receptive about your concerns right now, and nor would a daughter. Just hold on.

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 16:52

Thanks, BallonSlayer, I do understand about having difficulty eating in public.

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IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 16:53

Thanks kodachrome too. Will do.

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cubiclejockey · 27/01/2012 16:54

That sounds like a difficult situation. It is similar to what I'm going through with my brother.

I understand where you are coming from as your son's mother and it must make you feel very helpless. I don't mean to sound trite but I think the reality is that there isn't much you can do except be there for your son. You already know that sitting him down for the "talk" will likely not be well received.

Because he is the age he is, it isn't really possible for you to "fix" this for him. Keep reiterating that you are there for him and that you love him. Keep your door open. Be as benign and neutral and pleasant with the DF and try not to get drawn into her drama. Control your reactions to her actions by not feeding into any conflict with her.

By the sounds of it, there are warning signs that his relationships is not particularly an emotionally healthy one and by it's very nature, things will play out, probably not very well. Your son will need you at that time. And you will be there for him.

Good luck.

Thingumy · 27/01/2012 16:56

I don't see any red flags.

You think she is a drama queen and you spoke to a friend about her ED and she felt betrayed by this.

Your son hasn't seen a few 'close' friends lately and stopped a few of his clubs.So? These things happen as we mature and life changes.You cannot control this,it's his life and his choice.

'They live in a property belonging to her family, in her village' -And?

ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 27/01/2012 16:56

I would do, whatever you would do, if your son was your daughter. He is your child - this doesn't change with his gender. I think that if you do it in a loving way, it wont change the relationship you have with him now. Good luck.

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 16:57

Thank you, cubicle jockey. I am worried about the wedding, if she's still not accepting my apologies by then it will make for a difficult day.

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AlfStewart · 27/01/2012 16:59

The property thing is a worry because he'd be out on his ear quicker than shit off a shovel if they split up.

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 17:00

Thank you, ChippingIn. Thingumy, I was just thinking that posters come on here and say that the "dramaqueen" behaviour of their DPs have led to them cutting off friends and family (he's always grumpy when I see my friend X, therefore I see less of X) and they are told that this is a red flag, controlling, emotionally abusive... Hence the name change.

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IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 17:01

And yes, AlfStewart, but he could come back here till he finds a new place, and we could help fund that.

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Thingumy · 27/01/2012 17:03

Why are you thinking about them splitting up? they are planning a wedding aren't they?

Jeez.

Leave them be.

SnapesOnAPlane · 27/01/2012 17:03

People move on and make new friends, it's just a part of growing up - it's not necessarily a big red flag.

But if she IS manipulating him to such a degree, he probably hasn't noticed and won't believe you. It'll only give her more material to use to have him cut you all out of his life. Sit back and wait for him to come to you. x

AlfStewart · 27/01/2012 17:04

What's that got to do with the price of eggs in China, when he's funding her place for years first?

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 17:04

I'm not thinking about them splitting up, just responding to a point. And yes, Snapes, I think you're right.

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IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 17:06

They both work, and earn pretty much thesame, so he's not funding her, Alf.

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Thingumy · 27/01/2012 17:08

Have you actually asked your son if he is happy with his relationship?

AlfStewart · 27/01/2012 17:10

He'll be paying bills and all that though, won't he? And then have nothing to show for it when he's out on his ear. If he's alright with that, and just sees it as renting, then no harm done.

Snowbeetle · 27/01/2012 17:10

I can see why you're worried, no-one likes to think someone they love is 'losing' themselves which is basically your concern.
But maybe the chat you describe would be a bit gung-ho if he is busy thinking she is the bees-knees and deliriously happy. He might not be being submerged but in fact might be a great support to her and able to be himself, whatever that is.
Situation (if there is one) is a slow-burner so no need to rush into anything. Maybe next time you have a quiet family social time over a cuppa type moment you could have a chit-chat asking how's life? wide-open question, keeping it really general - don't dig for info on 'them', just let him talk about whatever is going on in his life, job or anything and just try to get a better gauge whether he is happy with his life,
that could just give you some reassurance, if it doesn't at least he knows you're interested and can talk if he wants.
Pity she has fallen out with you but if her family are rotten she probably struggles to trust peoples motives in which case only long-term reliability can erase her view for something more favourable.
good luck