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If my son were my daughter... LONG!

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IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 16:37

My son is in his midtwenties, and is engaged to and living with his DF. They've been together for about 8 years, and I think she was his first GF, certainly the only one he has ever mentioned or introduced. I have always found it difficult to like her or even get to know her; in all of that time I have only heard her chat freely once, and was astounded at her cattiness and lack of empathy, but I suppose she's young. (I made no comment at the time, nor have I since.) They are due to marry later this year.

She has a difficult family background and this has caused her problems with insecurity and self-esteem, including eating disorders; this was disclosed to me when every invitation to a family event resulted in her being "sick" at the last minute. Despite not having a "chatty" relationship, she has confided in me about some events in her past and ended up sobbing in my arms a couple of times. I have suggested counselling, offering to drive her to appointments, and even sourcing the help available, but she has taken no action so far as I know. I concluded she's a bit of a drama queen (understandably) and left it.

Until they moved out about 15 months ago, they both slept in my home 3 or 4 nights a week, spending the other nights in her home. They would come back from work or college, collect their meals from the kitchen and vanish upstairs to eat and watch TV in his room. They did not participate in family life at all, did no housework and paid no rent, but DH and I left them to it. We were, tbh, relieved when they moved out, as DS had constant clashes (verbal!) with his dad and younger brother and the atmosphere could be uncomfortable at times.

So far, so normal.

However, since then she has decided that she hates me, and is refusing to speak to me. Xmas gifts were pointedly from him, not them. When I asked DS what was going on, he told me his DF feels I betrayed her confidence when I spoke to a friend when seeking help in supporting her with her eating disorder; said friend is a bit of an expert on the topic and the information I disclosed to her has gone no further. So yes, I did breach her confidence but only because I was worried about her, and I have apologised and explained this to her, but my apologies are not accepted. DH is included in the "not speaking to" category by virtue of being DH, and DS2 is also included because of the sibling rivalry going on when they all lived here.

DS feels caught in the middle, but is still speaking to us and even managing to be civil to his DB now they live apart. He's in a difficult situation and none of us wants to make that any worse.

However, DH and I recently bumped into one of DS's good pals from school, and were disturbed to realise that DS hasn't seen him in over a year. Plans had been made a few times, but cancelled at the last minute when DF was "sick." DS2 met another of DS's old friends (DS was best man at his wedding 18 months ago, this couple introduced DS to his DF) and he hasn't seen DS in a long time either. The married couple have often invited DS and DF to social events, but every time DF was "sick" at the last minute. They haven't even seen DS and DF's new home.

There are other examples, he has left one club, drastically reduced his involvement with another, and given up a third pastime he had recently taken up, all since moving in with her. They live in a property belonging to her family, in her village.

So, if my son were my daughter, I'd be sitting her down for a chat about red flags and abusive behaviour. I'd be pointing out that DF is attempting (and achieving) to isolate her from friends and family, and is emotionally manipulative. I'd maybe even say that, damaging as DF's background was, it doesn't excuse such controlling behaviour in the here and now. I might point out that DF cannot be "fixed" by love or responsibility alone.

But I have a horrible feeling that attempting such a conversation would result in a complete break from family. What, if anything, can or should I do? Keep my nose out and not be an "interfering MIL from Hell"? Or attempt the talk and maybe make everything so much worse?

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ImperialBlether · 28/01/2012 15:38

Oh another thing.

I think if she sees you as the offender, then maybe someone else should be acting instead.

Why doesn't your husband phone him and ask them over for dinner? If your son says "Well, Y hates the OP" then your husband could say, "Don't be ridiculous, OP has always been kind to her. Don't you remember how Y lived with us rent free for all those months/years (say exactly how long) and Y didn't even expect her or you to do any housework or contribute towards the bills? She's always been kind to both of you, so don't give us any of that crap now."

It needs to be said.

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 28/01/2012 15:39

I don't know. He knows (obv!) how she feels, and that I know. I don't know if it would be perceived as holding out an olive branch, or, "FFS, can't that woman take a hint and stay away?" from DF. A meal is particularly tricky.

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IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 28/01/2012 15:40

She hates DH too, and includes him in my sin.

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ImperialBlether · 28/01/2012 15:45

Yes, I know she hates your DH, but surely your DH could have that conversation with his own son? If people don't say things like that (that you were good to them) then your son's perspective can be skewed.

ImperialBlether · 28/01/2012 15:46

God, it's really awful, isn't it?

ChickensGoMeh · 28/01/2012 15:49

SGB has said everything I was thinking. I'd do my best to make friends with the woman, smile at all times, go out of my way not to criticise her to DS and hope and pray that he comes to his senses before they have children. I'd probably spend a lot of time screaming in to pillows, too. This is a long game, OP. Be bullet proof. Refuse to take offence or rise to the bait. Keep your relationship with your DS as good as it can possibly be so that he can always come to you if he needs to.

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 28/01/2012 15:52

I'm not sure we were particularly good to them, it was just how circumstances panned out, really. And regardless of the support I did offer, that's all wiped out by my betrayal.

Or that's how it seems, anyway.

Sorry, I know I'm sounding very negative here. I thought we were a fairly ordinary family, now it feels like I should have thrown him out at 18. hadn't realised how much our relatoonship with DS had deteriorated.

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ChickensGoMeh · 28/01/2012 15:56

None of us are perfect parents, OP. I don't think you've committed any heinous crimes, btw. How old is your DS?

Heswall · 28/01/2012 15:58

I'd just be ready to pick up the pieces if required. Hard work this parenting malarky isn't it.

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 28/01/2012 16:02

He's 25, Chickens. She'll be 24 in a couple of months, maybe I should do the olive branch thing then? I thought of buying her a really nice gift at Xmas but thought she'd probably think I was trying to "buy" my way into her good books, but maybe for her birthday?

I don't know if her current attitude is a triumphant "Now I've told the bitch and put her in her place", or if she's still fuming about it all.

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IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 28/01/2012 16:04

Oh, Heswall, I thought they'd grow up, go to college/university and leave home. After a while they'd introduce a "serious" gf, they'd marry/settle down together and it would all be rosey... Not quite how things have panned out! Grin

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ChickensGoMeh · 28/01/2012 16:08

I'd grit my teeth and offer the olive branch. I'd apologise, in front of DS, about breaking her confidence. Then if she still acts like a vengeful teenager at least DS will see that you've done the right thing. Do not have any private conversations with her, as they can be twisted. Be civil, polite, and completely neutral to whatever she throws at you. It might take superhuman efforts, but in the end it will be worth it. She'll either grow up and you'll grow to like her, or when it goes tits up you'll be able to help DS.

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 28/01/2012 16:14

I think what I'll do is wait till her birthday, buy a lovely present, and DH and I will take it to their house when they're both in, but not expecting us. Hand it over with an apology and a wee speach about hoping we can put it all behind us and look to a happier future.

Then get the hell out of Dodge, allow her to process, and hope we can return to some semblance of normality.

Put the ball back in her court, sort of?

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ImperialBlether · 28/01/2012 16:43

OP, you let her stay rent free, you have paid for her wedding and now you are going to buy a lovely present?

NO!

She says she hates you. She doesn't deserve a present until she is speaking to you again. Seriously - don't give her a present.

Send your son a FB message saying, "I'm so sorry X is upset with me. I am so sorry that I spoke to Y about it, but I just felt so bad for X and really wanted to help her. I would love to have a good relationship with you both again - what can we do to make that happen?"

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 28/01/2012 16:54

Even as I posted my last, I wondered if I'd be appeasing a male manipilator of my daughter... FB message might work...

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Earthymama · 28/01/2012 17:13

I have no wise words to offer, I just want to send love and blessings as you are caught in such a trapSad
When, as babies, they are awake all night screaming inconsolably you try everything you can do to help.
To be helpless when they grow up is so hard.
I hope you can resolve this, your son will understand one day, I'm sure

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 28/01/2012 17:14

Thank you. :)

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Ploink · 29/01/2012 11:34

I don't think you should get her a present either. As far as money goes you've given them more then enough. Perhaps a card saying that you would like you all to be able to move on might be better?

I agree that if it were a man you wouldn't be buying him nice presents.

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