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If my son were my daughter... LONG!

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IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 16:37

My son is in his midtwenties, and is engaged to and living with his DF. They've been together for about 8 years, and I think she was his first GF, certainly the only one he has ever mentioned or introduced. I have always found it difficult to like her or even get to know her; in all of that time I have only heard her chat freely once, and was astounded at her cattiness and lack of empathy, but I suppose she's young. (I made no comment at the time, nor have I since.) They are due to marry later this year.

She has a difficult family background and this has caused her problems with insecurity and self-esteem, including eating disorders; this was disclosed to me when every invitation to a family event resulted in her being "sick" at the last minute. Despite not having a "chatty" relationship, she has confided in me about some events in her past and ended up sobbing in my arms a couple of times. I have suggested counselling, offering to drive her to appointments, and even sourcing the help available, but she has taken no action so far as I know. I concluded she's a bit of a drama queen (understandably) and left it.

Until they moved out about 15 months ago, they both slept in my home 3 or 4 nights a week, spending the other nights in her home. They would come back from work or college, collect their meals from the kitchen and vanish upstairs to eat and watch TV in his room. They did not participate in family life at all, did no housework and paid no rent, but DH and I left them to it. We were, tbh, relieved when they moved out, as DS had constant clashes (verbal!) with his dad and younger brother and the atmosphere could be uncomfortable at times.

So far, so normal.

However, since then she has decided that she hates me, and is refusing to speak to me. Xmas gifts were pointedly from him, not them. When I asked DS what was going on, he told me his DF feels I betrayed her confidence when I spoke to a friend when seeking help in supporting her with her eating disorder; said friend is a bit of an expert on the topic and the information I disclosed to her has gone no further. So yes, I did breach her confidence but only because I was worried about her, and I have apologised and explained this to her, but my apologies are not accepted. DH is included in the "not speaking to" category by virtue of being DH, and DS2 is also included because of the sibling rivalry going on when they all lived here.

DS feels caught in the middle, but is still speaking to us and even managing to be civil to his DB now they live apart. He's in a difficult situation and none of us wants to make that any worse.

However, DH and I recently bumped into one of DS's good pals from school, and were disturbed to realise that DS hasn't seen him in over a year. Plans had been made a few times, but cancelled at the last minute when DF was "sick." DS2 met another of DS's old friends (DS was best man at his wedding 18 months ago, this couple introduced DS to his DF) and he hasn't seen DS in a long time either. The married couple have often invited DS and DF to social events, but every time DF was "sick" at the last minute. They haven't even seen DS and DF's new home.

There are other examples, he has left one club, drastically reduced his involvement with another, and given up a third pastime he had recently taken up, all since moving in with her. They live in a property belonging to her family, in her village.

So, if my son were my daughter, I'd be sitting her down for a chat about red flags and abusive behaviour. I'd be pointing out that DF is attempting (and achieving) to isolate her from friends and family, and is emotionally manipulative. I'd maybe even say that, damaging as DF's background was, it doesn't excuse such controlling behaviour in the here and now. I might point out that DF cannot be "fixed" by love or responsibility alone.

But I have a horrible feeling that attempting such a conversation would result in a complete break from family. What, if anything, can or should I do? Keep my nose out and not be an "interfering MIL from Hell"? Or attempt the talk and maybe make everything so much worse?

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IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 17:11

Not yet, Thingumy, that would be my opening gambit were I to do "the talk". But I probably won't say anything, and just hope for the best.

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IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 17:14

He is seeing it as "renting", because it is. They rent from a family member, but the situation would be no different with any other LL.

Thank you, Snowbeetle, it's just keeping communications open with him, isn't it?

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AlfStewart · 27/01/2012 17:16

Fair enough. I thought it was a property bought outright for them- wrong end of the stick. So it wasn't relevant really then?

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 17:20

It was only relevant in that it ties them closer to her family, while distancing him from his. Sorry I didn't make that clearer, it was quite an essay as it was! Grin

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xkittyx · 27/01/2012 17:21

I do think that if this was your daughter, not your son, people would be thinking controlling and red flags. I'm surprised you haven't had more agreement.
I think perhaps there's a general negativity about women's mother-in-laws on here which is informing that.

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EthelredOnAGoodDay · 27/01/2012 17:26

You could always mention that you'd bumped into his mates. You dont have to tell him what they told you, but just say whether he offers anything up, like they've moved on, or drifted apart etc etc?

These situations are never easy. as our DD is only little we have only experienced this through a couple of friends who've gone through something similar, but luckily they've come out fine at the other end. I think, as many of the other posters have said you are best to just take a step back, but be there for him when he needs you. Definitely don't be judgemental about her to him, as that will just push them closer.

However, in your defence, I think to fall out with you is a bit ridiculous, especially after you basically had them living with you half the week. My PILs really wind me up, deliberately a lot of the time, but you just have to grin and bear it. Your ILs might p you off, but they're your partner's family and you all have to make compromises on order to get along. Although she clearly has some problems,so who knows what's on her mind...

Sorry, not much help really and a bit rambling! Blush

Good luck, hope it resolves itself.

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 17:26

Thanks, kitty and maryz. When the wedding was booked we were all on the invitation list, though tbh I'm half-thinking of being (very P-A) "sick" on the day. Blush I have paid for the venue, ceremony and meal, it's a hotel package, so they wouldn't be out of pocket if I did... but no, of course I must attend, for my DS's sake.

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SixtyFootDoll · 27/01/2012 17:27

As mum to two sons, I too would have your concerns.
And having worked in the domestic abuse field, there are some red flags that would be viewed differently if your son was you daughter.
She does sound manipulative, but there isn't much you can do apart from keep in contact with your son.
Agree with kitty's post above.

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 17:27

Thank you, Ethelred, love your name!

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IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 17:28

Thank you too, SixtyFootDoll. (I am very short.)

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Ragwort · 27/01/2012 17:31

I see big red flags too, it sounds a very, very difficult situation and if it is your DS's first serious relationship he may well be totally 'in love' but he could also be overwelmed by the situation and not be able to 'get out of it'. I have a number of young relatives who are, sadly, in very distructive relationships and it is very, very hard to watch as their self esteem gets lower and lower and they are clearly not happy but will not get out of the situation (I am NOT saying that your DS's relationship is like this).

It sounds very odd that they took their meals to their room (in your family house) and just watched TV - surely young people should be out and about getting involved with friends, sports, clubs, activities etc.

If it was my daughter (or my son for that matter) I would be very, very worried but - not really sure what you can do about it. Sad.

izzyisin · 27/01/2012 17:32

I'm seeing a field of red flags.

Presumably you've met her dps? What seems to the dynamic in her family?
How does she relate to/interact with her dps?

AmberLeaf · 27/01/2012 17:32

Exactly what xkittyx said.

Because its your son and not your daughter, you are just an interfering MIL!

Its as though people believe women can never be emotional abusers. unless they are narc mothers in which case they can.

I dont really know what to suggest other than keep lines of communication open with your son and make sure he knows you will always be there.

*I do think he took the P a bit when he was still living with you though!

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 17:34

He does still seem very loved up, and yes, he's probably happy, for now at least. I'll keep my mouth shut, keep up the ordinary conversations, and be there if he needs me in the future. And hope he doesn't.

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IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 17:36

Izzy, her family background is very complicated and I wouldn't want to discuss it too much here. But we haven't met her family yet.

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Thingumy · 27/01/2012 17:37

Nope, nothing to do with MIL's from my perspective.

I do think the OP sounds controlling though.

You son is a adult and wants to marry his girlfriend of 8 years,he obviously has spent more time with his partner and is accepting of any ED issues that she had/has.

Maybe if the OP sits down and has a adult to adult conversation with her son and asks if he is HAPPY instead of thinking of he is being emotionally abused by a drama queen who holds power over him.

He is not a child anymore and is making his own choices.

Leave the door open if anything should go wrong but wish them lots of love for the upcoming wedding.

(Oh and if I thought my MIL thought my illness (depression) wasn't real and I was just being a drama queen,I wouldn't want much to do with her either)

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 17:38

AmberLeaf, they both seriously took the piss while here, but tbh it was easier to let it go than to have a confrontation. And it would have been a confrontation, back then.

Sheese, I thought they were supposed to grow up, leave home, and stop being a worry. Be forwarned, mothers!

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IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 17:40

Interesting that you focus so much on the ED and describe me as controlling, Thingumy.

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Maryz · 27/01/2012 17:40

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IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 17:41

Maryz, absolutely my concern!

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Thingumy · 27/01/2012 17:42

Why is it interesting?

If she has a ed she has a ed and it would effect her life (as well your son's)

You can't decide on who your children fall in love with and neither of you have to like each other.

IfMySonWereMyDaughter · 27/01/2012 17:42

Tbf, we haven't actually asked to meet the family, and I'm rather dreading that.

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AlfStewart · 27/01/2012 17:43

Erm, why are you paying for the wedding of two working adults?

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