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It's all gone wrong again...

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ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:14

Hi there, I could really do with some thoughts and advice here please. Sorry this is long.

Since 1998 I had been a single parent after the father of my 2 children, who were then just about to turn 1 and 2 years, decided to leave. I managed to work through all the shit and come out ok. Earlier this year I met someone who I have known of rather than known since I was a child. Everything seemed to happen very fast, and within months we were talking of marriage and another child together. He has 2 children from his previous marriage which ended 5 years ago.

So we stopped using contraception, and I became pregnant almost instantly. He has moved in with me and my 2 children, his children come to stay every weekend. I am now 3.5 months pregnant. I returned to work part time in September when my youngest started reception. I have felt very sick and tired for the last few months.

We were both very happy about it all, and all the children have been getting on very well, and it has seemed great. I have to admit to feeling very nervous at the start of it all going pear shaped having experienced one disastrous relationship with 2 children involved, but he assured me that he had never loved anyone like this, this must be love, he would do anything to ensure that we made this work.

Now, in the last week I feel as if what I have to do has increased greatly, another adult and 2 more children for part of the week. He has an outside interest that means on average 2 or 3 times a month I have looked after the 4 children either on a weekend afternoon or evening while he has been out. I have collected his children for him when he has been at work, stayed with them at activities when he wanted/needed to go somewhere. I thought I had done everything to fully embrace the new family. I have returned to work and I am pregnant. He has recently qualified in his field, but only works 3 days a week, and this did mean he looked after my girls for 2 days in half term while I was at work, so that was helpful, but on his other days off, he has been doing something for an outside interest of his, and then last night, when I came home with the children at 5pm, he arrived back at the same time, and made a cup of tea and lit the fire and spent the rest of the time sat on the sofa. While I made dinner for everyone, then cleared away and washed up, sorted washing, got my children in the bath and to bed. Then needed to do pack lunches, some ironing and sort out new car insurance. I then pointed out to him that I wasn't very happy, and he said he was willing to do anything, but I had now done it all, so yes I could have asked him to help, but he too could have offered, anyway this is kind of beside the point now! He then did not speak to me for the rest of the night, and slept in a different room, the next morning he left for work without saying goodbye as he normally would, he leaves just before I get up.

Later on he was collecting his 2 children after some after school activities, and then bringing them home, however he text me in the day to say that they were going to see his mum first, and then eventually turned up without them and told me that it was over as we were too different.

He said we had different views on organisation, I am very organised, I find that with school, and after school activities, and now working and shopping and everything you need to be! He complained that I asked him when he would be home so I knew whether I should be making tea for the children on their own earlier or all of us together, and also complained about the specific way I like to hang washing on the line! That was all he said on that subject, and then said sorry.

He then stood there while I tried to talk to him about these differences, and he just didn?t respond, so I asked about our attitudes to managing and spending money, I spend money but try hard not to waste it, having been left to look after 2 young children as a single parent I have really tried to ensure that I have savings and am reasonably financially secure so that I can provide for them. He on the other hand has no savings, and doesn?t actually have to support the day to day lives of his children and activities etc. Now in losing the single parent extra working tax credits, we have a very similar amount of money now for 2 adults and 2 children, and 2 more children for part of each week, as I had before for 1 adult and 2 children, so to me managing money and not wasting it is even more important if we want holidays etc. He previously said that he would leave the finances to me as he just didn?t think like that but totally understood what I was saying. He had also said that it was great that I was so organised as he wasn?t, and with 4 children currently and there will be 5 between us we would need to be organised.

However now it seems that these ?differences? which I thought were just about working out between us how to manage our household in terms of money and organisation, have become far more important that the apparent immense love that he felt for me that would mean we would always work it out and talk about any issues.

Today he has said he is too busy to talk to me, he has not been at work today. I just cannot believe that this has happened, I don't quite understand what has happened really.

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Portofino · 11/11/2011 19:21

What HAS happened though? I am a bit confused. He has been too busy to talk to you?

lemonstartree · 11/11/2011 19:22

has he told you its over ? Where has he gone ? ( I understood you were living together)

ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:23

He's left, he said it was over, sorry perhaps I got that bit lost in the ramble!

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babyhammock · 11/11/2011 19:23

Didn't want to read and run.
Firstly so sorry you're going through this and secondly what a tosser, what a perfect example of a manchild with no inkling of responsibility whatsoever.

I don't know how it will pan out for you, but it honestly sounds like you'd be better off without him x

lemonstartree · 11/11/2011 19:26

If he has left, just like that, no discussion, no compromise, no warning, when you are pregnant with HIS child, he is KNOB of the highest order..

I'm so sorry you have to face this.

When he comes crawling back ( which he will) think VERY carefully about whether you want to go there....

BigKahuna · 11/11/2011 19:26

He sounds like a prick. He storms out on his pregnant partner because you are 'too different'. Immature.

Do you think maybe things just moved too fast between you? Do you really know each other?

I'm sorry this is happening.

Portofino · 11/11/2011 19:27

It all sounds a bit passive agressive to me. Washing on the line/finances done in a certain way. If he is not pulling his weight then you need to discuss what extra tasks he should be taking on. Forgive me if I am wrong, but from your post it sounds like you came home and huffed a bit. Yes he SHOULD have offered, but you could also have said "can you do x, why I do y"

If you have only recently moved in together then you really DO need to sit down and discuss how things are going to work. And I mean "discuss" - not you telling him how you want things done.

Portofino · 11/11/2011 19:27

Sorry - MISSED the update! Blush

ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:34

Portofino, yes you are right, I did huff a bit and yes I could have asked him to help, but I didn't this time. I sure as hell didn't think it would end like this, with no second chance to be able to ask him next time if that would be how it would work best.

We do need to sit down and talk about it, but last night he told he wasn't good at talking about things, and then just stood there. So I asked him things, the alternative would have been to say nothing either which I didn't see was going to get us very far.

He basically said it was over, there was to be no discussion about different ways of how we would deal with these types issues together.

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Charbon · 11/11/2011 19:36

How long has he had this 'outside interest' OP?

ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:39

Several years, he plays in a band, I have seen them play many times.

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Portofino · 11/11/2011 19:41

Ah - I missed the key sentence Blush! It's hard to know what to advise taking one evenings events in isolation. What is he normally like? Does he normally expect you to do everything?? I work FT and have a routine in the evening. I think I am a bit anal about this. DH coming home from work early and offering to cook the dinner would throw me right out..... and I would be forever looking to see how many pans he was using/thinking that in fact I would do it "that" way etc. If you have been in a routine for a long time it is hard to yield "control". So it could be that he is just trying to be inobtrusive and fit in. And has got increasingly unhappy.....whilst you are unhappy that he isn't doing the things you think he should know he should be doing, but didn't actually specify ifyswim.

Or he COULD be a knob.

Charbon · 11/11/2011 19:48

Something has changed though hasn't it? You've described feeling put upon in the last week, so I'm assuming that you haven't said anything beforehand about how much he seems to expect you to do, looking after his children as well as yours. Then it seems the first time you've raised concerns, he has unilaterally ended the relationship and won't discuss it. Despite the fact that you're pregnant.

Usually when this happens OP, it points to there being someone else - not an uncommon event sadly in men whose partners are pregnant. Is that possible?

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Portofino · 11/11/2011 19:49

I remember spectacular arguments with dh (before he was dh) when he moved in with me as he didn't like pans soaking in the sink. And it was my house that I bought and paid for so in my eyes I could do what the feck I liked in MY sink. We nearly split up on more than one occasion over similar washing up issues. We were both in the wrong. I put our marriage success down to the fact we have a dishwasher now.

ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:50

He has generally been really helpful, he cooks dinner and then clears up a few times a week. He doesn't ever do washing, ironing, cleaning, hoovering, but the washing and ironing I would prefer to do myself actually, but he can feel free to hoover whenever he likes.

Yes I have been very used to my routine, and yes I assumed that somewhere along the line we would need to alter this so it is sustainable long term with us both having our jobs or whatever, but it seems that the chance to sort this out hasn't happened. You are right I think he has probably tried to fit in, he did say he had only been unhappy for a few days but that was enough to tell him we were too different!!

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ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:56

I don't really think that there is anyone else, but I could be wrong of course.

My children are 4 and 5, his are 7 and 10.

I am wondering whether the change is that the reponsibility has hit him, when his children were 2 and 5 he and his ex-wife separated, he has spent the last 5 years just seeing them at weekends and being free to do what he wanted in the week. And also not experiencing the constant day to day organisation needed in a house for 5 years, certainly not as a single parent as I have experienced for many years, so maybe my ways do need adjustment but yes that needs discussing.

Portofino, yes we are both in the wrong too about our own ways.

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ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:58

shineon....sorry big mistake they were 1 and 2 in 2008 not 1998, sorry for confusion!

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Jumpyjack · 11/11/2011 20:09

I think he thought he'd found a good thing here. You were going to make his life easier - someone to provide a home for him, do nice things and all the hard work, and also pick up the running around after his kids. But instead you have (quite rightly) expected him to behave as an equal parter in the relationship and pull his weight too. And he has balked at that, because he didn't really want to be a partner, he just wanted you to act like one. I'm so sorry, but from what you have posted this is a man-child looking for an easy life, not a shared life. You sound capable, organised and forward looking. You're better off without him, in my view. I know that's of no comfort, especially when you're pregnant, but I suspect even if he was convinced to change his mind and stay now, he's already shown you his true colours. He's told you what he wants, and he wants you to turn around and promise not to give him a hard time at home, and generally let him come and go as he pleases. Any idea why his first marriage ended? I'd imagine there's a common theme here.

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ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 20:24

I don't know really know why his first marriage ended, he said she was frightening and miserable and grumpy, I have met her and she seems fairly normal on the face of it.

I have had thoughts about this pregnancy, but i am 15 weeks now I think(?) and have had the first scan and just don't think I could bring myself to not continue with it.

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BecauseImWorthIt · 11/11/2011 20:31

Sorry, but it sounds like he has met someone else. He is making excuses to be able to leave.

But he also sounds like a twat.

Portofino · 11/11/2011 20:35

1998 - 2008 is one HELL of a typo Hmm

Portofino · 11/11/2011 20:38

Jumpyjack - from what OP actually posted - he got in made tea and lit the fire. There were issues over him not hanging washing out in the prescribed manner - which means he has been doing that, but not properly in the eyes of the OP. Plus huffing much as she did lots of stuff but without explicitly discussing what he should be doing. Imho, it could go either way - certainly no indication of "manchild".