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It's all gone wrong again...

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ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:14

Hi there, I could really do with some thoughts and advice here please. Sorry this is long.

Since 1998 I had been a single parent after the father of my 2 children, who were then just about to turn 1 and 2 years, decided to leave. I managed to work through all the shit and come out ok. Earlier this year I met someone who I have known of rather than known since I was a child. Everything seemed to happen very fast, and within months we were talking of marriage and another child together. He has 2 children from his previous marriage which ended 5 years ago.

So we stopped using contraception, and I became pregnant almost instantly. He has moved in with me and my 2 children, his children come to stay every weekend. I am now 3.5 months pregnant. I returned to work part time in September when my youngest started reception. I have felt very sick and tired for the last few months.

We were both very happy about it all, and all the children have been getting on very well, and it has seemed great. I have to admit to feeling very nervous at the start of it all going pear shaped having experienced one disastrous relationship with 2 children involved, but he assured me that he had never loved anyone like this, this must be love, he would do anything to ensure that we made this work.

Now, in the last week I feel as if what I have to do has increased greatly, another adult and 2 more children for part of the week. He has an outside interest that means on average 2 or 3 times a month I have looked after the 4 children either on a weekend afternoon or evening while he has been out. I have collected his children for him when he has been at work, stayed with them at activities when he wanted/needed to go somewhere. I thought I had done everything to fully embrace the new family. I have returned to work and I am pregnant. He has recently qualified in his field, but only works 3 days a week, and this did mean he looked after my girls for 2 days in half term while I was at work, so that was helpful, but on his other days off, he has been doing something for an outside interest of his, and then last night, when I came home with the children at 5pm, he arrived back at the same time, and made a cup of tea and lit the fire and spent the rest of the time sat on the sofa. While I made dinner for everyone, then cleared away and washed up, sorted washing, got my children in the bath and to bed. Then needed to do pack lunches, some ironing and sort out new car insurance. I then pointed out to him that I wasn't very happy, and he said he was willing to do anything, but I had now done it all, so yes I could have asked him to help, but he too could have offered, anyway this is kind of beside the point now! He then did not speak to me for the rest of the night, and slept in a different room, the next morning he left for work without saying goodbye as he normally would, he leaves just before I get up.

Later on he was collecting his 2 children after some after school activities, and then bringing them home, however he text me in the day to say that they were going to see his mum first, and then eventually turned up without them and told me that it was over as we were too different.

He said we had different views on organisation, I am very organised, I find that with school, and after school activities, and now working and shopping and everything you need to be! He complained that I asked him when he would be home so I knew whether I should be making tea for the children on their own earlier or all of us together, and also complained about the specific way I like to hang washing on the line! That was all he said on that subject, and then said sorry.

He then stood there while I tried to talk to him about these differences, and he just didn?t respond, so I asked about our attitudes to managing and spending money, I spend money but try hard not to waste it, having been left to look after 2 young children as a single parent I have really tried to ensure that I have savings and am reasonably financially secure so that I can provide for them. He on the other hand has no savings, and doesn?t actually have to support the day to day lives of his children and activities etc. Now in losing the single parent extra working tax credits, we have a very similar amount of money now for 2 adults and 2 children, and 2 more children for part of each week, as I had before for 1 adult and 2 children, so to me managing money and not wasting it is even more important if we want holidays etc. He previously said that he would leave the finances to me as he just didn?t think like that but totally understood what I was saying. He had also said that it was great that I was so organised as he wasn?t, and with 4 children currently and there will be 5 between us we would need to be organised.

However now it seems that these ?differences? which I thought were just about working out between us how to manage our household in terms of money and organisation, have become far more important that the apparent immense love that he felt for me that would mean we would always work it out and talk about any issues.

Today he has said he is too busy to talk to me, he has not been at work today. I just cannot believe that this has happened, I don't quite understand what has happened really.

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ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 12:33

I really don't know, I know exactly what you are saying.

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ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 13:02

Can I ask what anyone else thinks about the trust issue please?

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Xales · 12/11/2011 13:13

This man was happy just to sit on the couch while a pregnant woman ran around doing everything! Yes you could have asked. Why should you have to? He is an adult, unless he was like this with his previous relationships and his mother he must have some idea what needs to be done in an evening yet he decided to sit on the couch doing nothing while a pregnant woman ran around doing everything.

Then it is your fault for not asking him to do something Hmm not his fault for being a lazy sod and sitting on his arse watching a pregnant woman run around doing everything!

You are now 3.5 months pregnant, he is already behaving like a twat and sulking at the first time you get rightly annoyed with him.

You only met him this year, you decided to try for a baby very fast, got pregnant and then he moved in with you and seems to have immediately dumped the responsibility of his children on you too while he goes off and does his own thing.

I don't think you should have him back in your house if he comes back willing to forgive you for your behavior (because I think he is punishing you for being annoyed) until you are very sure it is going to work.

At present your children have had a man move in, his kids invading their life and taking their mum's attention for many weekends while he is off doing his thing and then had a man move back out.

Their life is going to change again when you have this child. Awful as it is I think you need to go back to looking at your life without this man in it for their stability and that of yourself and your unborn baby.

I also am wondering if he has only just qualified who has been paying for his children all this time? If he is only working 3 days a week and has no money who is paying for them now? Then along comes a nice stable woman with somewhere to live, savings and money who he can also dump the looking after of his children on while he goes and does his own thing!

Personally I think he saw the word mug above your head in glowing neon.

If he comes around you should not be the one being responsible for his children while he does his own thing.

Gosh that got long sorry!

BecauseImWorthIt · 12/11/2011 13:16

if he saw MUG on her head he would be staying.

I think he's found a 'better' MUG, to be honest.

Whatever, though, he is messing with your head. Get shot of him asap.

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 13:25

I really don't think there is anyone else.

I think he needs to grow up and understand responsibility as I don't think he has needed to before, does this mean he never can?

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ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 13:26

His ex-wife was happy not to receive maintenance for them for the 2 years he was a student.

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Xales · 12/11/2011 13:30

Sorry OP was not trying to say you are a mug just that he is hoping you are one!

The way he dumps his children on someone he has been living with a few months to go and do his (more important) own stuff says it all to me. Your children are your everything you don't dump them when you only see them at weekends you spend all the precious time with them. You have all the time without them for your own stuff!

I think is he planning to come back and expects the OP to be so grateful that he has that she will get back in to the box as domestic slave/childminder/money provider that he wants her to be.

Perhaps he has found a better mug these men always seem to somehow!

Good luck with your pregnancy and I hope it all works out for the best.

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 13:41

You see I have met many wankers before and nothing pointed to this In him in fact completely the opposite!

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JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 12/11/2011 13:47

If you keep doing everything then he will keep letting you do everything. Childcare, laundry, cooking, cleaning, working FT.

And he does his band stuff, eats, sleeps, showers in your house and contributes... a baby, a lot of extra mess/laundry, no money, not a lot of help and little emotional care toward you by the sound of things.

OP, it sounds like you all moved far too fast and he can talk the talk but not walk the walk. sorry.

Xales · 12/11/2011 13:52

The time to grow up and understand responsibility would have been when his first child was born. He didn't.

He doesn't seem to have done so yet from your posts.

As long as everyone lets him carry on like he is what need has he to do so?

babyhammock · 12/11/2011 14:12

I wouldn't trust him again after this.... also he's not exactly bending over to apologise...quite the opposite.
He won't change. My ex left me numerous times whilst I was pregnant for the most ridiculous non misdemenours,,, and continued after DS was born.... amongst being extremelly abusive. I wish I had told him to fuck the fuck off the first time he left and then tried to come back.

His ex-wife was happy not to receive maintenance for them for the 2 years he was a student. is that what he said?

pollypot · 12/11/2011 14:37

Slow down, back up. If you want to keep going with him, and he says he wants that too, start again with the relationship - too fast the first time round. I went through something like this with xh, I got pregnant when we were engaged, he got cold feet. I kicked him out, he changed his mind, we got married and he started talking about divorce during the honey moon. Worst 4 years of my life. Like you ended up single with 2 DD aged 2 & 3. But now 3 & 1/2 years later I'm still saying YES every morning! I am so happy to be out of it.

You are going to (probably) have the baby anyway, you know what you are doing, you already have a good support network having been single already. Have a different relationship with him, on your terms, sorry but he has blown it anyway in my book. There is no way back from this without some kind of collateral damage.

Chin up chuck and I'm really sorry that he has proved himself to be an unreliable arse. It would be interesting to talk to his ex! Does his Mum think the sun shines out of his bum by any chance?

Men in bands do seem to have a maturity problem in my experience. Probably best to avoid them in the future!

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 14:51

I have spoken to his mum who is really upset, can't apologise enough, and has she totally agrees that this is normal stuff couples deal with not walk away from. She said that she can't help feeling it is her fault, that she must have done something wrong in bringing him up!

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ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 14:54

Jaxteller, up until the last few days, in terms of emotional support he has been pretty, me feeling sick, looking after me in terms of food and drink etc, and seemed to be understanding. It really has just been the last week, there is something that has bothered him recently there must be.

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ChippingInNeedsSleep · 12/11/2011 15:14

His poor Mum :( Obviously she's contributed hugely to how he views life/women/relationships - she's his mother. However, he's now an adult - it's his choice how he behaves.

TP - I'd like to be he's 'had his head turned' by someone new, someone without kids, someone who's not pregnant. Someone who signals 'fun' not 'commitment' :(

However, as I've said before, I just couldn't trust him after this and whilst I might have been up for giving him another chance if it was just me (but I'm not sure?!) there's no way in hell I'd be doing it with 4 kids to consider (the 5th isn't relevant to this because I'm sure he'll fuck up again before you have it to be honest).

What time is he coming over? Where will the kids all be?

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 15:27

Chipping......I didn't quite get the 'had his head turned' part, are you saying that that is what you think has happened? I know I keep saying it but I don't think so.

Thinking about it I am more inclined to think he has just been spooked by the reality of the seriousness and responsibility of it all. I think he thought it would all roses and no effort would be required, because so far it has been like that, but inevitably there comes a time when two people will need to talk and compromise a little, that is what has happened, and now it is not all 'perfect' as it has been, IYSWIM.

He is working with his dad today, as I have now found out he was yesterday, so has now gone from doing nothing much on his days off, to earning money with his dad, which is something I asked him about the other day as he had orginally said that is what would be happening when he was not at work, but it hadn't really happened recently, but suddenly it is! He isn't sure what time he will finish, my children will be here all day, I assume he will leave his children with his mum, that is where they are now, his eldest told me this morning what they were doing today.

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ChippingInNeedsSleep · 12/11/2011 15:36

Ok leaving aside the possibility he's met someone else...

I just could not contemplate allowing him back. I couldn't let him live with my children, developing a stronger relationship with my children. No man that walked into the house and said 'It's over' would be given a second chance to hurt my children - to walk out again like a teenager. They just wouldn't. I couldn't live on egg shells wondering when the next time would be that he'd just unilaterally decide it was over. for no reason other than a few minor niggles that he hadn't even discussed with me. I'd never feel part of a 'couple' with him. I'd never feel we'd be there for each other no matter what. I'd never feel safe/content/happy... but this is about you. How do you feel?

Is there anyone that could have your two so you can talk properly? Either that or I'd say not to come over until they are in bed.

What have you told your kids?

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 15:47

I completely understand what you are saying, and yes the thought that it could happen again is the issue. I feel that I need to understand what has gone on in his head over the last few days to see whether I could feel comfortable again, but he seemed so reluctant to talk the other day.

He had been so adamant, even in the very early days when I stepped back a few times, as I wanted to feel sure that this was right, before we took it any further, and he was certain that we would sort issues if they arose, as we both really wanted this to really work forever, and as you say would be there for each other no matter what, I truely believed him, I just don't get it.

I have told my children that they have stayed at his mum's as she hadn't seen her grandchildren for a while, they have been on holiday with their mum, so this is true. It has only been 2 nights that he and they have not been here. My eldest asked his youngest this morning at their activities, when they were coming to stay again, the response was 'I don't know'.

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ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 15:49

Oh and it's my birthday tomorrow, me and him are meant to be going to see a band play and stay in a hotel for the night!

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ChippingInNeedsSleep · 12/11/2011 16:04

Take a friend instead.

To me, actions speak much louder than words.

He had all the patter, but when it came down to it, it was all talk. He just walked out on you. He didn't talk it though. He walked out saying 'it's over'.

It doesn't matter what he said he'd do - when it came to it, he didn't do it.

I've been through a fair bit of crap, I've forgiven all kinds of things. I guess that has made me harder & wiser than I once was. At one time it would have mattered why he did it, now it wouldn't. I'll take actions over words any day. He walked out. He didn't talk the problem through, he didn't care how it would impact you or your children - he just walked out and said 'It's over'. What he said/says means jack shit to be honest.

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 16:11

Oh I see....... I seem to be prepared to not be so quite so final about it!

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rightchoice · 12/11/2011 16:13

Hi Thoughts! Sorry you are struggling more today. You definately need answers but when and if they come from him they could be vague. He may just have cold feet. It may be a case of him wanting a family life when he didn't have one, but when he's got one he doesn't like the reality and hard work that goes with it. Think about, it it was lovely whilst in the honeymoon stage. Reality kicks in, you know, real life stuff like work and washing etc and he does't just wobble he topples. The most worrying thing is the suddenness, lack of communication and andonment. I'ts like he said, nothing to do with me, I'm off, oh and by the way I don't care how you feel about it either. In spite of everything he knows you went through before, in spite of everything he claimed he would do when you hit a hurdle he just bolted. Where has he run to, mummy and daddy. Who has his DC's mummy, who's paying him daddy. He needs to learn to stand on his own two feet, and act responsibly. Where's his pide? Chin up, you will get past this horrible feeling you have today. x

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 12/11/2011 16:28

TP - you don't have to be so final if you don't want to be

This is your life, this is your relationship - you have to do what you think is best after you have spoken to him, he may not even want to come back.

All I'm saying is that I've learnt the hard way that actions speak louder than words and I hope that if I'm ever in a situation similar to yours that I remember that and that I'm not so easily taken in again by more words.

I hope that makes sense... and doesn't feel too harsh.

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 12/11/2011 16:43

Why do we do it? Why do we turn ourselves inside out trying to understand what's going on in their heads? And what are they up to after visiting such grief and fear and worry on us?

In his case, he's returned to his ma&pa sinecure where he'll be lolling on the sofa after working with his pa, while his ma knocks herself out cooking, cleaning, washing, and looking after his dc.

His ma's been through it with him before during the course his relatonship with the mother of his dc, but it seems that whatever she may have said to him has fallen on deaf ears because here he is again - running away from his responsibilities true to form.

Will he be shedding any tears for you? I very much doubt it because this man is primarily into self-gratification and the needs of others, sadly including yourself, mean very little to him.

Dry your tears, honey, and don't let him see them because if he thinks that his little stunt is all it takes to reduce you to a malleable mass of easily manipulated emotions, he'll do it again whenever things aren't going his way.

When you see him, invite him to speak first before putting him through some rigorous questioning as to what the fuck he thinks he's playing at by deceiving you with promises and lies, and and make it clear that he doesn't get back into your home until he has shown that he can shape up without shipping out whenever it suits him.

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 12/11/2011 17:50

OP, its not like he is 'new' to all this relationship stuff. He isnt some naive 18 yr old. He has been married before with 2 children. The more you make excuses for his behaviour the more you are not accepting how shitty he has been to you.

I agree that you should let him speak first, hear what he has to say and go from there.

Good luck.

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