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It's all gone wrong again...

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ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:14

Hi there, I could really do with some thoughts and advice here please. Sorry this is long.

Since 1998 I had been a single parent after the father of my 2 children, who were then just about to turn 1 and 2 years, decided to leave. I managed to work through all the shit and come out ok. Earlier this year I met someone who I have known of rather than known since I was a child. Everything seemed to happen very fast, and within months we were talking of marriage and another child together. He has 2 children from his previous marriage which ended 5 years ago.

So we stopped using contraception, and I became pregnant almost instantly. He has moved in with me and my 2 children, his children come to stay every weekend. I am now 3.5 months pregnant. I returned to work part time in September when my youngest started reception. I have felt very sick and tired for the last few months.

We were both very happy about it all, and all the children have been getting on very well, and it has seemed great. I have to admit to feeling very nervous at the start of it all going pear shaped having experienced one disastrous relationship with 2 children involved, but he assured me that he had never loved anyone like this, this must be love, he would do anything to ensure that we made this work.

Now, in the last week I feel as if what I have to do has increased greatly, another adult and 2 more children for part of the week. He has an outside interest that means on average 2 or 3 times a month I have looked after the 4 children either on a weekend afternoon or evening while he has been out. I have collected his children for him when he has been at work, stayed with them at activities when he wanted/needed to go somewhere. I thought I had done everything to fully embrace the new family. I have returned to work and I am pregnant. He has recently qualified in his field, but only works 3 days a week, and this did mean he looked after my girls for 2 days in half term while I was at work, so that was helpful, but on his other days off, he has been doing something for an outside interest of his, and then last night, when I came home with the children at 5pm, he arrived back at the same time, and made a cup of tea and lit the fire and spent the rest of the time sat on the sofa. While I made dinner for everyone, then cleared away and washed up, sorted washing, got my children in the bath and to bed. Then needed to do pack lunches, some ironing and sort out new car insurance. I then pointed out to him that I wasn't very happy, and he said he was willing to do anything, but I had now done it all, so yes I could have asked him to help, but he too could have offered, anyway this is kind of beside the point now! He then did not speak to me for the rest of the night, and slept in a different room, the next morning he left for work without saying goodbye as he normally would, he leaves just before I get up.

Later on he was collecting his 2 children after some after school activities, and then bringing them home, however he text me in the day to say that they were going to see his mum first, and then eventually turned up without them and told me that it was over as we were too different.

He said we had different views on organisation, I am very organised, I find that with school, and after school activities, and now working and shopping and everything you need to be! He complained that I asked him when he would be home so I knew whether I should be making tea for the children on their own earlier or all of us together, and also complained about the specific way I like to hang washing on the line! That was all he said on that subject, and then said sorry.

He then stood there while I tried to talk to him about these differences, and he just didn?t respond, so I asked about our attitudes to managing and spending money, I spend money but try hard not to waste it, having been left to look after 2 young children as a single parent I have really tried to ensure that I have savings and am reasonably financially secure so that I can provide for them. He on the other hand has no savings, and doesn?t actually have to support the day to day lives of his children and activities etc. Now in losing the single parent extra working tax credits, we have a very similar amount of money now for 2 adults and 2 children, and 2 more children for part of each week, as I had before for 1 adult and 2 children, so to me managing money and not wasting it is even more important if we want holidays etc. He previously said that he would leave the finances to me as he just didn?t think like that but totally understood what I was saying. He had also said that it was great that I was so organised as he wasn?t, and with 4 children currently and there will be 5 between us we would need to be organised.

However now it seems that these ?differences? which I thought were just about working out between us how to manage our household in terms of money and organisation, have become far more important that the apparent immense love that he felt for me that would mean we would always work it out and talk about any issues.

Today he has said he is too busy to talk to me, he has not been at work today. I just cannot believe that this has happened, I don't quite understand what has happened really.

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izzywhizzyspecanpie · 12/11/2011 19:14

I don't want to run yet another government agency that isn't fit for purpose, Chipping but I'll happily volunteer to run the CSA's 'capping department'.

All I'll need is some rusty outdated NHS equipment and a burly assistant or 2 to strap the fuckers clients down. Needless to say, I won't be wasting taxpayers' money on anaesthetic Grin

ballstoit · 12/11/2011 19:15

TP - just come across this and wanted to send you a big hug and even bigger bar of chocolate.

I've brought 3 DC up alone for the last 2 and a half years, since I was 8 mnths PG with DD2. It's been hard work, but I feel that this year I've started to see the light at the end of the tunnel...you can do this, with or without help from numpty pants.

Surround yourself with people who will help and support you, both in RL and on here. Everyone makes mistakes, not everyone is lucky enough to get 3 lovely children as a result.

Pop X-Factor on tonight and enjoy watching the lovely Dermot. There'll be lots of ups and downs to come but looking after yourself needs to be your top priority from now on. You can't look after anyone else unless you do.

Xales · 12/11/2011 19:16

I am an applicant to play with leather strap them down.

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 19:24

thanks ballstoit.....from about summer 2010 I had really felt that I had got everything organised and sorted, and had come out of all the mess of 2 years previously. The girls were older and it seemed that it had become much easier than a 1 and 2 year old on my own. I am scared of a new baby, and a 5 and 6 year old, and whether I can cope alone with school runs activities etc.

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QuintessentialShadow · 12/11/2011 19:39

I am sorry but, and this is not helpful, why on earth did you decide to make babies with a man you had only known a few months, and then start ttc, without having lived together all of you as a family!!?

This is what happens when you rush things.

And this is why the world is full of children who lives with their mum and have numerous fathers between them.

When will women learn to think with their brains and not their ovaries....

ballstoit · 12/11/2011 19:42

Hindsight is of course a wonderful thing....

as is being able to judge the mistakes of others safe in the knowledge we've never made any of our own Hmm

Jux · 12/11/2011 19:43

I think you're well out of it, tbh. I really do. Sorry though.

QuintessentialShadow · 12/11/2011 19:46

Well, it is a pretty major "mistake" to deliberately make a baby "on a whim" with a pretty new romance.

ballstoit · 12/11/2011 19:46

TP - you'll manage, of course you will. I'd be lying if I said it's going to be easy, but the baby won't be a baby forever and you accept whatever help is on offer. Numpty's Mum sounds like she'll be an ally, you've got your sister, friends and I'm sure your Mum will come round.

Take one day at a time for now...have a yummy dinner tomorrow, slob around in your pjs for as much of the day as you want and then you'll have got through the weekend without him.

QuintessentialShadow · 12/11/2011 19:47

I think you should just move on and chalk it up to experience.

ballstoit · 12/11/2011 19:47

Maybe it is...but as I'm sure you're aware, the time machine is yet to be invented which means your comments are neither constructive or helpful.

QuintessentialShadow · 12/11/2011 19:48

I did not say they were! But the only thing the op can get from this is a "lesson learnt" certificate and be happy to be shot of him really easily! He sounds a total dick.

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 12/11/2011 19:55

I had really felt that I had got everything organised and sorted, and had come out of all the mess of 2 years previously

This is a trap that many fall into. After we've gone through the trauma of a broken relationship it takes time to get ourselves and our lives together again.

Once we've reached the plateau of relative contentment, after what may have been a prolonged period of misery, we can become complacent - reassuring ourselves with the thought of what we've achieved all by ourselves, and believing that we're highly unlikely to make the same mistake again.

The devil takes many forms and sometimes he appears to be the antithesis of the arsehole that fucked us over before. Of course, we tell ourselves that our previous experience has got us to a point where we're 'nobody's fool' and... bang... before we know it, we're learning the hard way that pride goes before a fall.

Unfortunately, TP, your lesson has a hefty price tag attached, but it has ever been the way of the world that experience can be expensive.

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 19:56

Thanks for your input Quint, I feel so much better now!

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ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 20:01

Makes a lot of sense what you said izzy.......and I keep remembering all the stuff we said at the start and until this week and how has this happened, and then trying to almost pinch myself to say 'this is not what he is saying now, so it's irrelevant'.

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izzywhizzyspecanpie · 12/11/2011 20:16

One thing's clear. He's a consumate actor.

For all that he's allegedly been wrestling with his conscience, working himself up to break the news for days/weeks, you didn't have a clue.

He played you, honey, and you fell for it - and that's what really hurts.

pinkytheshrunkenhead · 12/11/2011 20:16

Oh love I am so so sorry for you and your dcs. What a fucking stupid cunt he is for not thinking it through and dragging you into this situation. You will manage of course, you have before but I know it is scary - the thought of it is certainly worse when you are newly pregnant and emotional. Give your sister a call, get her round, have a moan and a cuppa and a cuddle with her.

Please remember this is not a reflection on you, having faith in someone is not a character flaw, it is wonderful that you could make the leap of faith into having another loving relationship. You have just been sold a dud that's all, not your fault and completely his for deceiving himself and you.

I really feel for you sweetheart, do take care of yourself x

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 20:32

Thanks pinky, yes I think I know I can do it, I have to!

It's the fact of our unborn child that just seems to be tearing me apart. The thought of a termination at 15 weeks though just seems to tear me apart even more, and it would happen much later than that anyway. I think I would end up resentful of him leaving me and then feeling I had to get rid of a baby, I think it would eat me up forever, I think I prefer the option of having the baby alone.

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ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 20:51

Does anyone know how contact with the father works with an exclusively breastfed baby? I guess I better go back to the lone parents board to ask that one!

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izzywhizzyspecanpie · 12/11/2011 21:05

I think you should think long and hard about the situation you've unexpectedly found yourself in.

Women have fought long and hard for the right to choose and I have no moral scruple about abortion.

You have 2 small dc and it may be expedient to put sentiment aside in order to do what is in the best interests of yourself and your dc in the longer term.

I see no reason why a termination cannot be performed quickly, possibly at the end of next week through the auspices of an organisation such as Marie Stopes.

Now that he's delivered his whammy and left you high and dry, he is required to spell out exactly what support he is prepared to offer in either eventuality.

If your choice is to opt for a private termination, I see no reason why he shouldn't be required to go into hock with his dps to provide the necessary funds.

QuintessentialShadow · 12/11/2011 21:08

I second what Izzy is saying.

This is a decision which is going to affect your other two children for years to come. It should be given serious thought, in the same way as moving a man into their home, and starting a family should have prompted.

poppycat04 · 12/11/2011 21:08

Just read your thread and wanted to send you a hug and all my support. This man is a complete arsehole basically. I'm sure karma will catch up with him soon.

You sound so strong and sorted.. Your kids are so lucky to have you as their mum. For what it's worth, I have 3 DCs, similar ages and have done it pretty much alone over the last year and it's perfectly possibly. Your two are big and sensible now, you can talk to them and they can help out with the baby. Plus you'll be on mat leave. It's possible, hard work but I'm sure you'll be absolutely fine in the end.

He, however, will at some point have to explain to his three kids how he abandoned their mums... AngryAngry

poppycat04 · 12/11/2011 21:12

Getting over being dumped by an arsewipe is one thing.
Getting over a late abortion of a much wanted baby is another thing completely.

poppycat04 · 12/11/2011 21:15

Plus the OP wasn't depending on him for anything, not financially, just cheap talk by the sound of it..
He sounds like a complete and utter waste of space.

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 21:18

Thanks izzy and Quint, but I just don't think I can do it.

I actually think in the longer term it would be ok, it is the short term I am more concerned about, my girls are so excited about the baby.

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