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It's all gone wrong again...

340 replies

ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:14

Hi there, I could really do with some thoughts and advice here please. Sorry this is long.

Since 1998 I had been a single parent after the father of my 2 children, who were then just about to turn 1 and 2 years, decided to leave. I managed to work through all the shit and come out ok. Earlier this year I met someone who I have known of rather than known since I was a child. Everything seemed to happen very fast, and within months we were talking of marriage and another child together. He has 2 children from his previous marriage which ended 5 years ago.

So we stopped using contraception, and I became pregnant almost instantly. He has moved in with me and my 2 children, his children come to stay every weekend. I am now 3.5 months pregnant. I returned to work part time in September when my youngest started reception. I have felt very sick and tired for the last few months.

We were both very happy about it all, and all the children have been getting on very well, and it has seemed great. I have to admit to feeling very nervous at the start of it all going pear shaped having experienced one disastrous relationship with 2 children involved, but he assured me that he had never loved anyone like this, this must be love, he would do anything to ensure that we made this work.

Now, in the last week I feel as if what I have to do has increased greatly, another adult and 2 more children for part of the week. He has an outside interest that means on average 2 or 3 times a month I have looked after the 4 children either on a weekend afternoon or evening while he has been out. I have collected his children for him when he has been at work, stayed with them at activities when he wanted/needed to go somewhere. I thought I had done everything to fully embrace the new family. I have returned to work and I am pregnant. He has recently qualified in his field, but only works 3 days a week, and this did mean he looked after my girls for 2 days in half term while I was at work, so that was helpful, but on his other days off, he has been doing something for an outside interest of his, and then last night, when I came home with the children at 5pm, he arrived back at the same time, and made a cup of tea and lit the fire and spent the rest of the time sat on the sofa. While I made dinner for everyone, then cleared away and washed up, sorted washing, got my children in the bath and to bed. Then needed to do pack lunches, some ironing and sort out new car insurance. I then pointed out to him that I wasn't very happy, and he said he was willing to do anything, but I had now done it all, so yes I could have asked him to help, but he too could have offered, anyway this is kind of beside the point now! He then did not speak to me for the rest of the night, and slept in a different room, the next morning he left for work without saying goodbye as he normally would, he leaves just before I get up.

Later on he was collecting his 2 children after some after school activities, and then bringing them home, however he text me in the day to say that they were going to see his mum first, and then eventually turned up without them and told me that it was over as we were too different.

He said we had different views on organisation, I am very organised, I find that with school, and after school activities, and now working and shopping and everything you need to be! He complained that I asked him when he would be home so I knew whether I should be making tea for the children on their own earlier or all of us together, and also complained about the specific way I like to hang washing on the line! That was all he said on that subject, and then said sorry.

He then stood there while I tried to talk to him about these differences, and he just didn?t respond, so I asked about our attitudes to managing and spending money, I spend money but try hard not to waste it, having been left to look after 2 young children as a single parent I have really tried to ensure that I have savings and am reasonably financially secure so that I can provide for them. He on the other hand has no savings, and doesn?t actually have to support the day to day lives of his children and activities etc. Now in losing the single parent extra working tax credits, we have a very similar amount of money now for 2 adults and 2 children, and 2 more children for part of each week, as I had before for 1 adult and 2 children, so to me managing money and not wasting it is even more important if we want holidays etc. He previously said that he would leave the finances to me as he just didn?t think like that but totally understood what I was saying. He had also said that it was great that I was so organised as he wasn?t, and with 4 children currently and there will be 5 between us we would need to be organised.

However now it seems that these ?differences? which I thought were just about working out between us how to manage our household in terms of money and organisation, have become far more important that the apparent immense love that he felt for me that would mean we would always work it out and talk about any issues.

Today he has said he is too busy to talk to me, he has not been at work today. I just cannot believe that this has happened, I don't quite understand what has happened really.

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ChippingInNeedsSleep · 17/11/2011 02:26

TP

He said he didn't love you
He said he's been trying to convince himself for months that he meant what he said

He said you could trust him Hmm
He said he would talk through any problems Hmm

He said 'what about the baby?'
He said 'do what you like it's nothing to do with me' (with the baby - terminate or not)

He walked out on you
He walked out on your children
He walked out on the life his children had at yours
He walked out on his unborn child

He walked out on all of that then told you he was too busy to discuss it

He didn't work when he could have

He sponged off of you while 'studying'

He walked away as soon as he started earning money and it became apparent that you expected him to contribute

He hasn't paid his ex for his kids with her

He's a shit Dad to the kids he already has

He blamed you for this, for believing his lies

(This is just off the top of my head as it's 2.30 in the morning and I should be asleep so I haven't the energy to go through all of your posts and pick up all the points.)

This is not a man who is just having a few wobbles at the thought of commiting to a relationship (bit fecking late now he's got you pregnant anyway, but still). This is Peter Pan - he's never going to fucking grow up!

You would be absolutely, positively insane to take him back - sorry, but you would.

Portofino · 17/11/2011 08:21

. Sorry TP - but I totally agree with that post, painful as it must be for you to read it. And I was prepared to go easy on him at the beginning of this thread.....

AbbyAbsinthe · 17/11/2011 13:00

Yes, I agree 100% with Chipping. It's hard to hear, OP, but it's true.

ThoughtsPlease · 18/11/2011 19:18

I feel really upset again, his children arrived with his dad's wife at their activities tonight, he was scheduled to work today so I guess she collected them from school.

In the car on the way home, I started crying, and my children said is it 'his name' are you upset that he doesn't like you anymore! My youngest then said I should call the police and have him put in jail if he has upset me, my eldest then said no he is 'his 2 children's names' daddy you can't do that.

His dad's wife said hello to me across the room really, and then looking concerned just mouthed 'are you ok' I just said not really, I didn't know what else to say.

I feel bad.

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AbbyAbsinthe · 18/11/2011 19:24

FUCK HIM OFF THEN!!

ThoughtsPlease · 18/11/2011 19:41

It's not that easy though is it?

It certainly doesn't feel easy.

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Xroads · 18/11/2011 19:50

Hi, I havent read the entire thread I'm sorry but I wanted to say 2 things really.

1 - go to counselling if you can, I was a single parent who had been abused by my ex, my trust was non exsistant and I wouldnt let DH help and we went to counselling and it really really helped us.

2 - You have been a single parents before and you can do it again if you have to, when I got pregnant with my 2nd child (after being abused by dd1's dad and then the next bf I had) I seriously considered before getting pregnant IF i could cope on my own IF I had to and I decided I wanted a baby and would cope on my own if it came to it, I hoped I wouldn't have to obviously but who can say how life will turn out? There are no guarantees in life, as people sometimes say you could get hit by a bus, well so could your other half so always be prepared to cope alone imo. (sad but true)

I hope he isn't a class A prick and her comes grovelling etc but if he doesnt well screw him you will survive and be better and stronger for it because YOU will have your 3 lovely beautiful children and he will end up bitter and twisted on his own!

AbbyAbsinthe · 18/11/2011 20:33

Of course it's not easy! It's bloody hard! But do you
want to carry on living like this, or do something about it?

AbbyAbsinthe · 18/11/2011 20:35

What I mean is, OP - you're not listening. You were waiting in hope to see him and you think he's going to 'see sense' - what he's done to you makes him a class A prick - why would you want someone like that around?

rightchoice · 19/11/2011 00:13

Are you alright, what a question, not really you say - of course not really. You have the next I don't know how many months to cope before new DC is born. You have to carry on the day to day stuff with your DC.s. You have to see his rellies and friends and the other mums at DC's activities. You have been abandoned by someone you loved and trusted, bastard that he was. You are still amazing in my eyes that you can say NOT REALLY. Isn't it interesting that he is getting other people to look after his DC. The are all mugs, he gets them all on the run around for hime, they facilitate him.

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 19/11/2011 00:37

What were you hoping for? That he'd be dropping his dc off tonight and he'd be overcome at the sight of you and be on his knees begging forgiveness?

I wrote this on Wednesday: He's not going to see your gradually swelling belly and be filled with remorse because he doesn't 'do remorse', and because he's going to be too busy avoiding you.

That's exactly what's he's done tonight, isn't it? And that's what he's going to be doing in the future.

I know it's hard but please try to not to involve your little dds in what are essentially 'adult' matters. It can only distress them to see you in tears and, one way or another, they've already had enough upset over this selfish twunt.

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 19/11/2011 01:22

It's not that easy though is it?

It is 'that easy' if you want it to be. All you have to do is see him as he really is rather than what you wanted to believe he was, or thought he was.

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 19/11/2011 07:29

TP you have to take those rose tinted glasses off regarding the Ex. He has royally fucked you over and then merrily got on with HIS life.

Obviously he has told his ExW what has gone on - or rather his version of it.

Please get RL help, whether that is relying on friends, relatives or some counselling. If I were you I would go to the Dr and ask for some help regarding this. I am sure they will do all they can to help you.

It isnt easy, you have had a shock - but you need to look toward what is happening with your DC and you now, not wallowing in the past which is not going to be a happy ending. Im sorry to say that. You need to get angry at him.

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 21/11/2011 21:34

how was the rest of your weekend TP?

ThoughtsPlease · 24/11/2011 23:14

Well having not contacted him for over a week, and he didn't contact me either, I stupidly relented started texting him, and lo and behold no he's not had a rethink, and all he has to say is that he wants to be on his own to do what he wants, it's easier that way.

I am now starting to get angry, but don't want to go too far, he started talking to me on facebook tonight, having sent me a friend request again, after blocking me last week! I have told him to take the bunk beds from the room that they are now not needed in, as I am not in a position to start moving beds from room to room, but he says no he wants the newer ones. I ended up ranting about what a shit he is and really should grow up, he is 37 and still has to get his mum and dad to pay thousands of pounds for him as he has no money etc etc. He just ended up saying keep the bunk beds then I don't care, and saying good night then with a x. So I said your stuff will be outside then and just to confirm you do not want any bunk beds, he did not respond. I do not want him coming back in the future claiming some bunk beds and havong some hassle. But I am not having him telling me how it is!

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ThoughtsPlease · 24/11/2011 23:17

Last Sunday he even went to the lengths of not taking his children to an event linked to their activities to avoid seeing me, something that I knew they were going to a week before as we had arranged it all together that all 4 children would go. He is a coward.

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Doha · 24/11/2011 23:26

Now it's your turn to block him from FB,
Don't engage in any form of comunication with him at present apart from an email now confirming that his stuff will be outside on * date for collection and also confirming that you accept that he no longer wants the bunk beds and he is not to try back tacking about them in the future.

He is a coward

ThoughtsPlease · 24/11/2011 23:34

Now that's a good idea about facebook, you're right!

For me now the hardest thing seems to be that after my 2 children's father left 3.5 years ago I had wondered whether I would really ever find anyone else. Now in 5 months time I will be a mother to 3 children with 2 different fathers, I'm hardly going to be much of a catch am I!

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mycherubs · 25/11/2011 13:33

i really feel for you, the man is foolish but then it would be foolish of you from now on to expect anything at all from this man. i know how hard it is - why is it us women who always get the shitty end of the stick ???? stay strong, i can understand why you say - what a catch - i think anyone who separates with children thinks - who is going to take on me and my kids - but you got to have some hope otherwise lifes just not worth living. for now just put all your energies into eating well, resting (if that is all positive) and thinking positively about yourself - all easier said than done!!! i know!! but thats what you should do. being emotional creatures sometimes we dont do things that are in our best interests. i hope you find the strength to make some good decisions day to day, take care there x

PosiesOfPoinsettia · 25/11/2011 13:50

Perhaps I am reading a different thread. He is lazy, you're like a 50's couple, he doesn't take criticism. Likes the idea of you being pregnant but doesn't act like a father. Op expect more from men and you might just get it. Are you from the same culture/background?

PosiesOfPoinsettia · 25/11/2011 14:00

Not blaming you at all, but you're worth more than this prick.

rightchoice · 25/11/2011 22:46

Hello, sounds like you are begining to stand up to this selfish, double-talking taker. Before you worry about whether you will meet another man, try to find another way to live which is fulfilling. Once the baby is here and you are shot of this guy for good you can get your smile back, re-gain your confidence and enjoy your family and job again. You must know know that thses things come before a pipe dream - you don't want a third waster on your hands, so when the time comes don't rush and choose wisely, please!!!

ThoughtsPlease · 25/11/2011 23:41

Thanks rightchoice, yes I most certainly am not in a rush, I certainly wasn't in a rush to meet someone this time, I waited 3 years and then he came along, but yes once he did I guess it was rushed and I obviously chose badly! But hey I will have another gorgeous child just like my other 2 Smile

Funnily enough he now seems to have gone off the idea of collecting his stuff, I think i may put it all out in a shed, he hates spiders and would go nuts if he knew it was in a shed!

And again tonight he did not take his children to their activities I suppose in case he saw me! Loser!

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Doha · 26/11/2011 11:29

Coward...

Yes you will have a lovely 3rd child who will get all the love it needs from it's brilliant mum and siblings.

No more contact now, he has lost that right to be involved in your life and when the new baby arrives you can decide how much involvment he has if any.
Meantime look forward, not back. The past cannot be undone but you are responsible for your future and it will be a good one.

rightchoice · 27/11/2011 21:03

I think your idea of putting his stuff in the shed is quite funny!! I am laughing that he hates spiders too, big wimp that he is. I am sure some of us could come up with a few spider tricks if we put our minds to it. Seriously I hope you are not so raw today as you were last week. Just think your time is now your own, he can't hurt you any more than he has and you have come through that. You have your held held high and he can just get lost in his own self spun web of deceipt.