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It's all gone wrong again...

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ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:14

Hi there, I could really do with some thoughts and advice here please. Sorry this is long.

Since 1998 I had been a single parent after the father of my 2 children, who were then just about to turn 1 and 2 years, decided to leave. I managed to work through all the shit and come out ok. Earlier this year I met someone who I have known of rather than known since I was a child. Everything seemed to happen very fast, and within months we were talking of marriage and another child together. He has 2 children from his previous marriage which ended 5 years ago.

So we stopped using contraception, and I became pregnant almost instantly. He has moved in with me and my 2 children, his children come to stay every weekend. I am now 3.5 months pregnant. I returned to work part time in September when my youngest started reception. I have felt very sick and tired for the last few months.

We were both very happy about it all, and all the children have been getting on very well, and it has seemed great. I have to admit to feeling very nervous at the start of it all going pear shaped having experienced one disastrous relationship with 2 children involved, but he assured me that he had never loved anyone like this, this must be love, he would do anything to ensure that we made this work.

Now, in the last week I feel as if what I have to do has increased greatly, another adult and 2 more children for part of the week. He has an outside interest that means on average 2 or 3 times a month I have looked after the 4 children either on a weekend afternoon or evening while he has been out. I have collected his children for him when he has been at work, stayed with them at activities when he wanted/needed to go somewhere. I thought I had done everything to fully embrace the new family. I have returned to work and I am pregnant. He has recently qualified in his field, but only works 3 days a week, and this did mean he looked after my girls for 2 days in half term while I was at work, so that was helpful, but on his other days off, he has been doing something for an outside interest of his, and then last night, when I came home with the children at 5pm, he arrived back at the same time, and made a cup of tea and lit the fire and spent the rest of the time sat on the sofa. While I made dinner for everyone, then cleared away and washed up, sorted washing, got my children in the bath and to bed. Then needed to do pack lunches, some ironing and sort out new car insurance. I then pointed out to him that I wasn't very happy, and he said he was willing to do anything, but I had now done it all, so yes I could have asked him to help, but he too could have offered, anyway this is kind of beside the point now! He then did not speak to me for the rest of the night, and slept in a different room, the next morning he left for work without saying goodbye as he normally would, he leaves just before I get up.

Later on he was collecting his 2 children after some after school activities, and then bringing them home, however he text me in the day to say that they were going to see his mum first, and then eventually turned up without them and told me that it was over as we were too different.

He said we had different views on organisation, I am very organised, I find that with school, and after school activities, and now working and shopping and everything you need to be! He complained that I asked him when he would be home so I knew whether I should be making tea for the children on their own earlier or all of us together, and also complained about the specific way I like to hang washing on the line! That was all he said on that subject, and then said sorry.

He then stood there while I tried to talk to him about these differences, and he just didn?t respond, so I asked about our attitudes to managing and spending money, I spend money but try hard not to waste it, having been left to look after 2 young children as a single parent I have really tried to ensure that I have savings and am reasonably financially secure so that I can provide for them. He on the other hand has no savings, and doesn?t actually have to support the day to day lives of his children and activities etc. Now in losing the single parent extra working tax credits, we have a very similar amount of money now for 2 adults and 2 children, and 2 more children for part of each week, as I had before for 1 adult and 2 children, so to me managing money and not wasting it is even more important if we want holidays etc. He previously said that he would leave the finances to me as he just didn?t think like that but totally understood what I was saying. He had also said that it was great that I was so organised as he wasn?t, and with 4 children currently and there will be 5 between us we would need to be organised.

However now it seems that these ?differences? which I thought were just about working out between us how to manage our household in terms of money and organisation, have become far more important that the apparent immense love that he felt for me that would mean we would always work it out and talk about any issues.

Today he has said he is too busy to talk to me, he has not been at work today. I just cannot believe that this has happened, I don't quite understand what has happened really.

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pollypot · 12/11/2011 18:05

Honey the one thing I would have sworn is that my ex was faithful. It turned out that pretty much from the day he asked my to abort, which just happened to be at 13 weeks the day after I told my boss to ask for maternity leave (who emailed our 200 colleagues with the happy news) he went back to his ex. I didn't guess, and he only told me two days after our divorce.

You can NEVER be sure about fidelity. Your man boy said he wouldn't do all the stuff he is currently doing. The only up side is he is doing this now and not any further down the line, but seriously there is no way he can put a good light on this behaviour.

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 18:09

Well.........

He arrived and gave me a hug, and eventually after some tears falling down his cheeks, said he was really really sorry, it wasn't that he didn't want our baby, but he didn't want this, as in the whole family thing. He said he didn't really understand why he felt like this. He then said he loved me but wasn't in love with me. He said he had been trying to convince himself that he meant what he said repeatedly over the course of the months, so that is why he kept saying it until a few days ago(?!) off his own back so much that he loved me so much, I was fantastic etc etc. He then said that perhaps I was right when I said the other day that he just wants to do what he wants when he wants.

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Xales · 12/11/2011 18:14

Aw honey I am so sorry for you. At least you know and you can get over this and move on.

You sound like an amazing generous giving person.

Concentrate on yourself, your DC and the little one growing side you. Give yourself time to grieve, be angry whatever you need to be.

/hugs

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 12/11/2011 18:15

Great. How very perceptive of him and what impeccable timing.

Of course he's only repeating the performance he gave when he left his wife and dc.

Loves to do the dirty on women, doesn't he?

Is he still feeling the impression of your boot up his arse when you sent him into orbit around Planet Offufuck?

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 18:16

Oh God I feel so fucking shit!

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pollypot · 12/11/2011 18:20

Honey don't fell shit, feel proud. This is absolutely not about you, this is about his shortcomings as a human being. And trust me payback will be coming to him in every imaginable form. His kids will not forgive him either. ARSE. Please please try not to be sad, he has shown his true colours before you are even deeper in, and it only gets worse the later they show. You know you can do this. OK so you are pregnant and tired and sad, but you should be so proud of the example you are giving to your kids.

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 18:22

I didn't do that izzy, I acted like some stupid woman saying I didn't understand why he would say all that repeatedly and thought that actually he had meant it but now is scared. What a fucking idiot I am, I said don't do this to our growing family in some desperate way! He then said he didn't expect me to understand!

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AbbyAbsinthe · 12/11/2011 18:24

What a cunt.

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 18:26

Abby....you made laugh while crying! Smile

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BarnMummy · 12/11/2011 18:27

I really feel for you - have seen a friend go through her DH saying "I can't handle the whole family thing, so I'm just going to run away". It's so rubbish.

He is saying that he just wants to do what he wants when he wants. Yeah, don't we all, but some of us learn to grow up and deal with our responsibilities (as my friend's DH did eventually do) - and your (x)P has a responsibility at the very least to your unborn child, setting aside his responsibility to you and the kids.

I guess you need to decide whether you think it is worth trying to get him to face his responsibilities in some way - we know you are strong and capable of going it alone, but only you know if that's how you want to play it.

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 12/11/2011 18:28

wow! what a shithead.

You need to make a plan now as to how to move forward.

Firstly, The baby, have a good think about this, it doesnt sound like he is much cop as a father - so you have to choose whether to go it alone or not.
Once you have decided what to do re the baby then you can move forward towards healing from this.

I am sorry this is happening to you, it sounds like things moved too fast for him, but none of this is your fault. Obviously you spoke about having a baby - that is when he should have spoken up. Sad

Xales · 12/11/2011 18:28

Well said Abby I was trying to be more polite!

You are not an idiot at all! You just trusted the wrong man.

You won't understand. Because you are decent caring person who wouldn't turn somebodies life in and out and upside down. Because you wouldn't just walk away with out a backwards look over your shoulder.

99% of that leaving speech you just told us is about him.

99% of the time you have spent with him seems to have been about doing stuff that benefits him.

babyhammock · 12/11/2011 18:29

What an utter utter nasty excuse for a human being. You don't realise this now, but you are lucky to have him out of your life x

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 18:32

BarnMummy........I really didn't want this on my own again. And perhaps then I really have been very stupid in letting this all happen. I feel so stupid for that. When I told my mum that I was pregnant, she was a bit funny about it saying was this very sensible etc, and I assured her it was all just fine, and he assured me that we would show her, this was 2 months ago.

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izzywhizzyspecanpie · 12/11/2011 18:34

What a lowdown lying fucking turd he's turned out to be. He's way beyond, or beneath, cuntdom.

I read on Parsley's thread that the CSA rate for child support is 15% of take home pay. Can we hope that he will shortly be required to forfeit 45% of his take home pay to provide for the children he has so casually conspired to bring into this world?

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 18:38

Do you know I have posted on here lots in the past on the lone parents or primary education boards mainly, and had some heated discussions that got me wound up......but now I feel so thankful for all your support x

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pollypot · 12/11/2011 18:40

Casual is the word, frankly. I hope his ex is going to ask for back pay if that is possible. This is the kind of turd that could bring endless kids into the world and just walk away. Completely outrageous behaviour. TP you wanted to believe him this doesn't make you a bad person.

I'd bet this isn't the end of the story. He is going to get a monumental amount of grief from just about everyone he knows, and my guess he'll be back again. Be prepared! How important is his self image? What others think of him?

BarnMummy · 12/11/2011 18:43

Please don't feel stupid! You weren't - trusting perhaps, but being trusting actually makes you someone who believes the best in people, which is a really great trait to have.

Are you able to get some RL support from your mum in this?

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 18:48

I haven't told my mum yet.

I told my sister last night what had happened, and she was shocked, I will ring her in a bit. I also told a friend at work on Friday as I was upset when I got to work, as he left on Thursday night, she was great, there are 4 women, including me in my office and all 3 now know and were really supportive.

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izzywhizzyspecanpie · 12/11/2011 18:49

Capped at 20-25%? Jeez. I know what I'd like to cap - and he wouldn't find it particularly pleasant or painless.

O dear god, TP, you didn't deserve him and you don't deserve this.

I want to wrap you up in a warm, fluffy, blanket and stuff you full of comfort food.

Weep, wail, and wallow tonight and get at least some of it out of your system if you can, honey.

AbbyAbsinthe · 12/11/2011 18:50

Honestly, OP, it's really his loss. He has treated you terribly. You know, you can manage well enough without him... but I really feel for, you've been dropped right on your arse. I'm really sorry.

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 12/11/2011 18:54

I like Izzy's theory and I think we should put her in charge of the CSA Grin

TP Please don't feel stupid. Just don't. Most of us have done equally regrettable things :( Trusted someone who didn't deserve it, loved someone unable to return that love, believed someone who was all talk no trousers. Do you think I got this hard/wise by always doing the right thing? Nope - got here making mistakes. Got here by allowing someone to walk all over me. Got her by getting hurt and getting up again as you will. HE is the one who has been stupid and thrown away a lovely life he could have had with you. He is the stupid, stupid bastard who thought telling you all that crap in an effort to believe it himself was a good idea. He's the stupid idiot who let you believe all of that and allowed you to get pregnant knowing he didn't feel the same as you. I'd put him through a fucking mincer if I could get my hands on him. I really would. Now the shitty wanker has left you in the horrible position of having to bring up a baby on your own, alongside two small children, or having a termination. He really is a shitty bastard.

As much as I'm sure his Mum is lovely - please don't use her for support. It will cloud the water and it's not fair on her. I'm not saying don't be honest with her, she does deserve to know what an utter bastard he's been. Just rely on your family & friends for support.

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 18:54

pollypot....all 4 children go to the same dancing school a lot, and all the mums will be gossiping like mad, they were when we got together.

At least with my 2 girls' dad I don't ever see him, only when he did collect them every other weekend, he hasn't seen them since August, that's a whole other story, it has happened many times over the last few years that they haven't wanted to see him, the last time he had them, he called me to collect them as he said they were asking to come home. I have since then contacted him repeatedly, my youngest keeps asking to see her dad, I have told him this in emails, text and voicemail messages but he has never responded. Anyway that's something else, I can deal with that I have done for 3 years.

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ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 19:05

izzy....yes good plan Smile

He looked like a little boy when he came round frightened of being a man!

Abby.... yes I think I do know I can manage on my own, I'm scared about being pregnant and having a baby on my own though. I had resigned after 2nd maternity leave with my 2 girls, and didn't go back to work until they went to school, but I now have a great part time school hours job, with flexibility to go and see school assembleys etc, and if necessary to do more hours in less days in holidays. I think I will have to go back to work after this maternity leave, I spent along time finding this job and it really does seem perfect. My date for end of maternity leave and accrued holidays etc, will be when the new baby is about 12.5 months so that should be ok.

Chipping.... you are right I shouldn't use his mum for support.

You know there is a part of me that wonders about a termination, but I really don't think that I can do it, I don't think I have it in me.

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