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It's all gone wrong again...

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ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:14

Hi there, I could really do with some thoughts and advice here please. Sorry this is long.

Since 1998 I had been a single parent after the father of my 2 children, who were then just about to turn 1 and 2 years, decided to leave. I managed to work through all the shit and come out ok. Earlier this year I met someone who I have known of rather than known since I was a child. Everything seemed to happen very fast, and within months we were talking of marriage and another child together. He has 2 children from his previous marriage which ended 5 years ago.

So we stopped using contraception, and I became pregnant almost instantly. He has moved in with me and my 2 children, his children come to stay every weekend. I am now 3.5 months pregnant. I returned to work part time in September when my youngest started reception. I have felt very sick and tired for the last few months.

We were both very happy about it all, and all the children have been getting on very well, and it has seemed great. I have to admit to feeling very nervous at the start of it all going pear shaped having experienced one disastrous relationship with 2 children involved, but he assured me that he had never loved anyone like this, this must be love, he would do anything to ensure that we made this work.

Now, in the last week I feel as if what I have to do has increased greatly, another adult and 2 more children for part of the week. He has an outside interest that means on average 2 or 3 times a month I have looked after the 4 children either on a weekend afternoon or evening while he has been out. I have collected his children for him when he has been at work, stayed with them at activities when he wanted/needed to go somewhere. I thought I had done everything to fully embrace the new family. I have returned to work and I am pregnant. He has recently qualified in his field, but only works 3 days a week, and this did mean he looked after my girls for 2 days in half term while I was at work, so that was helpful, but on his other days off, he has been doing something for an outside interest of his, and then last night, when I came home with the children at 5pm, he arrived back at the same time, and made a cup of tea and lit the fire and spent the rest of the time sat on the sofa. While I made dinner for everyone, then cleared away and washed up, sorted washing, got my children in the bath and to bed. Then needed to do pack lunches, some ironing and sort out new car insurance. I then pointed out to him that I wasn't very happy, and he said he was willing to do anything, but I had now done it all, so yes I could have asked him to help, but he too could have offered, anyway this is kind of beside the point now! He then did not speak to me for the rest of the night, and slept in a different room, the next morning he left for work without saying goodbye as he normally would, he leaves just before I get up.

Later on he was collecting his 2 children after some after school activities, and then bringing them home, however he text me in the day to say that they were going to see his mum first, and then eventually turned up without them and told me that it was over as we were too different.

He said we had different views on organisation, I am very organised, I find that with school, and after school activities, and now working and shopping and everything you need to be! He complained that I asked him when he would be home so I knew whether I should be making tea for the children on their own earlier or all of us together, and also complained about the specific way I like to hang washing on the line! That was all he said on that subject, and then said sorry.

He then stood there while I tried to talk to him about these differences, and he just didn?t respond, so I asked about our attitudes to managing and spending money, I spend money but try hard not to waste it, having been left to look after 2 young children as a single parent I have really tried to ensure that I have savings and am reasonably financially secure so that I can provide for them. He on the other hand has no savings, and doesn?t actually have to support the day to day lives of his children and activities etc. Now in losing the single parent extra working tax credits, we have a very similar amount of money now for 2 adults and 2 children, and 2 more children for part of each week, as I had before for 1 adult and 2 children, so to me managing money and not wasting it is even more important if we want holidays etc. He previously said that he would leave the finances to me as he just didn?t think like that but totally understood what I was saying. He had also said that it was great that I was so organised as he wasn?t, and with 4 children currently and there will be 5 between us we would need to be organised.

However now it seems that these ?differences? which I thought were just about working out between us how to manage our household in terms of money and organisation, have become far more important that the apparent immense love that he felt for me that would mean we would always work it out and talk about any issues.

Today he has said he is too busy to talk to me, he has not been at work today. I just cannot believe that this has happened, I don't quite understand what has happened really.

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izzywhizzyspecanpie · 11/11/2011 23:11

I'm shocked too.

This seems to be a case of marrying in haste and repenting at leisure without benefit of having a ring on your finger.

You met him 'earlier this year', talked about getting married and having dc, and then took leave of your senses by putting the cart before the horse and got pregnant in July.

You come across as a strong, capable, woman so where did you park your brains when you rushed into this relationship, honey?

Whether anything can be salvaged remains to be seen as he's made sure that the ball is firmly in his court.

As to the reasons why he's declared that 'it's over', others have done a fine job of positing various theories and my contribution to that particular pot is that he may have already blown his first salary cheque and be too ashamed to tell you.

In any event, there nothing to be gained by you pleading and begging to see him with a view to 'talking it through'. I'd leave it for at least a fortnight to see if he makes contact with you and, if he hasn't even got the decency to enquire about your health, pack his stuff and summarily deposit it on his dm's doorstep.

After your previous experiences, and after his assurances that he would do anything to ensure that we made this work, you must know that talk is cheap.

If this should prove to be some 'temporary aberration' on his part, fgs don't let him sweet-talk his way back into your life and your home without some cast-iron guarantees that he won't walk again when the going gets tough for him - although, after what he's done, I haven't a clue as to what he could possibly do to make amends for such twuntish behaviour.

ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 23:11

That is exactly it, he knew what had happened before, and told me so many times what an awful way that was to treat the mother of your 2 young children, and we would always try to work things out and talk about problems, well.....what a load of bollocks that appears to have been!

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ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 23:15

izzy - yes indeed it seems I may have not engaged my brain fully here!

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rightchoice · 11/11/2011 23:19

I expect he has long since forgotten what he said to woo and win you. Now he has thrown his toys out of the pram when real life sets in and there is stuff to be done. Wouldn't trust one thing that came out of his mouth if it were me. It's not what they say it's what they do that counts. This man is immature, spoilt and probably sponging from his mum.

ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 23:23

well you've made me laugh anyway! Smile

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rightchoice · 11/11/2011 23:25

That's my girl!

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 11/11/2011 23:39

Jeez, when some worthless twunt tips a barrel of manure over your head what else can you do except Grin? And start planning to drop them in some very deep shit.

You're far too bright and together to sit around feeling sorry for yourself and the best revenge is to live well without giving your 'enemy' a second thought (at least no second thoughts that they ever get to hear about).

He may have been too cowardly busy to talk to you today but I suspect he'll be in touch in the not too distance future and, when he does, make the fucker sweat by playing it cool.

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 11/11/2011 23:39

TP - I wouldn't be able to trust him after this. I just could not trust a man who could walk out like that, I'd be forever on egg shells and for that reason alone I would not take him back. It doesn't matter what he says now, trusting him would be a mistake :(

It's unfortunate that you are pregnant now that the older ones are school age, but you will be fine. You brought your two up on your own, you can do this. Make sure you get onto the CSA the minute you have this one. This baby will be lovely, just like your older two. You obviously wanted another baby and now you have one on the way, don't let all of this cloud your enjoyment of a new baby.

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 11/11/2011 23:41
izzywhizzyspecanpie · 11/11/2011 23:50

My lips will be sealed Chipping after I finish laughing like a drain Grin

Way to go, honey. And that is the way to do it - don't get mad, get even. Or get mad and get even as long as you avoid being certified Wink

UnlikelyAmazonian · 11/11/2011 23:51

FFs Izzy, your attitude is rubbish, old fashioned and offensive: 'where did you park your brains honey' ????

'in between mee titties miss' ??
wtf? what a patronising description of the 'Lil old stoopid honey of an OP' ? Angry

Why not ask, pray where did the OPs cock-of-a-knob-faced twat park his penis? With the fucking fairies? Or inside the OP? With the knowledge that he might create a child.

This child has been conceived. He or she will be appalled to know that some morbidly 'moral' commentators thought to write or say 'where did you park your brains honey' in the future when she/he is head of ICI or an internationally applauded philanthropist.

This child hasn't even been born but apparently already it has a shit father and a load of judgy pants people from 2011, typing thoughtlessly on some long-gone forum and telling his mother that she' s been a selfish woman with syrup for brains.

Charbon · 11/11/2011 23:51

Actually it's a pretty smart move not to have married someone who might then have been able to claim half of your assets and made you jointly liable for their debtsWink

I do think you've been a bit oblivious to how inequitable this set-up has been, OP. He really hasn't been pulling his weight at all, in any department. Looking after your kids once for 2 measly days while you work to pay for all this, is a bit different to you looking after his kids 2-3 times a month, while he gets to play at being a rock star, isn't it?

Eurostar · 11/11/2011 23:54

Red flag central here isn't it?
Painting the ex wife as the grumpy madwoman when you actually can see she is reasonable - probably also a very capable person like yourself who made the mistake of doing too much til she realised she didn't to carry him anymore, Rushing into romance worthy of a 15 year old - wants babies within 6 months of meeting you?? Off playing in a band several nights a week when I presume he is past the first flush of youth...

Maybe you can sort things out if he is capable of growing up but it's going to take a lot of talking and you have to stop enabling him right now - no more funding him, no more doing more than your fair share of the work.

ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 23:55

unlikely and charbon...now you've both made me laugh Grin

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ChippingInNeedsSleep · 12/11/2011 00:31
izzywhizzyspecanpie · 12/11/2011 01:16

It would only have been more satisfying if they were under it, Chipping Grin

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 12/11/2011 02:09

Yeah - you can't have everything!

... but you know the song... (Peter, Paul & Mary)

So high can't get over it
So low can't get under it
So wide can't get round it....

Not to mention that when it sinks into concrete, grass & bark it retains the smell for a longggggggg time Grin

lisaro · 12/11/2011 02:28

This will sound horrible, but why on earth did you let it get so far so quickly? There's no way you could know each other enough in such a short space of time.

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 12/11/2011 04:25

It's the age-old story, lisaro, and even po-faced prigs can be as susceptible to what they want to hear as seeing what they want to see.

Although the OP didn't know the selfish twunt from way back in her childhood, she knew of him and I suspect that, in her mind, this gave him a certain credibility or authenticity that she may not have accorded him if he was a random stranger.

From what the OP's said, it seems that they met in early spring when the sap was rising. The UK had some wonderful weather around April/May time. Living is so much easier when the sun shines and it's an ideal time for lovers.

The rest, as they say, is history and it remains to be seen whether he is too.

I daresay that some may come forth with tales of how they conceived the night they met 'the one' and are still together umpteen years and numerous dc/dgc later, but the goddess of happy relationships doesn't always smile kindly on the majority of us mere mortals.

Even when we're convinced that we're living the dream and everything in the garden is rosy, the OP's story is a salutory tale of the need for women to keep their wits about them when choosing men to have dc with, especially when relationships haven't been put to the test for any great length of time.

For your sake TP, and for the sake of your own and his dc, I sincerely hope that this is his misguided idea of a 'lovers' tiff' but, whatever the outcome, you've got your sense of humour and the 24/7 support that's available here to get you through the coming months and beyond.

BTW, if it doesn't pan out in the next few days, don't forget to reclaim those tax credits asap and, if he won't repay you for the cost of the beds/bedding, sell them on gumtree or elsewhere if they're no use to you.

lisaro · 12/11/2011 04:37

Izzy - you're lovely.

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 09:40

Well I don't feel quite as jovial today, in fact I feel shit!

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ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 11:47

I saw his children this morning, he had already left them at their activities when I took my eldest, me and all the children spoke quite normally.

He has text me to say he will come and see me later.

I don't feel good at all today, and all my intentions of being able to talk sensibly without crying seem to have gone out the window.

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ChippingInNeedsSleep · 12/11/2011 12:07

I wish there was a tap you could turn off so that your tears don't let you down. I feel it often undermines my pov, but I just can't stop the bloody things!

What do you want to say when you see him? What do you want to happen?

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 12:15

Well it seems all he has said is that we have different views on daily organisation and managing finances, which to me are issues that would need talking through in a many number of relationships, not a reason to end a relationship without any attempt to resolve what I would have thought was just a case of some communication and a little compromise. He had not expressed being unhappy before, so I really am confused about the sudden dramatics.
I really thought we had enough and felt enough for each other not to fall at such an early hurdle, I wonder whether he has cold feet.

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ChippingInNeedsSleep · 12/11/2011 12:22

TP - I totally agree with what you are saying. Of course all of those things needed to be discussed, it's generally not easy to adjust to living together when you are older adults, let alone when you have children, some of which live with you and some of which are only there part time. It can be very difficult. I have no idea why he thought differently??

However, my concern (if I was you) now would be that he just walked out. He left you over something so trivial. Not only that but he's walked out on your kids and taken his kids away from you and your kids.

I just couldn't trust him again... but how do you feel about that?

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