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Support for those in emotionally abusive relationships 5

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ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 26/09/2011 21:50

Welcome!

This is the latest instalment in a series of threads for those who are in abusive relationships, those who have left abusive relationships, and those gearing to leave.

Come vent, share, give and receive support.

The first question you may be asking yourself as a new visitor to this thread is:

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.

OP posts:
NettleTea · 27/09/2011 12:29

Hi Mdm I may well have popped on and then lost track. Im a bit unreliable like that Im afraid.....

I have just about managed to get him into a place where I generaly feel nothing at all. BUT I dont actually have to have any contact with him as my mum does all the supervised visits. I am very grateful to her for that, and she doesnt trust him enough to suggest unsupervised. Mum doesnt quite 'get' the EA although she is aware that he was DV with the mum of his other child.

BibiBlocksberg · 27/09/2011 13:22

Just popping back for a lunchtime lurk :)

Thanks all for saying I can be miserable here, will remember that. Just difficult to do when there's not a lot actually wrong in my life right now and there are people battling real problems and real people (well, people may be a bit strong for some of these tossers :))

I also get myself into a strange 'play the violin for me' self pitying state where I convince myself no-one likes me/what I have to say/have no energy/lonely blah de blah blah.

But I know that's all it is - a pitying party for one which will blow over in a few days.

foolonthehill · 27/09/2011 14:20

big buttons same ages almost identical but swap the sexes round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
have noticed such improvement with descriptive praise for all of them. Only problem is when the twat walks in and immediately cuts us all down to size!

like madame's way of getting rid of feelings...

notsorted · 27/09/2011 14:29

OK, trying to make myself positive: so what are your best tips for not sinking back into the morass of shitty feelings?
I went out last night but had to keep a hold on myself to stop bursting into tears again and again. Back in tears today. Crap, crap, crap.
And stupidly pondering whether I should go out internet dating for fun just so I can feel liked again. (This is bad, I know. Am vulnerable, am stupid, but I can't go on like this forever)

Phoenixx · 27/09/2011 14:54

Afternoon ladies, I joined the last thread near the end and have had a cack week, due to lack of sleep mainly and have not had the energy or brain power to post, but I think I have caught up and I am back on board now! Had a lovely birthday weekend had a trip out to a comedy gig with a friend and laughed loads which was just what I needed. DS kind of upset me though, he gave me a birthday card and he had drawn 2 cats on it that were saying 'I hate you' to each other, I was so upset that this whole sorry mess must be having a horrible effect on him but he said he was trying to make me laugh, but I was really upset!
My twat is being strangely pleasant which I find a bit un-nerving, I think he does not think I am serious about leaving him, oh how wrong! I am feeling fairly positive and since I got some sleep much more functional (I couldn't even muster the energy to cook) and yay for the sunshine not what I was expecting to see today at all!

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 27/09/2011 15:27

so what are your best tips for not sinking back into the morass of shitty feelings?

Strangely, for me, it's just letting them come, without trying to push them back. Observing the black fog of depression as objectively as possible. Reminding myself that it will lift, and better moods will come again. Those better moods will occasionally be replaced by another bout of depression, but that too will pass. And so on.

Basically accepting your feelings as they are. And observing them rather than sinking into them.

Then there's all the preventive methods to try to stave off the onslaught of shitty feelings. For me, it's :

  • exercise
  • regular, proper meals
  • the company of good people. I try to entice people to come have dinner at mine, go on coffee breaks, and so on, as much as I can when I'm on an "up", in order to keep it "up" as long as possible. Because the opposite is the spiral of feeling shit, including feeling too shit to reach out to people, which makes you feel more shit, etc...
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MadameOvary · 27/09/2011 15:57

Puppy yes, that objective detached state is good. if you can catch yourself and say "oh right ok I'm feeling a bit low. It will pass. Let's just manage it as best we can"
Also, to continue what you were saying, if I have a really good day, I file it away to remind myself that 1) This person is a good influence 2) A good mood is just around the corner 3)good feelings can be recalled on those in-between days which are neither good nor bad, and it can help tip the mood-balance into positive, IYSWIM?

BreakFree · 27/09/2011 16:05

Thanks for the tips. Usually I have been detatching and actually standing up for myself but just recently the stress of the constant being picked at got to me and is why I just had a melt down. That and AF had arrived and I suffer really badly pain wise and I was getting sick and everything and had my DCs actually caring more about me than him! My littlest DC was covering me up with a blanket and the older DC got really upset herself when she saw me cry which broke my heart. I tried to stop but I just wasn't able to. I felt awful then for them seeing mommy cry

As far as leaving is going as I was before I'm still pretty much stuck. I'm in a lot of debt financially and I don't own a car and DCs school is within walking distance of the house. I was lying here last night realising though that he will never leave. Why should he? He is that arrogant and self righteous that he will never do it so I need to think of another plan of action.Biggest problem is, if I actually do leave with DCS he will lose this house on the basis that the family isn't living here anymore and it was council allocated to our family. I am just visulaising all that moving stuff and uprooting DCs all because he is a bully who won't let me out of this cage I feel like I'm living in.
I stil haven't gone to womens aid. Purely because half of me is ashamed to, purely because I'm afraid someone I know will see me and also because I'm actually scared about picking up the phone to ring because I think others will think I am making a drama over nothing. He tells me that all the time. That I make a drama over nothing.
My friend asked me the other night was I happy, yes or no. I said No. He and his wife told me they would be here for me no matter what. My friend,his wife said, "only you can decide to end this and get out"

I know. I wish it was just so much simpler and black and white. Not with all these grey areas of children, disability, lack of transport, no money etc.
I've been posting here so long I think I'll never get out . I started posting here around Christmas last year I think and I truly thought I'd have gotten out by now. Some f*d up part of me still loves/pities him. I actually disgust myself over that My kids are starting to show the effects - reffering to daddy as mean/a bully/lazy etc.

Give me strength! Wish there was a freedom programme here.

IWantWine · 27/09/2011 16:21

Hi everybody :(

Reading links has me in tears here! Well I am on the booze bus, so I might as well tag along here for a ride in this one!

Currently trying to find the courage to instruct my solicitor to start divorce, absolutely scared senseless of the repurcussions. I know I must do it because living here, like this, is affecting my health and it is going to get worse before it gets better.

I appreciate not being on my own but am so sad that there are so many of us.

foolonthehill · 27/09/2011 16:42

breakfree it's never nothing, you deserve some support in RL as well as here. Talk to CAB about situation with house...there may be a way to get him out...you never know.

Phoenixx · 27/09/2011 17:07

breakfree There are ways out, you can get an Occupation order which means he will have to leave the house and you can stay alternatively (which is what I have done) Apply to be rehoused with domestic abuse as your reason, Womens Aid have written me a supporting letter which means they are legally obliged to rehouse you as you are classified as homeless .

helpmeMN · 27/09/2011 19:04

Hello all. New thread! Wow. Thanks, Puppy, for setting it up.

Wanted to comment on a couple of things I'd read - the cooking and the driving, for a start - funny how universal those are (the insistence on 'I'm good, you're shit', a message that can be delivered in so many inventive ways: although I'm speaking as someone who managed to drive our car into our parked van this week - skillz - so maybe it's justified in my case!) The other thing, which is REALLY helping at the moment, is the increase in just general USEFULNESS I've felt since finally asserting myself. Things that seemed hard before just seem easy now, like I've stripped away all his obstacles and objections to everything. I've been absorbing all of the hurdles he puts in his own way and it's great for my self-esteem to find things so manageable. (Which is why it was SO weird in counselling when he said to the counsellor that he was worried about my drinking and how poorly I'm coping and how I must be depressed about my Dad??! - she said I must be 'acting out' because I'm just not getting heard.)

That's the up - the down (I do feel pretty bipolar at the mo, poss because drinking too much Blush but only on REALLY FUN NIGHTS OUT with half-forgotten friends who seem to enjoy my company - another massive plus!), is feeling just unbelievably uncertain, completely untethered, absolutely upside down and inside out about what is real and what isn't. On good days I value my friends so much, but when I'm feeling down I just think 'who are you anyway? why do you like me? do you understand anything? do you even know me?' and I look at the pain I'm causing H and I feel completely worthless.

Couples and individual counselling are both helping. Individual because I get to talk completely openly and remind myself that this IS the right thing (which tbh my feelings remind me all the time, delight about him being out of the house etc.). Couples because he is starting to listen, with her encouragement, and she tells him that he always starts with what's wrong with me and that he hears what he wants to hear and not what I'm saying - but she doesn't think I'm a saint at all! (will send her to specsavers ;)).

I probably sound really upbeat - I am. I did just burst into tears, though, at an email from a lovely friend who saw H at a wedding on Sat (I didn't go because no childcare but also because of what's happening) and she half-remembered a conversation with him where he'd mentioned both my dad's post-mortem arriving (that's a whole other story, coroner's inquest approaching, am coping with COMPLETE DENIAL) and us splitting up. I don't know which bit of it made me cry but I went instantly from really chirpy (got some work this morning, yippee) to crying. Hey ho. Nobody said it would be easy.

Barbie WELL DONE! Everyone else, big hellos and sorry to hear your pain.

Off to Emma's thread to remind myself why I need to keep my fantasies about married crush firmly in check. Blush

Chins up, everyone. You're all amazing.

foolonthehill · 27/09/2011 19:17

helpmeIs couples counselling REALLY helping???????

ours isn't just makes me feel more of a mess and more MAD than even I think I am normally...seems to give him another way to make me feel terrible and problematic....and 'cos it has to be 50/50 (it's couples counselling) counsellor is programmed to appear to believe 6 of one and 1/2 dozen of the other! Not so helpful if it isn't/

I refer my right honourable friend to St Lundy!!!with new converts glee

whattodoandwhentodoit · 27/09/2011 20:02

good evening everyone. I am trying not to feel so sorry for myself tonight. We are in quite a "good" phase at the moment, so I am waiting for the crash. It will probably be this weekend, as my period is due. This means that he can be extra specially manipulative and wind me up to breaking point, then he can blame me and my hormones.

iwillbefree · 27/09/2011 20:18

Hi All, Shawshank here (wish i'd chose that as my username lol)

Thinking of everyone on here today, seems like everyone is finding things tough at the moment.

I'm no different - struggling to understand things. The more I look into the reasons why he is acting like this, the more I realise how complicated these men are. Its so difficult to unpick the last 20 years and I'm getting a little overwhelmed with the amount of information i'm trying to take in.

Been reflecting alot on his past behaviour. Putting the more serious stuff aside (dont breathe, dont move, whats this fucking piece of paper doing here) I keep thinking of when the little things started. Mad things keep popping into my head for eg

Twat "do you want carrotts on your tea"
me "no thanks I dont like them"
Twat "well youre getting some"

Why ask me? so he controls what I eat.

He will never take his keys with him when he goes out, so I can never go far.

I went to my friends the other week to help her with her new baby (she wanted me to hold him while she found her living room again) I told him where I was going etc. After an hour there was a knock on her door, it was him stood in his bike stuff complete with bike he said "you'd better get yourself home I'm going out on my bike now, the kids are on their own" I couldnt believe he'd left the kids in the house - so glad my friend heard she couldnt believe it. I dashed home to the kids.

I need to tell him I dont love him - but i'm finding it hard, why when hes a complete pig.

Sorry definately a me, myself and I post this one.

IWBF

xx

helpmeMN · 27/09/2011 20:21

Yes, mine is helping, because I think she can hear that I really want out and she's seeing it as separation negotiation rather than trying to keep us together. I think? So it's talking to someone who understands my message and seems to be able to convey it to him in a way he can process. It's bloody hard, though, it's SO hard to be honest. Luckily he was being a dick last week and just switching the act around all over the place so I just got really angry! Which was also fine, because I don't need to feel bad about how I FEEL. I don't!

helpmeMN · 27/09/2011 20:25

OMG re the kids in the house!!! that is shocking. Impressive in a way that he did it in front of your friend. Like, not impressive in a good way, but is he beyond manipulating what other people think of him? Or does he not get that that is objectively awful (er, illegal?) behaviour?

I have that about food! Exactly the same. "I'm changing this curry you made and froze to make it nicer." "Oh, OK. Please don't make it too hot." The number of times I've had to tell him I don't like french onion soup and every time he looks crushed because he's made it for me for 'a treat'! Hmm

I think we're all holding onto reality admirably in the circumstances. Thanks in no small way to each other.

helpmeMN · 27/09/2011 20:26

and fool we've had two before who made me feel mad/overreacting/oversensitive but I think they were shit counsellors. And I guess I was less sure of myself.

NettleTea · 27/09/2011 20:28

oooh the cooking and the driving!!!
I am both a good cook AND a good driver, but ex made me lose the love for cooking - in the end I just wouldnt cook for him, it just wasnt worth the criticism, and as he was a chef he could always eat at work. And I gave up driving with him for much the same reasons.
And gave up going to restaurants because he ALWAYS complained 'Im a chef you know'.........blah blah.
Its a joke because now when he sees my mum he always says he misses my cooking....
DP gave me back the love. Ive only just lost the weight I put on when I ate because I was finally happy and had someone who appreciated it. Now, 8 years on, he still thanks me for every meal I give him - even if its egg and beans.

helpmeMN · 27/09/2011 20:29

and can I just say that I find the posts about everyone's personal experience just as helpful as any others - and I know how cathartic/helpful it is to get it out. So please, everyone, from my POV at least, RANT AWAY!

iwillbefree · 27/09/2011 20:30

Thanks MN, the kids in the house thing really hit me, it was when I realsied this is having an impact on them in a big way no matter how hard I try to protect them.

The food thing is strange though - so not important but they still have to control it!

I am with you on french onion soup ewwwww!

IWBF xx

helpmeMN · 27/09/2011 20:32

God, I could have written that, NT. And he wasn't even a proper chef, really, he worked in a pub in his early twenties (before The Rise of the Gastropub). But he lies about it all the time. I've even heard him claim a Michelin star (obviously when I called him on it it was, you guessed it 'a joke').

Did he also criticise every meal that was cooked for him? And I wonder why no-one ever invites us round for dinner... of course he says it's because he's set the bar too high and people are intimidated to cook for him.

iwillbefree · 27/09/2011 20:32

and can I just say that I find the posts about everyone's personal experience just as helpful as any others - and I know how cathartic/helpful it is to get it out. So please, everyone, from my POV at least, RANT AWAY!

Me too! Its comforting for me to know I'm not going mad!!!

IWBF xx

notsorted · 27/09/2011 20:34

Ringing bells with the fear that the downer will come as period approaches. Mine used to say with certain glee "are you on the rag". I started thinking I'd got some form of PMT that he could smell or that he got PMT. I don't think I do actually get PMT, perhaps a slight craving for chocolate.
Weirdly the cooking control: ex has a restrictive diet (mostly medical) it seemed to get stricter if his mood was worse. Oh and he loved claiming he cooked half the meals - I kept thinking I am making it up and mentally tot up who'd done what. And he never, ever shopped.

iwillbefree · 27/09/2011 20:49

MN,

Come on MN, whats wrong with leaving 2 kids on their own in a house with 2 dogs and the door unlocked at 7pm at night, what could possibly go wrong? surely a bike ride is FAR more important than that, after all the light was fading.

His needs/wants first.

His reply when I challenged him later "they were alright wern't they, nothing happened"

IWBFxx

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