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Does time really heal this terrible pain? 24 year marriage ended.

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drfayray · 16/07/2011 07:45

I have already posted re: asking DH to leave. This is really a different topic. My 24 year long marriage is over as DH has been having an affair for a year and a half. He doesn't want to be married anymore. We have two children, DS15 and DD 13.

I am feeling the most dreadful pain. I am crying all the time and looking ghastly. I cannot believe that this marriage is over. I cannot even begin to work out how to split things up. Everything we own is from the marriage.

The past seven months (I found out in January) have been absolutely dreadful but now it is worse as it is a certainty. Before now, there was a shred of hope that we could continue but his refusal to stop seeing this OW and not wanting to seek counselling OR really do anything to work at the marriage is a clear signal that I have to accept the end.

I feel like I am flailing around helplessly. I have support in my doctor, my psychologist and my friends but I feel so very alone.

He is not being unreasonable re: money (well so far) so it is not about that. It is about how am I to cope with this? I cannot bear it.

There are so many people here who have gone through so much and I would appreciate some advice.

I want to go back to being the lively, happy, cheerful and great person I used to be. Not this wreck of a scowling, angry, bitter and heartbroken thing I am right now.

Thank you.

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BeforeAndAfter · 06/09/2011 06:54

I meant to add, I agree with you, BettySwallox has one of the best names which is guaranteed to make me smile! In fact there are some seriously clever and witty names on MN which leave me in awe at the wit behind thinking them up. I love ImperialBlether too.

Wisedupwoman · 06/09/2011 20:51

drfay just catching up and want to add my voice to the other's here. You're on a road that will only get better.
I can't think of any thing that hasn't already been said, you have some wonderful support going here and in RL and you're using it too, that's as clear as day.

It's also clear from your very touching post that your anger has temporarily abated and the sad acceptance is beginning to emerge. That's good. Good for you, I mean that you are moving on.

Stay who you are. Let him go. This is all about you now. Smile

drfayray · 07/09/2011 14:34

B&A and Wisey, thanks for posting. As always, your posts are much appreciated.

I had a super day today! I woke up expecting it to be good, and it was!

Lovely perfect spring day; blue skies and beautiful warmth. Work is going so well. My colleagues seem to like me and I like them.

The work is quite full on, but I seem to be handling it so far.

On the way to the bus stop, my dear friend T. saw me and gave me a lift and we had a cuppa at my house. She is such a delightful woman and we had a good laugh. She is having some crap with an ex and custody issues going on in her life and I do appreciate the time she gives me.

Children are busy and working hard at school. I watched some funny tv with DS and DD and that was very relaxing.

I am not overthinking things too much atm but just enjoying the pleasure that can be found in everyday things.

I forced myself to be cheerful and after a while it was not forced anymore.

Today it was a large dark red velvet rose on my lapel.
Smile

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Longtime · 07/09/2011 15:55

Happy to see you had a good day today. Long may they continue!

drfayray · 08/09/2011 13:40

Thanks Longtime. I am trying very hard to have good days and to be positive.

I find myself still thinking about ABCKF for fleeting moments..like how could he do this...the deceit, the betrayal. But I stop those thoughts and try to do something else.

Work is just so good. I have only been there 4 weeks and one of my colleagues said that if felt like I have been there for ages! Isn't that nice?

Actually my face hurts at the mo from laughing so much today. But also got a lot of work done.

Darling children seem to be doing ok and yeah...all ok.

It will be 8 months soon from when I first found out and everything changed.

Soon it will be over legally. And it will be ok.

I can do this and do it well. AM doing it well.

Deep breaths in and out, drfayray...deep breaths.

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Longtime · 08/09/2011 15:38

:)

BeforeAndAfter · 08/09/2011 23:09

Hey there Rambling Rose!

I'm not sure I'll have a chance to log-on tomorrow so just a quick note to wish you strength for Saturday when your very own twunt is supposed to be coming over to move his stuff.

Be prepared that he will have under-estimated the size of the task and may need to come back.

If you have ABCKF there on Saturday, it's going to be very hard. Don't let the task ahead or him get you down. Focus on the other side - once his stuff is gone you will have tucked one more milestone under your belt and you really will feel more in control and relaxed.

Take care honey and enjoy your weekend. I will be thinking of you.

xx

Wisedupwoman · 09/09/2011 19:00

Be prepared that he will have under-estimated the size of the task

yeah when he rolls up on a push-bike and looks all surprised at the mountain of crap stuff he's got to move Grin

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 10/09/2011 00:03

Hi DrFayWray... hope you're feeling a bit better now.

I know that it probably doesn't seem like it to you but you're dealing with a heck of a lot in a very short space of time and doing it all marvellously. You've even manage to start - and thrive - in a brand new job all whilst this is going on.

Every day it's going to get a bit better, you come to terms with things as they're ongoing and clear out bit of Dingbat clutter from your home and your mind and in the not so distant future, you won't have as many periods of 'down', although I think they're quite healthy really, you're coming to terms with something that's very like a bereavement and if you need some time to cry or feel sad about it, you must have it.

I can hardly believe all you've accomplished since you first posted this thread - your DCs are awesome and they get that from YOU. The fact that they're coming through this well and seem quite unscathed is because you're steady and providing them with everything that they need. You really mustn't underestimate all that you've done, it's truly incredible.

It sounds like you have some terrific RL friends who are very supportive... another testament to your own worth as a friend to them. Thinking of you often and rooting for you, DrFayWray. Have a lovely weekend.

drfayray · 10/09/2011 15:49

Ok, just a quick one as I am very very tired and it is very late. I will post more tomorrow.

It was hard today. He did not take all his stuff but we spent the time sorting out some financial stuff. He is being decent about it. I had another bad cry and felt like I couldn't breathe. THe scan I had yesterday made me feel sick and I had a very bad night before. But then I rang epicfail who as usual was very supportive and gave me some spinal cord so I managed to stiffen up and did not cry again after that.

He is coming back tomorrow to sort out the backyard as there will be a rental inspection on the 26th. He did take some things anyway.

He is getting a sol (the one he saw before) and if he continues like this it means that we can sort things out quickly and so it will not cost so much.

He has offered to pay 70/30 towards DD's private school fees. DS goes to a state high school. And he will pay $20 per week for the dog. Shock.

I am hoping I will be able to afford to go to Singapore for Christmas with DC to be with my family. I need it. The next few months are going to be gruesome.

A quick thanks for the posts, dear ones. I do appreciate them.

And Witchy, those are very very kinds words. I do not feel like I have been doing those things..but thinking on it..I have, haven't I ? So thank you for pointing that out.

I feel wrecked by today. Emotionally drained. I am just hoping it will all be over soon. AND I CAN GET ON WITH THE REST OF MY LIFE.

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wiseoldowl · 10/09/2011 17:04

Hi DrFay
hope you have a good nights sleep, it sounds like the rollercoaster's on a dip again but you have come back before and you can come back again.
The Christmas break sounds like a good idea, something to focus on to give you some strength and to be with family will certainly help you.
Just be wary, he may be reasonable now but get the sols involved and its every man (woman?) for himself.
You need to focus on yourself and what's good for you & DCs, no compromise.
Take care
x

MigratingCoconuts · 10/09/2011 17:57

hope you sleep well DrFay xx

drfayray · 12/09/2011 04:44

Hi everyone. heavy sigh At least the weekend is over. ABCKF packed up a fair amount of his stuff. He cleared the backyard completely. And sorted out the finances. He is being quite generous. But I had a breakdown at the end and he just got up to leave. DD came to me to beg me to stop crying and he came back in the door and just stared. Then he turned around, said good bye and left. I am tearing up writing this actually. And I have to stop as am at work!

I think financially I am going to be ok if he continues with this plan. Might change, I dunno.

I rang my mum afterwards and she was really kind. She is desperate for me to come back at Christmas as she wants to look after me. I have done my tax and am expecting a large rebate as I did not work last year (here in Aus it is tax time) and as soon as it comes in (about a week or so) I will be booking my tickets for Singapore. ABCKF has agreed to letting the kids go to Singapore for Christmas. He will have them the two weeks before when it is school hols. We break up for the year here in early Dec; DS on Nov 25 and DD on Dec 8. School doesn't start until after Australia Day (26th Jan).

See the thing that gets me is that he was being kind and reasonable about stuff to do with the house and money. BUT just not about the marriage. Although I do accept that is over.

As I cried to DD I cannot believe this is happening even though it has been happening for MONTHS.

Why am I so stupid?

Hopefully I will not see him again for a long time. He will be taking DS to the airport on the 18th morning as DS is going for a ski trip. I will say goodbye inside the house so I do not have to see him. He is taking DD on the 21st until the 26th as it is school hols next week. So I will be alone in the house Sad.

This is why I am determined to spend the FIRST Christmas with my family in another country. I must do this.

I also have to do a budget to ensure that I have money to pay for everything. He is not going to pay any bills but giving me the money only. I have been keeping on top of things so far. I feel a bit scared you know...but have to face these things.

I feel very alone right now. VERY.

I need to get some concrete and harden up. Quickly.

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epicfail · 12/09/2011 06:19

You aren't stupid and while occasionally you may be physically alone you aren't ever really alone - you have us and T and many other good friends - a phone call away. I am glad you are going to go home for Christmas. Let your mum look after you while you recharge your batteries, you need that. I think you will feel more grounded and stronger after you spend time with your parents. Ahhh really dooooo.

BeforeAndAfter · 12/09/2011 08:11

Sorry you're struggling DrFay. It was always going to be tough when he came and got his stuff.

Now, you still seem to harbour some notion that ABCKF is a decent chap at heart. I think you may have been playing ostrich with us on this one but get your head out of the sand and speak to a lawyer and understand exactly what you and the DCs are entitled to and make sure that whatever he is offering and you are agreeing is no less than that.

Before any one leaps in with the words "collaborative" I can assure you that I am not out to make lawyers rich and, personally, I can't bear the thought of a big legal battle over the assets, so no, I'm not trying to get you to "bleed ABCKF dry" or whatever other phrase comes to your mind. BUT it's clear you are worried about finances so make sure that you get what you are entitled to and don?t be scared or ashamed or finding out exactly what that is. You will not be wearing a label saying ?money grabbing bitch? if you do that. You will be wearing a label that says ?In charge of mine and my DC's destiny, armed with the facts? There is a reason why you are entitled to it you know and I don't see why OW should benefit in any way shape or form if you're left struggling and worrying.

If he's offering more than you're entitled to then that's good but don't go all Mills & Boons and think it's a secret sign from him about undying love - you ARE over that aren't you? Somehow you've got to trample on those embers of hope inside you. It really is fucking hard and fucking unfair and time and no contact will help with that.

As for fair amount of stuff, this means some stuff (or quite a bit of stuff?) is left. So, when's it going? You still have his crap to look at and trust me here DrFay, all the time you're looking at that stuff you're going to be in limbo, you really are. So far, it's all his way, isn't it? You have one spoilt brat on your hands if you ask me.

Your role is no longer to revolve around him as he lounges smugly in the centre of your universe. It strikes me that he has a great deal here:

He dictates to you when you he comes and clears stuff;
He doesn't take it all and will need to come back at his and OW's convenience (most certainly not your convenience);
You get a job (which is great) and he seems to see it as a sign that it takes the heat off of him to do the right thing by you financially;
He is not being kind to you when he offers you x, y, and z in financial settlement you know. Don?t think that way (I?m assuming you are ...);
Personally, I think he should pay 100% school fees for both kids.

Do you see where I'm coming from here? Put yourself in our shoes. I have a sneaky feeling you've got some bonnets and heaving bosoms in your heart of hearts and you?re hoping for a 180 degree turnaround from ABCKF. Tell me I'm wrong, please.

You do need some quickset concrete and fast but if you pour concrete over a surface that's not been properly prepared, the concrete just cracks. So I think you need to put the rest of his belongings in the shed or garage or some other outbuilding as soon as possible and then rearrange the house to suit your taste. That way if he comes when you're there he's the sad man outside getting his shabby belongings not the peacock strutting in to your home, giving a little tom cat spray to mark his territory as he walks through to pick and choose what he takes which means he gets to pick and choose when you can finally begin to heal properly. Come on, he's been picking and choosing since he first saw OW so don't let him carry on doing this in your space.

Here?s your action plan:

  1. Put the rest of his belongings in the shed or garage or some other outbuilding as soon as possible and then rearrange the house to suit your taste;
  2. Give him a deadline to pick up his stuff after which it goes to charity or in the garbage;
  3. MEAN IT DrFay, yes, I?m shouting at you there, sorry, it makes me feel guilty but you need stern words here. Tough shit if it?s not convenient for him. Things have been very inconvenient for you for far too long.

So exactly where have you got to with understanding what you and the DCs are legally entitled to? I need to know that DrFay because you cannot negotitate without a base line and that base line is your legal entitlement no more, no less. You need to know where the buck stops for you. This is not about revenge, skinning the bastard alive financially or anything else. It's about making sure that you get what you're entitled to. I don't want you to only take advice from friends here. So, have you actually appointed a solicitor who will act for you and if not, why not?

You did see a solicitor a while back didn?t you. I think you got a bunch of forms and stuff but did you figure out the baseline amount? I shall now see it as my duty to nag you about this I?m afraid. I want you to come back on here soon and say: ?OK, my sol has told me exactly what I?m entitled to as a minimum and that?s the point from which I negotiate with ABCKF?.

When you get home tonight have a good cry over what has happened. Have a good cry over the hurt of the weekend because it is hard and it does hurt and if you can?t face being tough tonight then don?t be. Eat ice cream and chocolate Grin.

Come on DrFay we are all rooting for you out here in computer-land. Put some poison ivy on your lapel, just for ABCKF.

Sorry if this is a tad grumpy and repetitive. I know it hurts but you are one hell of a woman but you will struggle to become even more amazing if you don't sort out what you're entitled to and get his stuff out of your house.

Arse-kicking hectoring nag-fest officially over. xx

foggyfig · 12/09/2011 12:23

Swoon, I am in love. Wink Great advice arse-kicking hectoring nag-fester BeforeAndAfter.

All I can say is hear hear Grin Wine

drfayray · 12/09/2011 13:33

Wow! B&A! Thank you! I so appreciate you writing all that. I really do.

Yes I do have a solicitor. I do. A SHL like Saffy's. She has sent him a letter asking for various things including getting representation. He has finally got a sol and will be sending the info. She is waiting on his pay and already has the super info. SHe has calculated my entitlements.

The way maintenance is calculated is to a set formula by the CSA. It takes into account my pay, his and the number of days he has them. He has agreed to 3 days per fortnight. This includes every other weekend and some of the holidays.

And no, I am harbouring no illusions here. I KNOW it is over. But I cannot help but feel so sad. I do not love him anymore. I look at him and just feel nothing. I think I am crying cos I am so angry and hurt. I am crying because I feel such a fool too. I am not crying because of him going. As DD said, we are happier without him around.

And really the only stuff left is our collective junk that needs to be dumped in a skip. He has taken his belongings. All his clothes, his golf gear, the kayaking krap all that is gone. I look around and see my stuff and the kids' stuff.

And you know..I have to be fair, even if he has not been. He did clear out the whole backyard which was in a terrible terrible mess. He used to be a really kind and nice person. Used to be.

I feel a lot better now. Please do not think I am having doubts and being daft about him. I am not. I am just very sad. But I am doing things here. I am putting the house on the market and selling the third car.

Thank you so much for caring about me. But although that post of mine was rather sooky as I was very sorry for myself this morning, I am not going to get end up worse off than I should be. Not for my sake, but for the DC.

XXXXX

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BeforeAndAfter · 12/09/2011 13:51

Way to go DrFay ... that's more like it! I am feeling much more settled having read your latest post. Glad you have your very own SHL.

The crying is fine and I firmly believe it's good for you (except the saline tears dry out that delicate under-eye skin, so get a good eye cream!!)

You're grieving. You're grieving what you thought you had before, you're grieving what you thought your future held. I know that grief so well but I haven't cried since I moved all of my belongings out of the house.

I received the affidavit on Friday that I need to swear under oath stating that my marriage is over and I didn't cry, in fact I felt quite dispassionate so that's progress.

But strangely today, when I think about him, I love my H. It waxes and wanes from one day to the next but the love hasn't yet gone. It will but I could not write, just now, that I don't love him; some days I can but not today. Isn't it strange, this process we're going through? I don't like him and I don't respect him so I envy you writing that you don't love ABCKF.

Now for the good stuff: go and book your tickets to Singapore so you have something to look forward to.

Sleep tight and try have a full night's sleep and sweet dreams.

xx

wiseoldowl · 12/09/2011 19:22

Do they sell bottled B&A? We could all do with a dose every so often!!
It's understandable to feel sad DrFay - its a v long time that you've been together and if you didnt mourn to be honest there would be something wrong with you. But you are getting there and you are definitely moving in the right direction.

catsrus · 13/09/2011 00:15

do you know, I still love my exH - but absolutely not 'in love' with him.

I joked with a friend recently that it feels a bit like my first DC left home Wink I don't want anything bad to happen to him - but I'm really happy I'm not responsible for him any more! I can think of lots of positive things about him and he was not a total bastard during the divorce - although I do think I would have ended up more financially secure if we had not gone the collaborative route
Biscuit. I chose collaboration because it was better for me emotionally, not financially. I get to keep important [to me] relationships by not setting the dogs on him. e.g my ex MIL is still one of my closest friends. Your situation might be different.

DrFay if you can acknowledge the love you had for the person he was and feel nothing now then I think you are almost there! the opposite of love is indifference not hatred - hatred is a passion that locks you in - indifference is - IMHO - healthy! Don't let him imprison you in hatred, don't let others push you into that. keep alert though - he is not your friend anymore. Think in terms of letting a wild animal free - don't expect that it won't bite, even if you bottle fed the ungrateful little *

carantala · 13/09/2011 03:16

Hi, DrFay Just stay strong! Saw your comment on another thread. Best wishes!

drfayray · 13/09/2011 13:13

Thanks lovelies...thanks for posting.

I have to admit that today was a bit of a struggle. I am tired. I have not had a break since it all began. He has had numerous breaks including an overseas break. DD told me that he had shown her pix of his new apartment on the GC and it is right on the beach: very pretty with pods of whales going past. No comment.

No, I can say hand on heart, I do not love him anymore. How can I love someone who has done this? The man I used to love would NEVER ever do this. He once said I meant the world to him. Who is this doppelganger? I cannot love this stranger.

I am overwhelmed with everything but still doing the best I can. Work is hard. I mean, I love it, but there are pressures. I have to perform. I went to a talk this morning at the other campus on the new research codes. It made me realise that I really have to lift my game and work harder. But I am so tired.

I also am seriously considering doing another Master's next year. Part time of course but it would certainly help me in this job. It would make me much more employable too. I am going to the postgraduate information evening in 2 weeks' time to find out more about it.

I want to ensure that I will be able to look after myself and the DC and I need to make sure that I earn enough. I am very worried about money.

I seem to have some sort of chest infection atm too...linked to stress I am sure. I wish it would clear up.

DS is going on his ski trip on Sunday. I will miss his beautiful face and sunny disposition so much. But darling DD will be around. She wants to take me out on the 20th (anniversary that isn't) to our local Chinese restaurant which is very nice. I think I will take her up on that. Then I will have a few days on my own with no children. I am going to take advantage of that and just work really hard.

This is a hard time..waiting for things to be set into motion heading towards an end.

I think by next march, the settlement should have been done and the DC and I will be in a new home with the sophie-dog. Hopefully I will be able to read all this and see how far I have come.

Thanks for letting me ramble on. It helps.

B&A, your essence should be bottled. You are a real darling.

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BeforeAndAfter · 13/09/2011 14:21

Aw schucks. Blush Blush

BeforeAndAfter · 14/09/2011 23:40

Hi DrFay

How goes the battle today?

Something that struck me today is how hard you're working: at work, at home, when the DCs go away. Don't forget that just chilling out can be really good, if you can face that. I know that you want to be uber-busy to distract yourself from the shitty bits. I'm doing that too but I'm uber-busy having fun! What with your chest infection, I don't want you burning yourself out. Look after Number 1, your DCs need that and so do you.

Cats I'm with you on hatred. It's a waste of energy. I had to hate for a while (only OW) but I'm past that plus I think hatred causes wrinkles. They're so not worth it.

xx

drfayray · 15/09/2011 12:27

You are right dear B&A. I am working very hard. I am very very tired actually. Have had a couple of wobbles at home. It is like things are starting to hit me now. fuck.

Work is stressful. Today I met the company who is funding the project. THe meeting went well. I was told I had done a lot in the month I have been there and that things are going well. My boss was very pleased and said that I had done well. BUT I feel like I have not really done much. I do not know why. I have unrealistic expectations of myself. That is what the psych said too. Grin I am my own worst enemy.

I was dithering about whether to get the sol's advice about the interim maintenance (fecker's description) that ABCKF is giving me. I know I know...I am being stupid and sentimental. Then I was checking my bank balance and still have access to the equity account (this is the one that the mortgage is with and fecker's pay goes into) and saw that on Monday he has spent 125 bucks at a supermarket in the suburb where the Kayaking Kunt lives. That made me think...he is not thinking of my best interests..(I know I know, but please bear with me..it is hard to get out of the habit of 25 years of a person caring for you) nor the children's. So I am sending the sol the document and asking for her advice. I am also going to put another 2000 dollars as a retainer for the sol. That way the money is there already. Top of my to do list tomorrow morning.

I am focussing on getting through the next few months with work and sorting out the house. Then Christmas with mum and dad and the DC. Being looked after and cared for.

And hopefully, in the new year...new home and new beginnings.

I think I might just become celibate though. Have asked my friends to call me Stephen.

Wink
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